Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:01 PM
kpete (38,902 posts)
Paul Ryan To Fox News: ‘I Don’t Have The Time’ To Explain How We Will Pay For Our Tax PlanThis discussion thread was locked as off-topic by azurnoir (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum). WALLACE: So how much would it cost? RYAN: It’s revenue neutral… WALLACE: No no, I’m just talking about cuts. We’ll get to the deductions, but the cut in tax rates. RYAN: The cut in tax rates is lowering all Americans’ tax rates by 20 percent. WALLACE: Right, how much does that cost? RYAN: It’s revenue neutral. WALLACE: But I have to point out, you haven’t given me the math. Ryan: No, but you…well, I don’t have the time. It would take me too long to go through all of the math. But let me say it this way: you can lower tax rates by 20 percent across the board by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class. For things like charitable deductions, for home purchases, for health care. So what we’re saying is, people are going to get lower tax rates. Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/09/30/931121/paul-ryan-to-fox-news-i-dont-have-the-time-to-explain-how-we-will-pay-for-our-tax-plan/
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| kpete | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| Warpy | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| Indpndnt | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| valerief | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| arcane1 | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| freshwest | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| jmowreader | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| PSPS | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| Cosmocat | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| Javaman | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| bhikkhu | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| Zambero | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| Godot51 | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| Liberalagogo | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| SDjack | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| oldsarge54 | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| DeSwiss | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| azurnoir | Sep 2012 | #17 |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:05 PM
Warpy (69,210 posts)
1. My knitting site has been having fun with this one all day
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Last edited Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:20 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Hey, Ryan, it's not smart to piss off a bunch of women with pointy sticks in their hands!
I have offered three possible explanations: #1. "You people are just too stupid to understand." #2. "Well, some of you might understand, but you'd want me boiled in oil. #3. "Plan? We don't have a plan! We got nothing." |
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Response to Warpy (Reply #1)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:48 PM
Indpndnt (2,310 posts)
10. Lol! Well said!
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Especially the "women with pointy sticks" warning!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:07 PM
valerief (35,681 posts)
2. Lyin' Ryan ain't a good dancer. Tapping around a legit question like that
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shows he has two left feet. Or a forked tongue.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:09 PM
arcane1 (19,988 posts)
3. How does closing loopholes lower taxes?
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Response to arcane1 (Reply #3)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:26 PM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
7. If I recall correctly. that was the JFK plan. Lowered the tax rate, but cut the loopholes. And when
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Ryan says that they'll benefit the middle class by leaving charitable deductions (does that really affect taxes that much unless you're a zillonaire?), home mortgage, etc. He's really just spinning. Those are loopholes, my friend, oh yes they are.
Notice he's not going to mention the loopholes he's gonna leave in place along with those more populist ones (because the peasants would tar and feather him) such as those for oil companies, etc. Ryan is muddying the waters and has no plan. Obama can and has given the numbers, much to everyone's boredom. It's not his fault that people want sound bites. He knows all of the numbers and what they mean for Americans and the USA. I've seen Ryan on CSPAN at 'work' (if you can call his career of brown nosing 'work') and he throws out figures as if they are weapons to wave around like a stick. He never has a context, no matter what he says. Okay, I'll just say it. He's a dickweed. I can't resoect anyone who idolizes Ayn Rand. They have a few necessary screws missing to be human. |
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Response to freshwest (Reply #7)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:25 PM
jmowreader (23,950 posts)
14. JFK could get away with that plan
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JFK's plan was never intended to be revenue-neutral; Eisenhower kept the 90-percent tax rate to intentionally punish The Rich for profiteering off World War II when the dogfaces under his command were making fifty bucks a month. It pissed him off and he got them back for it. (And the money came in pretty handy because the government was funding a LOT of pure science and infrastructure in those days.)
JFK WANTED to cut government revenues; the nice thing about Kennedy's plan is that it didn't cut revenues drastically enough to stop the government from building roads and shooting people into outer space. The root problem with the Republicans is their mindset is 1955; they truly believe the government is overtaxing, which at the time they were, and the only solution is to cut back on taxes. Now having said that, which is true, the R's then always go on to say that overtaxation (which we no longer have) stifles the private sector. This is a very strange position to take, seeing as how the private sector flourished in the 1950s--when the Evil Government was taxing the living shit out of it! The reality is that UNDERtaxation stifles the private sector by starving it. |
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Response to arcane1 (Reply #3)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:28 PM
PSPS (4,198 posts)
8. It doesn't. Just like closing windows doesn't let more air in. They just think it "sounds good."
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Response to arcane1 (Reply #3)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:57 PM
Cosmocat (5,396 posts)
11. I'll give Wallace, a faux shill, credit for drilling on it a bit
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but, it is really sad and pathetic that a party nominee for President in the United States of America is repeatedly and openly campaigning on the notion that you can cut the effective rate 20 percent, close loop holes to make it revenue neutral, while everyone gets a tax cut.
There comes a point when the media just has to step up and say enough already, and totally call them out for it. |
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:17 PM
Javaman (40,665 posts)
4. aka Ryan: you are too stupid to understand my Genius (aka convoluted bullshit). nt
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:18 PM
bhikkhu (7,657 posts)
5. "you can lower tax rates by 20 percent across the board by closing loopholes"?!?
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Think about that one for a minute!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:20 PM
Zambero (2,409 posts)
6. Yes, Paul. The devil is in the details!
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If your secret tax plan was capable of generating broad popular support, you would have "found the time" to summarize what you and Romney intend to do. That would be good politics after all. However, the protracted silence says even more, and implies that it would be a sweetheart deal for the few and a hardship on everyone else. I guess we'll never know for sure, since you are not going to win come November 6th.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:39 PM
Godot51 (145 posts)
9. Do You Want to Know a Secret?
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Every time I read this "trust us on these tax numbers crap" I remember Nixon's secret plan to end the war in Vietnam... which apparently was in 1975 when Saigon fell.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:12 PM
Liberalagogo (221 posts)
12. STOP IT!!!
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MATH IS HARD!!!!!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:20 PM
SDjack (1,066 posts)
13. It's a secret tax cut plan. If Ryan told Wallace,
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then Ryan would have to kill him.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:32 PM
oldsarge54 (582 posts)
15. I wonder, mr Ryan
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How many times have you mocked Pelosi's out of context comment, while telling us your tax plan is too complex to explain? Hmmm.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:33 PM
DeSwiss (17,223 posts)
16. K&R
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:33 PM
azurnoir (26,686 posts)
17. sorry but this is a dupe please continue discussion here
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