Sat Oct 6, 2012, 12:41 AM
Purveyor (13,222 posts)
Traders See Signs Of Squeeze Behind L.A. Gasoline Spike
Source: Reuters
By Erwin Seba HOUSTON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - The unprecedented surge in California's wholesale gasoline market this week has many hallmarks of a classic short squeeze, traders said on Friday, evoking a once common ploy in unregulated oil markets. With the isolated West Coast gasoline market already reduced by refinery outages and a pipeline closure that had diminished stockpiles to near their lowest in over two decades, the pump was already primed for a rise in prices, especially as refiners prepare to switch to winter fuel production. But industry sources who operate in the close-knit, fiercely competitive market say fundamental factors alone cannot explain the 97-cent surge in the premium for prompt-delivery CARBOB gasoline this week. Even in the notoriously volatile California market the spike was unprecedented, pushing retail prices to near a record high of nearly $5 a gallon. Multiple trade sources say West Coast refiner Tesoro was caught short, forcing it to scramble to buy additional fuel from other companies in order to meet its commitments. Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/06/gasoline-squeeze-idUSL1E8L5HZA20121006?type=marketsNews
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| Purveyor | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| RobertEarl | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| olddad56 | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| SoapBox | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| dmr | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| IthinkThereforeIAM | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| msongs | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| Spitfire of ATJ | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| lexw | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| allrevvedup | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| uwep | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| PSPS | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| KamaAina | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| SILVER__FOX52 | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| Unknown Beatle | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| villager | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| tdog8 | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| KamaAina | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| coalition_unwilling | Oct 2012 | #18 | |
| shanti | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| KamaAina | Oct 2012 | #20 | |
| shanti | Oct 2012 | #21 | |
| Bandit | Oct 2012 | #22 | |
| librechik | Oct 2012 | #23 |
Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 12:59 AM
RobertEarl (2,928 posts)
1. To everybody in California: Take a day off
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If every car driver there took one day off from driving sometime this week, the supply will increase by 15% mol. Two days and its up to 30%.
Problem solved. |
Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 03:58 PM
olddad56 (2,838 posts)
13. That is wonderful advice. I'd also like to see everyone take a month off of just one brand.
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say maybe Chevron
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Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 01:13 AM
SoapBox (5,828 posts)
2. Enron again
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Crooks & Criminals at work.
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Response to SoapBox (Reply #2)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 04:49 AM
dmr (25,776 posts)
6. I was thinking the same thing.
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Response to SoapBox (Reply #2)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 07:48 AM
IthinkThereforeIAM (1,563 posts)
7. Kick
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...me, too. |
Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 01:14 AM
msongs (30,545 posts)
3. because of speculators/criminals/thieves who are allowed by congress nt
Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 02:18 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (7,410 posts)
4. This is what happens when everyone talks about the rich Liberals here....
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....the guy who works at the car wash gets it in the neck.
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Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 02:20 AM
lexw (804 posts)
5. something's "Koch"ing...one part of a series of an October surprise.
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Romney was out here (in California) a week or so b4 the debates.
The Koch brothers are disgusting people, and they do not want to lose this election. ...but I think they will. |
Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 07:58 AM
allrevvedup (408 posts)
8. Payback for this I suspect...
21:34:16: Obama: The oil industry gets $4 billion a year in corporate welfare. Basically, they get deductions that those small businesses that Governor Romney refers to, they don't get. Oil companies count on their benefits, too! |
Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
uwep (38 posts)
9. No new refineries built since 1976
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and they will only close refineries. I believe there was a refinery closed just recently in Northern California. Shouldn't the oil companies have to bear the cost of old equipment and pipes breaking down. Take it out of their ungodly profits or quit the corporate welfare.
As cars get more efficient these thugs will close refineries citing lack of demand. |
Response to uwep (Reply #9)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 12:47 PM
PSPS (4,198 posts)
11. Can't blame it on refineries or shortages. Gasoline is now the country's biggest export.
Response to uwep (Reply #9)
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:43 PM
KamaAina (45,288 posts)
16. That's a Big Oil talking point
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True, no new refineries have been built from scratch, but existing ones have been expanded many times over.
The Chevron refinery in Richmond (north of Oakland) closed temporarily due to a fire -- the first of several bizarre malfunctions at CA refineries. (Two power outages? Srsly?) Then there was the one that closed for maintenance -- right around the time of the autumn switchover... |
Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 10:00 AM
SILVER__FOX52 (535 posts)
10. The Koch...............
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Suckers are at it, again.
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Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 03:51 PM
Unknown Beatle (374 posts)
12. Dickhead Cheney's
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Energy Task Force strikes again.
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Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 12:47 AM
villager (18,987 posts)
14. Glad to see our elected Democratic officials right on that, too...!
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Oh, wait...
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Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 02:59 AM
tdog8 (28 posts)
15. Refinery outages, pipeline closures, whatever.
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Oil companies are said to be making record profits.
I think the CEOs felt the need for new vacation homes and we're paying for them. We should definitely take a day off driving if possible. Using bicycles for short trips would be good for the air quality too. |
Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:45 PM
KamaAina (45,288 posts)
17. This would be a good time for people to try out L.A.'s new, expanded transit system
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the new Gold Line goes out to Pasadena and East L.A., while Metrolink commuter rail serves nearly all of SoCal, even over the Grapevine.
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Response to KamaAina (Reply #17)
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:52 PM
coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)
18. My wife and I went out last night to the Westside Pavillion mall in Westwood to
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Last edited Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:53 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) see a movie ("The Master," a new American tour de force). While driving there, we noticed that gas prices were approx. $4.75/gallon for lowest-octane. And that there seemed far fewer land yachts (like Escalades and Navigators) out on the streets.
Very strange. Mall was semi-deserted at 5:30 p.m. FWIW, I drive a Nissan Sentra that gets 35 mpg, so only have to fill up once or twice a month. Last time I filled up it was at about $3.50/gallon! I'm guessing some of these land yachts now cost more than $100 per fill up. |
Response to KamaAina (Reply #17)
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 01:44 AM
shanti (16,660 posts)
19. wait, what?
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metrolink goes over the grapevine? is that new?
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Response to shanti (Reply #19)
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:26 PM
KamaAina (45,288 posts)
20. I don't think it goes over the actual Grapevine
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but it does go out to Lancaster and Palmdale.
http://www.metrolinktrains.com/schedules/line/name/Antelope%20Valley/service_id/1142.html |
Response to KamaAina (Reply #20)
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:51 PM
shanti (16,660 posts)
21. thanks for the info
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i didn't know the details.
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Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 01:53 PM
Bandit (19,782 posts)
22. And yet the USA is EXPORTING 50% MORE oil than four years ago...
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Response to Purveyor (Original post)
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 05:39 PM
librechik (25,032 posts)
23. rampant collusion and price fixing--they already know they can do it in California
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we'll all get it eventually. They arrange to take refineries "temporarily" offline. I used to work for a gas company, this is how they work it.
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