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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:08 AM

Star Member struggle4progress (71,487 posts)

Assange says his health is deteriorating

Source: Big Pond News

Monday, October 01, 2012 » 10:07am

... 'I raised my eldest son as a single father for more than 14 years in Australia,' he said.

'I was a busy father but not an absent one. I have not seen any of my children since before I was under house arrest.' ...

'It does not do for a gentleman to complain,' Mr Assange said simply in response to the <Swedish> allegations ...

'I hope it's just physical. I am taking steps to try to stop it, but I have a problem with a lung which is causing a racking cough' ...



Read more: http://bigpondnews.com/articles/World/2012/10/01/Assange_says_his_health_is_deteriorating_800888.html


'I raised my eldest son as a single father for more than 14 years in Australia ... I have not seen any of my children since before I was under house arrest'
Assange started living with his girlfriend in 1989 and they had a son named Daniel, After Assange's home was raided when he was charged with hacking in 1991 she moved out taking Daniel with her. A custody battled ensued and was not solved until 1999 ... Although not in contact with his father for a number of years he has called for fair and apolitical treatment of him ...
Julian Assange's Son on his Dad.
Melbourne : Australia | Dec 09, 2010 at 5:51 PM PST
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7575701-julian-assanges-son-on-his-dad

... as Daniel grew older and Assange became more pre-occupied with his own pursuits, the relationship between father and son became more and more strained. Shortly after asking his son to join WikiLeaks in 2007, Assange left Australia permanently. Since then, the two have had no contact. Contrary to other reports, however, Daniel insists that there was no specific incident that led to the parting of ways, and holds no hatred towards his father now ...
Daniel Assange: I never thought WikiLeaks would succeed
by Crikey intern Nick Johns-Wickberg | Sep 17, 2010 1:17PM
http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/09/17/daniel-assange-i-never-thought-wikileaks-would-succeed/

... He describes himself as "estranged" from his dad, who waged a nasty custody battle with the boy's mother in the early 1990s ...
My Wiki dad's just awful with the ladies
Leaker's son speaks out on sex case
By JEANE MacINTOSH and ADA CALHOUN
Last Updated: 8:43 AM, August 27, 2010
Posted: 4:37 AM, August 27, 2010
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/my_wiki_dad_just_awful_with_the_lPuc6BTUKeNNMwZLeUTFJK



'It does not do for a gentleman to complain'
... He said he believed his accusers became angry when the younger woman, Miss W, contacted Miss A and they realised he had been to bed with both of them in swift succession. They went to the police station together, apparently to seek advice. A policewoman who heard their stories is said to have suggested they could pursue criminal charges ... Mr Assange regards himself as a victim of radicalism. "Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism," he said. "I fell into a hornets' nest of revolutionary feminism" ...
WikiLeaks founder baffled by sex assault claims
by: Marie Colvin
From: The Sunday Times
December 27, 2010 12:00AM
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/wikileaks-founder-baffled-by-sex-assault-claims/story-fn775xjq-1225976459286

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange today suggested a woman only accused him of rape because he did not call her again after they had sex. In a book published today, he admitted he was a "chauvinist pig" but dismissed the woman's allegations, saying: "It has already turned out to be the most expensive phone call I didn't make" ...
Woman accused me of rape because I didn't phone her, says Assange
22 September 2011
Tom Harper
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/woman-accused-me-of-rape-because-i-didnt-phone-her-says-assange-6446208.html





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Reply Assange says his health is deteriorating (Original post)
 struggle4progress Oct 2012 OP
LineReply Boo hoo hoo
 Zorro Oct 2012 #1
LineReply Thank you for that large helping of RW new sites
 cprise Oct 2012 #2
LineReply Thank you, struggle4progress, for keeping us all informed of all the latest about
 JDPriestly Oct 2012 #3
LineLineReply *
 ronnie624 Oct 2012 #4
LineLineReply Couldn't have said it better myself.
 navarth Oct 2012 #13
LineLineReply He did some great things and he did some terrible things.
 pnwmom Oct 2012 #53
LineLineLineReply I'd like to see some evidence of people dying as a result of the releases.
 ronnie624 Oct 2012 #59
LineLineLineNew Reply As you know, we have different opinions on Assange.
 JDPriestly Oct 2012 #70
LineReply probably eating crap there.
 hrmjustin Oct 2012 #5
LineReply Absolutely fascinating.
 ronnie624 Oct 2012 #6
LineLineReply Yes, I posted that at the time, when Daniel was being misrepresented.
 Hissyspit Oct 2012 #19
LineLineLineReply One of the many examples
 ronnie624 Oct 2012 #21
LineReply I like this "transparency". I'm sure Assange would as well. Afterall, it's his raison d'etre.
 Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #7
LineLineReply A lot of distortion. n/t
 ronnie624 Oct 2012 #8
LineReply While the Assange haters may be hoping...
 AntiFascist Oct 2012 #9
LineLineReply I suspect this will make President Obama very happy
 hack89 Oct 2012 #11
LineLineLineReply I don't think Obama would be worried about that at all.
 joshcryer Oct 2012 #12
LineLineLineLineReply He certainly does not want to deal with it before the election.
 hack89 Oct 2012 #14
LineLineLineLineLineReply Fair enough.
 joshcryer Oct 2012 #16
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply I don't think Assange is important when it comes to US domestic politics
 hack89 Oct 2012 #18
LineReply I hear Swedish health care is excellent. nt
 hack89 Oct 2012 #10
LineLineReply but not so good at gitmo. nt
 navarth Oct 2012 #15
LineLineLineReply He will never go there
 hack89 Oct 2012 #17
LineLineLineLineReply Gitmo, ADX Florence; what's the difference in the long run? n/t
 ronnie624 Oct 2012 #22
LineReply The eternal $truggle for the Progre$$ of 1% plutarch$ continue$. nt
 Zorra Oct 2012 #20
LineLineReply Assange has repeatedly described himself as a libertarian, and his crackpot theory of government
 struggle4progress Oct 2012 #24
LineLineLineReply your all out attempts
 azureblue Oct 2012 #26
LineLineLineLineReply Getting paid? Ask the people who put up bail, only to have Assange skip out on them.
 Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #29
LineLineLineLineReply Who do you imagine would actually pay me to post anything about JA on DU?
 struggle4progress Oct 2012 #38
LineLineLineLineReply Everyone who posts regularly on a political discussion site,
 ronnie624 Oct 2012 #58
LineLineLineReply The demonization of Assange accomplishes two things...
 AntiFascist Oct 2012 #33
LineLineLineLineReply Just what does Julian Assange want? (The Guardian 5 December 2010)
 struggle4progress Oct 2012 #45
LineLineLineLineLineReply Uhhhhhhhhh....
 AntiFascist Oct 2012 #47
LineReply Now look what he is reduced to in order to get attention
 treestar Oct 2012 #23
LineLineReply Because those who expose corruption in the highest places..
 LiberalLovinLug Oct 2012 #30
LineLineLineReply Nobody is on his ass
 treestar Oct 2012 #36
LineLineLineLineReply "he exposed very little that people didn't already suspect was true."
 Hissyspit Oct 2012 #52
LineReply This guy really can't stand being more than two days out of the news
 alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #25
LineLineReply Ding! Ding! Ding! Is he afraid that people will forget about him? Not sure about his physical....
 Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #28
LineLineLineReply Have we stormed the Ecuadorian embassy yet?
 treestar Oct 2012 #37
LineLineLineLineReply !!!
 Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #43
LineLineLineReply Maybe he's doing what he should be doing.
 Hissyspit Oct 2012 #51
LineLineLineLineReply He fears becoming irrelevent
 hack89 Oct 2012 #55
LineLineLineLineReply No, he isn't doing what he should be doing, had he done that he would be in sweden ages ago nt
 Bodhi BloodWave Oct 2012 #60
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Get new heroes!
 Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #62
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply It's not about hero worship for me. Although I understand how hero worship is important
 Hissyspit Oct 2012 #65
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply His imprisonment is self-imposed, is it not? He's free to leave that Embassy at anytime. No?
 Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #67
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply He will then get arrested and detained under harsh conditions....
 AntiFascist Oct 2012 #68
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Quite frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what happens to this asshole. Leave the embassy. Stay...
 Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #69
LineLineLineReply What are they all gonna do when no black helicopters show up? nt
 msanthrope Oct 2012 #54
LineLineLineLineReply It will be because he fought them off.
 randome Oct 2012 #56
LineReply He's got a personal trainer, but misses being able to dip his toes into the sea....
 msanthrope Oct 2012 #27
LineReply DU better do a better job
 LiberalLovinLug Oct 2012 #31
LineLineReply A-fucking-men to that!
 FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #49
LineReply Thanks all for taking a big bite out of the RW meme-apple
 wtmusic Oct 2012 #32
LineReply not LBN, if you want to read the actual article, go to the Daily Mail:
 reorg Oct 2012 #34
LineLineReply Very interesting comments...
 AntiFascist Oct 2012 #39
LineLineLineReply So, according to Assange, the U.K. can extradite him at any time.
 randome Oct 2012 #40
LineLineLineLineReply What can the UK do...
 AntiFascist Oct 2012 #41
LineLineLineLineLineReply The comments you posted say that if the Swedish case is dropped...
 randome Oct 2012 #42
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply they could do so now...
 AntiFascist Oct 2012 #44
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply how is that saying that tends to be so popular on DU
 Bodhi BloodWave Oct 2012 #46
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Suppose that the US suddenly drops their investigation...
 AntiFascist Oct 2012 #48
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply can understand why they were informal
 Bodhi BloodWave Oct 2012 #63
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply When the parties make certain statements publically...
 AntiFascist Oct 2012 #66
LineReply He can always go outside and get some fresh air
 snooper2 Oct 2012 #35
LineLineReply Yes, he can. There is a roof.
 Hissyspit Oct 2012 #50
LineLineLineNew Reply He can't actually access the roof without leaving the embassy
 struggle4progress Oct 2012 #64
LineReply Geez, what a crybaby
 cemaphonic Oct 2012 #57
LineNew Reply "My Wiki dad's just awful with the ladies"
 Union Scribe Oct 2012 #61

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:22 AM

Star Member Zorro (4,002 posts)

1. Boo hoo hoo

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:29 AM

cprise (5,685 posts)

2. Thank you for that large helping of RW new sites

Its fitting.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:33 AM

Star Member JDPriestly (37,760 posts)

3. Thank you, struggle4progress, for keeping us all informed of all the latest about

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that horrible monster, Julian Assange.

What would we do without you?

By publishing diplomatic and undoubtedly true reports, Assange informed us about the serious war crimes committed by members of the US government and military and the wrongs, greed and stupidity of despots around the world .

Lucky for us, we have struggle4progress to keep us informed of the infidelities, negligent parenting and sad stories of Julian Assange -- serious and unique crimes of the highest order. Way

Aren't we lucky?

Big thanks from all DUers to struggle4progress. Truly dedicated to justice as demonstrated by his/her devotion to informing us of that dangerous criminal, Julian Assange.

Thanks, struggle4progress. Keep us posted.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:41 AM

ronnie624 (3,692 posts)

4. *

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:33 AM

navarth (3,252 posts)

13. Couldn't have said it better myself.

One can almost see 'struggle4progress' rubbing hands together. The vendetta is working!

I never did get an answer from 'struggle4progress' regarding motivation for the vendetta.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 09:27 PM

pnwmom (43,171 posts)

53. He did some great things and he did some terrible things.

Releasing thousands of pages of unredacted files, putting the lives of innocent allies at risk, was one of the terrible things.

All he cares about is power and publicity -- not whom he helps and whom he hurts.

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Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:40 AM

ronnie624 (3,692 posts)

59. I'd like to see some evidence of people dying as a result of the releases.

I'll assume you won't need any evidence from me, when I say that all of the violence and hardship associated with unlawful invasions, (like murdering journalists) don't just put lives at risk, it actually causes the deaths of many many people.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 03:32 AM

Star Member JDPriestly (37,760 posts)

70. As you know, we have different opinions on Assange.

That's all they are, however. Neither you nor I really knows what he cares about.

And much of the information that Assange obtained was printed in newspapers including the Guardian and the New York Times. It was normal journalism to have a lot of information and to make an editorial decision about what should be published. I suggest that you review some of the videos made by a panel including Assange and people from the Guardian at the press club in London. They explain how they were vetting the information provided to them. They were using a process much like the one the New York Times used when it decided not to publish information about Bush such as that he was eavesdropping on Americans or that it looked like he was using a device to help him through the debates. That's what journalists do.

I know that you disagree with me. I will continue to state my point of view.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:42 AM

hrmjustin (9,179 posts)

5. probably eating crap there.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 01:02 AM

ronnie624 (3,692 posts)

6. Absolutely fascinating.

Last edited Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:20 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Having grown up in the midst of Assange’s mysterious world, Daniel believes that his father’s best quality as a parent was this desire to share knowledge and discuss it intelligently with his son.

“The one thing I found that I appreciated most was that he wouldn’t treat me like a child when it came to intellectual concepts: he would speak to me as though he were really trying to get me to grasp the fullness of an idea,” Daniel says. “I think that really helped me a lot in realising the nature of reality.”

*******

Daniel believes that previous reports of him being “estranged” from his father have sensationalised the issue, and have also misrepresented him in other ways. The most blatant of these was an August 27 article by the New York Post, entitled “My Wiki dad’s just awful with the ladies”.

*******

“Somehow from this they gathered that I was making some comment on his capacity to interact with women over the entirety of his life, which I think was a bit of a ridiculous jump,” Daniel says.

The New York Post did not interview Daniel or have his consent to use the comment, and mistakenly reported his age as 21, despite the fact that his Facebook profile clearly shows that he is only 20.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/09/17/daniel-assange-i-never-thought-wikileaks-would-succeed/

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:07 AM

Star Member Hissyspit (40,085 posts)

19. Yes, I posted that at the time, when Daniel was being misrepresented.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:27 AM

ronnie624 (3,692 posts)

21. One of the many examples

of how info posted by s4p contradicts the overall theme of his agenda. I guess he's confident a lot of DUers aren't reading the material.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:03 AM

Tarheel_Dem (16,666 posts)

7. I like this "transparency". I'm sure Assange would as well. Afterall, it's his raison d'etre.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:19 AM

ronnie624 (3,692 posts)

8. A lot of distortion. n/t

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:14 AM

Star Member AntiFascist (10,799 posts)

9. While the Assange haters may be hoping...

that Ecuador is about to give up on Assange, Ecuador tells a different story:

http://gantdaily.com/2012/09/28/ecuador-ready-to-grant-10-year-shelter-to-assange-in-embassy-in-london/

New York, United States (4E) – Ecuador on Thursday said that it is ready to give shelter to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange inside its embassy in London for many years if required, Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:14 AM

hack89 (21,287 posts)

11. I suspect this will make President Obama very happy

neutralizes Assange while ensuring Obama doesn't have to worry about a potentially explosive political matter.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:30 AM

joshcryer (39,752 posts)

12. I don't think Obama would be worried about that at all.

I think ultimately Obama would like to see justice in this case. If anything I think he might be worried that the longer Assange sits around avoiding the allegations the more the DOJ can build a case against him. In which case he'd have to make some phone calls to end it rather quickly (if anyone things that Ecuador doesn't have it's price, they are idiots).

If the US wanted Assange we'd have him. Full stop. Do not pass go. Do not collect $100. He's just avoiding the allegations, and has spent 2 years doing so.

Assange would do himself a favor and let the proceedings take place and disappear. He's not safe where he's at. Ecuador is not his friend.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:33 AM

hack89 (21,287 posts)

14. He certainly does not want to deal with it before the election.

I hope Assange sits tight for another 6 weeks.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:36 AM

joshcryer (39,752 posts)

16. Fair enough.

I think, imho, you exaggerate his importance.

But I think you're right that nothing much will happen with regards to Assange until the elections. Which actually gives Assange a reason to walk out of the embassy with his hands held high, calling Obama's bluff, so to say. But I wouldn't see that happening in a million years. Doesn't fit Assange's character.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:40 AM

hack89 (21,287 posts)

18. I don't think Assange is important when it comes to US domestic politics

But he could be useful to the Republicans as a sharp stick to poke Obama in the eye. We need as few distractions as possible.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:12 AM

hack89 (21,287 posts)

10. I hear Swedish health care is excellent. nt

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:34 AM

navarth (3,252 posts)

15. but not so good at gitmo. nt

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:38 AM

hack89 (21,287 posts)

17. He will never go there

if we really wanted him in gitmo he would not have been living in a mansion in England for two years.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:36 AM

ronnie624 (3,692 posts)

22. Gitmo, ADX Florence; what's the difference in the long run? n/t

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:25 AM

Star Member Zorra (18,806 posts)

20. The eternal $truggle for the Progre$$ of 1% plutarch$ continue$. nt

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 01:48 PM

Star Member struggle4progress (71,487 posts)

24. Assange has repeatedly described himself as a libertarian, and his crackpot theory of government

is that government is always just a criminal conspiracy and that it cannot function if its secrets are exposed

Assange's "accomplishments" illustrate his crackpot views: his Climategate release helped scuttle the Copenhagen summit, and his Cablegate releases forced the Obama administration to waste valuable time putting out unnecessary diplomatic fires

Libertarians with such crackpot anti-government views are rather common among the very wealthy in the US: and the GOP has pandered to such views for decades now

It seems likely that libertarians with such crackpot anti-government views are also rather common among the wealthy in the UK, since Assange managed to convince folk to put up a quarter of a million pounds bail for him, which he then skipped out on, without any sign of shame

Here, by the way, is the 650 acre estate where Assange had to sleep every night under the terms of his bail:



And here is Mr Assange, being interviewed for a glowing review in Forbes:


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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:24 PM

azureblue (524 posts)

26. your all out attempts

to attack Assange personally only serve to underscore the fact that you do not disagree with what he accomplished with wikileaks. Your are pathetic. Your- "Attack the Messenger, yet ignore the message" efforts do nothing but expose your agenda of distraction.. How much are you getting paid to post crap like this?

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 03:26 PM

Tarheel_Dem (16,666 posts)

29. Getting paid? Ask the people who put up bail, only to have Assange skip out on them.

He's an individual of very little integrity, and his supporters seem to relish in the mudslinging until some of it hits Mr. Assange square in the face. Talk about "pathetic".

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:32 PM

Star Member struggle4progress (71,487 posts)

38. Who do you imagine would actually pay me to post anything about JA on DU?

The "get-paid-to-post" opportunities are quite limited: the field includes the various familiar spammers ("Join Pig Porn today and get a free bacon-flavored condom!") and various actual columnists who job descriptions might include blogging on their companies' websites

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Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:13 AM

ronnie624 (3,692 posts)

58. Everyone who posts regularly on a political discussion site,

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especially those who have posted tens or hundreds of thousands of times, have powerful motives for doing so. Getting paid, is by no means a requisite. Many take political discussion and the need to sway others to their position, very seriously, and will put a tremendous amount of effort into it.

In my opinion, like the current leadership in Venezuela, Assange and Wikileaks represent major departures from the status quo, that scare the hell out of a lot of people.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:47 PM

Star Member AntiFascist (10,799 posts)

33. The demonization of Assange accomplishes two things...


It distracts people from the government and corporate corruption exposed by Wikileaks.

Also, the constant barrage of negativity helps sway more moderate Democrats toward the thinking of the right-wing, where the greatest level of vitriol can be found against Assange (and any other whistleblowers).

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:54 PM

Star Member struggle4progress (71,487 posts)

45. Just what does Julian Assange want? (The Guardian 5 December 2010)

Theo Brainin
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 5 December 2010 05.00 EST

... Assange writes of turning counter-terrorism on its head, to target the "authoritarian" regimes that practise it. He views such regimes as vast conspiratorial networks, communicating secretly, safe in the ignorance of their citizens. The secrecy, he reasons, is there because these regimes would face opposition if they communicated openly – and if a regime wasn't authoritarian, why on earth would it need to keep secrets? ...

Just as counter-terrorism experts seek to disrupt communication between cells, Assange seeks to disrupt communication within his "authoritarian conspiracies". He does this by threatening them with constant leaks, forcing them into data silence, lest another Bradley Manning download the information ...

Assange's doctrine is woefully simplistic, and actually rather hypocritical. If secret communication is so inextricably linked to authoritarianism, then why is WikiLeaks itself so secretive? Why are its sources anonymous? Why is its leader so frequently in undisclosed locations? The answer is obvious: if WikiLeaks was open, it would face effective opposition. By Assange's own metric, WikiLeaks is as much an authoritarian conspiracy as the United States government is ...

Assange's philosophy of total transparency in the exercise of power is either incoherent or intellectually dishonest. He should present himself as what he is: an opponent of US foreign policy, who seeks to obstruct it, no matter the cost. He is no neutral truth-bearer – he just prefers one secret agenda, his own, to another.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-julian-assange

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 07:12 PM

Star Member AntiFascist (10,799 posts)

47. Uhhhhhhhhh....


Assange is merely providing a journalistic service, often for other journalistic media such as the New York Times. How can you possibly compare Wikileaks to a superpower??? Maybe if he were working in league with China or Muslim nations, but as far as I know he is not. Does he have that much leverage? I really don't think so.

Protecting the identities of your sources is not unusual, particularly when they face the same persecution as Manning or Assange by the actual superpower.

Assange's conspiratorial arguments may be excessively hyperbolic, as I mention in posts below I don't offer him hero worship so I'm not in a position to defend everything he says. To me it's simple: the US has engaged in illegal wars and collusion with banks and other big business. Wikileaks threatens expose, and has successfully exposed, some of that corruption. This upsets the extreme right wing and so they have called for his death.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:11 AM

treestar (40,494 posts)

23. Now look what he is reduced to in order to get attention

Any way he can blame the US for this? I'm sure it's all part of the conspiracy.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 03:26 PM

Star Member LiberalLovinLug (2,026 posts)

30. Because those who expose corruption in the highest places..

..are just in it for the attention (despite knowing that the full weight of the 1% worldwide will be on their ass)

...but the purveyors of corruption are simply doing their job.

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Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:20 PM

treestar (40,494 posts)

36. Nobody is on his ass

Nobody, other than some swedes. For some minor charges of which he's apparently not guilty.

And he exposed very little that people didn't already suspect was true.

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Response to treestar (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 09:26 PM

Star Member Hissyspit (40,085 posts)

52. "he exposed very little that people didn't already suspect was true."

THAT's your argument?

Yeesh.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 01:53 PM

Star Member alcibiades_mystery (28,419 posts)

25. This guy really can't stand being more than two days out of the news

Yeesh.

Somebody should track his press statements historically and compare them to mentions in major news sites. Hypothesis: he releases a statement if no mention of his name has occurred in 48 hours.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 03:22 PM

Tarheel_Dem (16,666 posts)

28. Ding! Ding! Ding! Is he afraid that people will forget about him? Not sure about his physical....

health, but his mental health took a hit quite some time ago. He's a fuckin' lunatic. He sees black helicopters everywhere.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:21 PM

treestar (40,494 posts)

37. Have we stormed the Ecuadorian embassy yet?

With the troops we are sending to Britain just for the purpose? Damn, we are dragging our feet on this! What kind of an evil empire does that? We suck at being an Evil Empire, I guess.

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Response to treestar (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:33 PM

Tarheel_Dem (16,666 posts)

43. !!!

WE MUST DO BETTER!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 09:26 PM

Star Member Hissyspit (40,085 posts)

51. Maybe he's doing what he should be doing.

And it doesn't have anything to do with whether he is a "lunatic" or not.

From his point of view, PTB want nothing better than for people to forget him.

Nothing but ad hominem here, as usual.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:25 PM

hack89 (21,287 posts)

55. He fears becoming irrelevent

because without Wikileaks he is nothing. And right now he is neutralized and impotent.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #51)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:37 AM

Bodhi BloodWave (2,058 posts)

60. No, he isn't doing what he should be doing, had he done that he would be in sweden ages ago nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #51)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:02 PM

Tarheel_Dem (16,666 posts)

62. Get new heroes!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #62)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 03:27 PM

Star Member Hissyspit (40,085 posts)

65. It's not about hero worship for me. Although I understand how hero worship is important

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For some people. In the meantime, yes, we can all take morbid pleasure in the virtual imprisonment of this man who has not been sentenced, found guilty or even charged.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #65)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:09 PM

Tarheel_Dem (16,666 posts)

67. His imprisonment is self-imposed, is it not? He's free to leave that Embassy at anytime. No?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #67)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:15 PM

Star Member AntiFascist (10,799 posts)

68. He will then get arrested and detained under harsh conditions....

despite the glowing reviews that Sweden gets from the anti-Assange crowd, their pre-trial detention conditions and policies have actually been criticized by anti-torture groups. The main concern is the he would likely be deprived of any outside communication. Sweden is also more secretive than the UK and there would likely be no press reports about his situation.

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #68)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:22 PM

Tarheel_Dem (16,666 posts)

69. Quite frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what happens to this asshole. Leave the embassy. Stay...

there, but quit scapegoating the US and honest to goodness whistleblowers, to save his own sick ass from justice. No skin off my nose. His supporters keep saying what Pres. Obama should do or say to reassure Mr. ASSange, but they never really say what Mr. ASSange should do or say.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:15 PM

Star Member msanthrope (16,505 posts)

54. What are they all gonna do when no black helicopters show up? nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #54)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:47 PM

Star Member randome (12,740 posts)

56. It will be because he fought them off.

Like a blend of Chuck Norris and Paul Ryan, Assange is unstoppable!

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:53 PM

Star Member msanthrope (16,505 posts)

27. He's got a personal trainer, but misses being able to dip his toes into the sea....

what a jackass he sounds like.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 03:28 PM

Star Member LiberalLovinLug (2,026 posts)

31. DU better do a better job

I've never seen so many anti- freedom of information trolls in one place.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:07 PM

FiveGoodMen (13,238 posts)

49. A-fucking-men to that!

You'd think you were in freeperville every time Assange's name comes up.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 03:42 PM

Star Member wtmusic (37,758 posts)

32. Thanks all for taking a big bite out of the RW meme-apple

Proof that unsubstantiated smears do the trick. Every time.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:03 PM

reorg (2,068 posts)

34. not LBN, if you want to read the actual article, go to the Daily Mail:

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210522/Its-like-living-space-station-Julian-Assange-speaks-living-room-embassy-refuge-mattress-floor-blue-lamp-mimic-daylight.html#ixzz27z9klnhu

From this feature article, the "news article" cited in the OP just lifts a few quotes and adds nothing that is not generelly known. Cheap, not really journalism.

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Response to reorg (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:13 PM

Star Member AntiFascist (10,799 posts)

39. Very interesting comments...

‘If the US drops its actions against us then the situation becomes easy. The risk period for my extradition to the US – though it could come at any moment – is immediately before or immediately after the trial of Bradley Manning, since the accusation is that I was in some kind of conspiracy with him to obtain information from the US government.’ Manning’s trial is set to begin in February.

...

‘The problem is that I have been trapped in the UK by the Swedish extradition claim for the past two years while the US has progressed its investigation into WikiLeaks and me to the point where it is ready to proceed with a prosecution, or almost ready.

‘Even if the Swedish case goes away, the US can just phone in an extradition order to the UK. If the US investigation goes away it will be fine, I can travel again.

‘If it proceeds to a prosecution then it is a chess game in terms of my movements. I would be well advised to be in a jurisdiction that is not in an alliance with the US, anywhere which allows me to keep on working.’

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:18 PM

Star Member randome (12,740 posts)

40. So, according to Assange, the U.K. can extradite him at any time.

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Kind of throws a blanket over his fear of Sweden, doesn't it? And if Assange is right -and who among us would doubt him? I mean, really.- then why did the U.K. not do anything for more than 2 years?

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Response to randome (Reply #40)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:24 PM

Star Member AntiFascist (10,799 posts)

41. What can the UK do...

except extradite him to Sweden? Did you read the comments carefully?

Only now has the US investigation progressed to the point where they may decide to prosecute. Until the US has decided to prosecute and then ask for his extradition to the US, the UK certainly can't decide on their own to send him there.

Also, if he is kept in detention in Sweden then he will likely be denied communication with anyone except his lawyer, and they could drag the sex case on for up to year before it actually goes to trial. I'm sure the US would prefer he be kept in detention in Sweden.

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:30 PM

Star Member randome (12,740 posts)

42. The comments you posted say that if the Swedish case is dropped...

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the U.S. can just phone in an extradition order to the U.K. If they can do that when there is no Swedish case, why can't they do so now?

And if the U.S. only NOW is ready to press charges, then he screwed himself by delaying for more than 2 years the case in Sweden.

If you want to think of him as a hero, go ahead and be my guest. But you have to admit he's not very smart.

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Response to randome (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:45 PM

Star Member AntiFascist (10,799 posts)

44. they could do so now...

nobody is arguing that they can't.

The point of the comments, if you read them carefully, is that he's not out of the woods until the US decides to drop its investigation, regardless of the case in Sweden. The only advantage (to the US) of the case in Sweden is that he would remain in Swedish detention for a while and probably out of communication with anyone.

I don't worship him as a hero, but I do see him as being persecuted, and I think he's doing the right thing. The Obama Admin claims that the probability of him being prosecuted by the US decreases over time. If you take this to be true, then it makes sense for Assange to wait it out as long as possible.

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:56 PM

Bodhi BloodWave (2,058 posts)

46. how is that saying that tends to be so popular on DU

Justice delayed is justice denied? Is it right to deny the Swedish women justice?

And if Assange had not been delaying things for 2 years then he would more then likely have been a free man again by now(if he was found guilty and put in jail in Sweden) meaning he could have traveled close to anywhere he wanted to avoid the US

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Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 07:19 PM

Star Member AntiFascist (10,799 posts)

48. Suppose that the US suddenly drops their investigation...

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then according to Assange's comments above he should have no problem facing justice in Sweden.

I don't know that Assange would be a free man now if he had cooperated with Sweden. The vitriol was extreme back in 2010. I believe I even read a report that the US was discussing the possibility of extradition to the US directly with Swedish officials...

Here you go, from a report dated December 2010:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/assange-could-face-espionage-trial-in-us-2154107.html

Informal discussions have already taken place between US and Swedish officials over the possibility of the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange being delivered into American custody, according to diplomatic sources.

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #48)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:36 PM

Bodhi BloodWave (2,058 posts)

63. can understand why they were informal

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A formal request would likely have been turned down as I'm sure they were told when asking since both Sweden and the EU have rules for extradition and Assange wouldn't qualify for extradition based on em(and as have been mentioned elsewhere, if Assange is extradited to Sweden then for Assange to be extradited to yet another country would require the UK to agree to it as well, giving Assange two countries in which to fight an extradition to the US aka more protection, not less)

And in all honesty, if the US were to say they dropped their case against Assange then i would wager 5 to 1 on him creating another excuse as for why he can't go to Sweden.

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Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #63)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:08 PM

Star Member AntiFascist (10,799 posts)

66. When the parties make certain statements publically...

then the public would expect them to live up to their statements. If the US provides assurance that prosecution is no longer possible and Assange continues to make excuses, then he begins to lose credibility.

Obama seems to be going out on a limb by indicating that there is division within his own administration on the wisdom of prosecuting Assange, and by hinting that there may be political motivations for not dropping the investigation before the election.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:15 PM

Star Member snooper2 (16,625 posts)

35. He can always go outside and get some fresh air

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 09:23 PM

Star Member Hissyspit (40,085 posts)

50. Yes, he can. There is a roof.

However fresh the air is in London.

Not really the point.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #50)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:39 PM

Star Member struggle4progress (71,487 posts)

64. He can't actually access the roof without leaving the embassy

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:12 AM

cemaphonic (2,304 posts)

57. Geez, what a crybaby

He likes to present himself as Public Enemy #1 to the powers that be, but 3 months of self-imposed exile and he goes all squirrely and starts complaining about his *lungs*? I wonder if he's trying to set up a narrative where he gives himself up, but only because his health "forced" him to.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:20 AM

Star Member Union Scribe (4,722 posts)

61. "My Wiki dad's just awful with the ladies"

Did you really just post this? Couldn't find anything from the Enquirer?

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