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Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:43 PM

Romney “Cheat Sheet” Was A Handkerchief, Campaign Says

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Source: Buzzfeed

ABINGTON, Va. — Mitt Romney's campaign is shooting down a simmering online theory the Republican nominee used a "cheat sheet" in Wednesday night's debate against President Barack Obama.

The theory — extensively documented by the liberal blog Daily Kos and picked up on the Daily Beast and elsewhere — focuses on a brief moment as Romney took the stage, pulled something out of his pocket, and put it on the podium.

But according to a Romney aide the object was simply a handkerchief, not an illicit list of zingers.

"It's a handkerchief" the aide said simply in response to the post.







Read more: http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-cheat-sheet-was-a-handkerchief-campaign



it does seem like, in this case, we might be dealing with a handkerchief?? unless more evidence pops up otherwise... like he had notes in the handkerchief (I would not put it past Romney at all, he has been caught cheating in the past, see below), they've got a pretty good explanation....

However!!!!!! Romney did cheat in 2008... and it is on tape... in this 2008 case, I am convinced that something was up:

article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-thomson/how-to-cheat-in-a-preside_b_1917962.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

Keith Thomson: How to Cheat in a Presidential Debate

During MSNBC's January 24, 2008 Republican presidential debate in Boca Raton, Florida, moderator Tim Russert asked Mitt Romney, "Will you do for Social Security what Ronald Reagan did in 1983"

A disembodied whisper of "He raised taxes" followed.

Romney appeared to take note before answering Russert, "I'm not going to raise taxes"



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trailmonkee Oct 2012 OP
tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #1
dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #7
tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #13
Indpndnt Oct 2012 #18
MgtPA Oct 2012 #21
The Magistrate Oct 2012 #2
joycejnr Oct 2012 #3
Viva_Daddy Oct 2012 #4
itsrobert Oct 2012 #5
MgtPA Oct 2012 #6
cr8tvlde Oct 2012 #9
LibDemAlways Oct 2012 #22
Proud Public Servant Oct 2012 #8
itsrobert Oct 2012 #11
kiranon Oct 2012 #10
hexola Oct 2012 #12
oldtime dfl_er Oct 2012 #14
notadmblnd Oct 2012 #45
patrice Oct 2012 #15
samgreatuncle Oct 2012 #16
Zoeisright Oct 2012 #17
2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #19
BadgerKid Oct 2012 #20
hexola Oct 2012 #23
ncsoapmaker Oct 2012 #24
Kingofalldems Oct 2012 #25
hexola Oct 2012 #26
patrice Oct 2012 #31
patrice Oct 2012 #27
hexola Oct 2012 #28
Proud Public Servant Oct 2012 #29
itsrobert Oct 2012 #38
Hosnon Oct 2012 #42
Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #30
patrice Oct 2012 #32
byeya Oct 2012 #33
CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #41
sad sally Oct 2012 #44
Coyotl Oct 2012 #34
arcane1 Oct 2012 #35
Tx4obama Oct 2012 #36
CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #47
retread Oct 2012 #37
benld74 Oct 2012 #39
truthisfreedom Oct 2012 #40
Brickbat Oct 2012 #43
Turborama Oct 2012 #46

Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:46 PM

1. The fact they thought it was a big enough issue to address is more curious than anything else

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:54 PM

7. Video caught him gathering the papers from the podium after the debate

and putting them in his jacket pocket, then taking them out and handing them to his son.
Several threads on DU about that which include the video of him doing it.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:04 PM

13. I'm well aware of it, I've commented in several of those threads

I am surprised that the campaign addressed this. If it was really just a handkerchief, they wouldn't even see it as an issue. They're kind of admitting it is a fishy issue by even making a statement about it.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:07 PM

18. Very telling, isn't it?

They would've just laughed and walked off if there was no 'there' there.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:09 PM

21. Not only that they responded, but how quickly they did so.

They want this to go away

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:47 PM

2. Liar Says 'I Didn't Cheat': Gosh, Sir, That Sure Settles Things....

"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:47 PM

3. Crib notes on a handkerchief, a transmitter taped to Bush's back...

...and people still think businessmen are brainy? Mitt and Dubya are those guys in middle school that figured out how to crib the notes to tests and sold them to other losers.

God, I hate Conservatives!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:49 PM

4. I'm looking forward to all the #RomneyCheatSheet posts on Twitter.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:49 PM

5. That's bullshit

n/t

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:51 PM

6. what about the last few minutes of the cspan video, where he CLEARLY retrieves papers

tries to put them in his coat pocket (they don't fit), then hands them off to his son. That's no hanky.

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Response to MgtPA (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:58 PM

9. Absolutely...my thoughts exactly. You don't hand a hanky to your son...even Mitt.

And a hanky doesn't stack like paper, doesn't come out of your pants front pocket, and then disappear at the end. It was folded notes...plain and simple. Yea, and then he ran back to retrieve them. Why hand them to his son? Didn't want to get caught with the goods?

Those poor kids. How many times in their lives did he pull shit like this.

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Response to MgtPA (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:10 PM

22. What happened to the hanky he wiped his nose with? Is there any video of him

putting it back in his pants pocket or picking it up from the podium to use it? It is very clear that when he went back to the podium after the debate he was retrieving paper he didn't want anyone else to see. He handed it to his son who quickly put it away in his coat pocket. It could have been notes he scribbled during the debate. But if so, where was the hanky? Surely he didn't hand a used hanky to his son.

On edit: Right at the start of the debate - while he is standing at the podium - the camera catches what sure likes like him putting his hand back into his pants pocket. Could he be putting the hanky back after removing his notes which remain on the podium? I can't see fastidious Mitt leaving a hanky he's going to wipe his nose with on a potentially germy podium for any length of time.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:55 PM

8. I'm one of the only men I know

who still carries a handkerchief. And, much as I hate to say it, that's what it looks like in the video. The key moment is at the 0:50-1:02 mark, when he tosses it downin slo-mo; it looks far more like folded cloth than a piece of paper.

Still, I won't be sad to be proven wrong.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:59 PM

11. If it is, what better way to hide crib notes

Republicans are masters at cheating.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:58 PM

10. He had someone feeding him information? Are their any other instances of a ghost voice?

Interesting if true.

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Response to kiranon (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:04 PM

12. Thats 2008

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:04 PM

14. better proof

would be if someone could find him picking the hankie up from the podium during the debate. Honestly, I don't know anyone who would take a hanky out of their pocket and put it on the podium BEFORE the debate starts. Would it not be normal just to keep it in your pocket and retrieve as necessary from there?

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Response to oldtime dfl_er (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 06:02 PM

45. I think at some point (after he wiped his lip), he put his hanky in his breast pocket.

I think that might be why when he picked his paper up from the podium after the debate, he tried to slip them in his breast pocket and they wouldn't fit. He tried putting them in both sides of his jacket though. I don't recall any of my husbands suits having two breast pockets and they were always on the left side. Do mens suits come with more than one breast pocket or was that just Myth's nerves?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:04 PM

15. Looks kind of soft to me when he places it on the podium. I think it's a handkerchief. nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:06 PM

17. Handkerchiefs don't bounce.

Stiff pieces of paper do.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:07 PM

19. but who folded that hankie back up?

it shows in the tape that when he puts it on the podium that he unfolded it. How could it be folded when he used it?

I suggest the hankie was used to hide the cheat sheet.

Plus do they explain what happened at the end?

Do they explain that the paper on his podium has folds in it? And writing?

We need more info Mitt.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:08 PM

20. Does this theory sound "gossipy" to anyone else?

Why couldn't there be a handkerchief there to absorb hand sweat?

No offense. It's election season, and I have to watch how I come across to right-leaning people in my life.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:10 PM

23. Everybody take 2 sheets of printer paper and fold it in half 3 times. Now look at the video.

In the little animation in the OP - where he wipes his lip...

Compare that to the size of your folded printer paper...

That may have been a hankie - but it also may have contained some notes.

Using the hankie on camera was just part of the ruse...

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:11 PM

24. But....

If you watch just after that it looks like he is unfolding something...then puts something in his right hand pocket. Its hard to see though because it is all blocked by the podium. Ill agree it does look like a hankie, and it does not change the outcome of the debate, it would however explain how he came up with some many statistics and numbers so quickly.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:16 PM

25. That's an awful thick hanky there Mitt

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:19 PM

26. Looks like a lot less hanky there once he finally uses it...

Contained his notes - probably 2 pages.

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Response to hexola (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:34 PM

31. Well, whoever dresses him probably puts it in the pants pocket folded only into 1/4s so it doesn't

make a lump in his pants leg as he is wearing them and then he might fold it again to make it a more useful size when he needs it.

I'm trying to decide from the very last few fractions of a second of the video if it looks as though he is moving the "handkerchief" or opening it from the lower-right corner.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:22 PM

27. k, well, look at the very last few frames of the video & tell me if he is unfolding the

"handkerchief" (and why would he do that?) or just moving it off of the (legal) note-paper.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:27 PM

28. Why would you put your hanky on the podium in the first place?

It would be easy enough to keep folded in your front pants pocket it and grab as needed.

On the lectern should be a no-no.

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Response to hexola (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:31 PM

29. As a public speaker, I've done it

Especially under hot lights. Far easier to use it quickly that way than to reach into your pocket, especially if you've got other things in your pocket as well.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Reply #29)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:15 PM

38. Don't you consider other people using the podium?

That's disgusting. I hope you disinfect after doing that. People put their hands all over the podium.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #38)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:30 PM

42. Is this post sarcasm?

I can't tell...

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Response to hexola (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:32 PM

30. Besides, fastidious guys like Romney don't put their hankies where common germs might get on.

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Response to hexola (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:39 PM

32. That is the best place for a handkerchief, so you don't have to break your train of thought

while speaking or interrupt how you look to others, like you would have to if you had to reach into your pocket to get it, so, knowing you're going to need it, you place it on the podium.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:46 PM

33. "At least make'em deny it" - Their denial shows the allegations are hitting home

 

and that's important at this stage of the race.

Surely the Romney didn't envision today as a denial of cheating at the debate.

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Response to byeya (Reply #33)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:15 PM

41. Ann Romney's reaction is interesting...

Did anyone notice that after the debate, when Mitt walks over to the podium--he retrieves the papers and then joins his family. Watch Ann. You see her notice what Romney has in his hand. She does a double take! Then, it's unmistakable...her demeanor changes and she seems to move into action. Meanwhile, Mitt is trying to put that papers in his pocket, but he can't--and Jim Lehrer is right there! Mitt tried to keep himself in front of Lehrer, almost using Lehrer as a shield from anyone seeing what he's doing!

Ann then says something to Mitt--it's not clear, but it sounds like, "We need to get you off this stage!" It seems as though she's panicked. Then, she says something to one of her sons, and her facial expression looks panicked and strained.

I think she saw what Mitt had.

Can't the audio be enhances, so we can hear more clearly what Ann Romney is saying???

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #41)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:43 PM

44. And then he hands the "used hanky" to son Tagg to put in his (Tagg's) pocket- yeah, sure...

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:54 PM

34. Good, so now the focus can now move back to ... drum roll .. .. .. .... .. Killing Big Bird

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:01 PM

35. K&R for later so I can hear the disembodied voice :)

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:13 PM

36. I think the cheat sheet was folded inside of the hanky and then ...


as you see in the video he unfolded what he tossed onto the podium.

Later towards the end of the debate he wiped his upper lip with the hanky as a cover so he would have an excuse ready in case anyone had seem him tossing the cheat sheet/hanky onto the podium.

Who on earth goes onto a national debate stage, shakes the hand of the President of the United States and then immediately the first thing he think of is tosses his hanky onto the podium? It makes NO sense that anyone would do that unless it was the cheat sheet that he had in the forefront of him mind.



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #36)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 06:24 PM

47. The thing is....we need proof

and I think we can get proof.

Someone has to have access to the following things:

1.) The raw footage that was rolling the entire debate--of behind Romney. This footage needs to be zoomed in, and inspected for the following items:
---What was on the hanky/sheet? Can you see words--written or typed?
---If he's saying it was a hanky (is there a point where we can see a hanky being removed from under the notes, then cast aside on the podium? That would be key! Then, you could demonstrate that yes, a hanky was on the podium, but you see him remove the hanky and underneath is the notes. If this is shown---voila!
--Also, prior to Mittens taking notes--can you see him reading off of a sheet?
--Do we ever see him unfolding the sheet?

If these things happened, they are visible on that video footage--from the vantagepoint of behind Romney--which was rolling the entire time.

2.) Enhanced sound of the post-debate happenings. After the debate, Romney walks over to join his family and Obama. Then he returns to the podium, retrieves the ????--then walks back to his family. A TON of things happen here--simultaneously:
---Ann sees what is in Mitt's hand. She does a double take. Then, you can see her look panicked. She says something to Mitt and it sounds like, "We need to get you off this stage NOW!". We need sound enhancement to know what she is saying.
--Ann also says something else to one of her sons. I can't make it out, but it sounds like...we need to go now...or something. She sounds even more panicked now.

Unless we have these things---we have nothing but accusations. Accusations can actually be worse than having nothing--because they can be turned against us as being sore losers and desperate. Or worse.

Efforts should be underway to make these things happen. I don't know how...but that's really where this stands.

What we think we see is meaningless unless there is more proof.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:12 PM

37. Not a cheat sheet. It's his spare set of magic underwear.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:38 PM

39. SNOT EITHER!!!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:41 PM

40. Why did the podiums have walls on them? Why weren't they transparent?

Who specified wood podiums with walls?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:38 PM

43. How convenient that he wiped his nose so ostentatiously.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 06:24 PM

46. How come DK gets the credit, wasn't it broken 1st here on DU? n/t

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