Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:43 AM

onehandle (35,507 posts)

That Loaded Gun in My Carry-On? Oh, I Forgot

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Source: New York Times

In fact, the T.S.A. says the number of guns found at airport security checkpoints has been steadily rising for the last couple of years. Through Friday, 1,105 guns have been found this year, a pace that is higher than last year’s. In 2011, the total was 1,320, up from 1,123 in 2010, the agency says.

Security experts attribute the increase to two factors: a rise in gun sales and the sharp growth of so-called right-to-carry laws across the country that significantly relax regulations on carrying guns in many areas of public life, from colleges to hospitals.

Invariably, according to the T.S.A., travelers at airports with guns in their carry-on bags say they simply forgot they had them. “It’s almost always inadvertent rather than intentional,” said David Castelveter, a spokesman for the agency

Like other professionals in security, law enforcement and firearms safety, Mr. Castelveter was baffled by how anyone could forget that they were carrying a gun. “I’m a Vietnam vet, and when I went through training I was taught that my gun was my best friend — and God forbid you should ever lose sight of that fact. I would never, ever not know that I have a gun in my bag.”

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/business/tsa-is-finding-more-guns-at-airport-security-checkpoints.html

Because they are largely dickless idiots who don't understand what a gun is and are a threat to society.

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138 replies	Author	Time	Post
That Loaded Gun in My Carry-On? Oh, I Forgot (Original post)	onehandle	Sep 2012	OP
Peace to all beings,	ZombieHorde	Sep 2012	#1
Oh, shut up	psychopomp	Sep 2012	#7
At least spell whether right.	Warren Stupidity	Sep 2012	#24
I believe that is the correct spelling in the Zombie language. nt	Mojorabbit	Sep 2012	#86
“It’s almost always inadvertent rather than intentional” Yeah, right.	FailureToCommunicate	Sep 2012	#2
Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#3
what we really need to teach in public schools	HankyDub	Sep 2012	#19
solving problems with guns is always wrong.	AlbertCat	Sep 2012	#21
By which logic the police should be disarmed...yes?	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#22
That would be a start	pscot	Sep 2012	#41
This message was hidden by jury decision.	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#92
Surprisingly, that has never happened to me	pscot	Sep 2012	#107
Yes, all the gun nuts live in "thug" central.	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#127
Gay bashing is not limited to thug central	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#129
Please read the hidden post above.	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#131
I teach firearms on the weekends, mostly to GLBTs and women	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#133
But it is propaganda for the overwhelming majority of people who spew it.	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#134
And I would have voted to hide it too.	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#135
When did we start talking about CCW?	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#137
And you know what	oldsarge54	Sep 2012	#73
"A British"? What exactly is that? And what's a 'theif'?	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#97
happy now?	oldsarge54	Sep 2012	#111
That's a bad philosophy if your opponent doesn't agree.	jtuck004	Sep 2012	#29
Except when it's not...	Lightbulb_on	Sep 2012	#30
Yup, we should teach kids to shoot their way out of every situation!	HankyDub	Sep 2012	#66
See? Superlative...	Lightbulb_on	Sep 2012	#88
Dumbass gun banners.	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#100
So . . just call the cops and let them solve it with their . . . er . . . whistles? nt	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#120
Yes well the problem is that deregulation	Warren Stupidity	Sep 2012	#26
What deregulation?	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#36
changes in the the crime rate are not explained by guns.	Warren Stupidity	Sep 2012	#38
So, if you can't make a connection between guns and crime rates...	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#40
oh there are problems with guns	Warren Stupidity	Sep 2012	#46
Your "deregulation" hasn't resulted in more crime.	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#52
The crime rate has more to do with the economy than with anything else.	RC	Sep 2012	#55
Got stats for that?	PavePusher	Sep 2012	#56
Start with this.	RC	Sep 2012	#60
If there's a correlation, it's very weak, and not well demonstrated to be linked to economy.	PavePusher	Sep 2012	#63
I don't disagree, but that wasn't the question.	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#65
I never claimed it did. It also hasn't decreased crime.	Warren Stupidity	Sep 2012	#67
Actually, homicide rates are correlated to gun availability.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#69
It also hasn't demonstrably increased crime, yet you say it's bad.	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#75
It causes more deaths, not more crime.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#77
Lifestyle choices cause even more deaths.	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#84
Some of them are already regulated.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#85
Guns are heavily regulated.	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#87
We have cut deaths due to murder and manslaughter in half since 1992	hack89	Sep 2012	#110
Rates of gun ownership are	Warren Stupidity	Sep 2012	#115
Cutting the mortality rate of any public health problem in half would be considered a success.	hack89	Sep 2012	#117
But it is a fact there there are fewer shootings, injuries and death.	hack89	Sep 2012	#118
IMO you have structured the question exactly backward	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#57
And crime rates are spiking because of this	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#121
Common Sense?	fightthegoodfightnow	Sep 2012	#28
I would say, spend the money on mental health screening before buying	Arctic Dave	Sep 2012	#32
EXACTLY	fightthegoodfightnow	Sep 2012	#35
Great. Another unfunded mandate on the schools. No thank you!	Suji to Seoul	Sep 2012	#33
If it saves just one life...	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#37
Again. another unfunded mandate levied on the schools. No thank you.	Suji to Seoul	Sep 2012	#109
Who will teach gun safety? - Some gun proliferating NRA (out to beat Obama) sanctioned instructor?	Hoyt	Sep 2012	#42
Local law enforcement agencies, shooting ranges, gun clubs, colleges, retired military people	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#43
I think we'd be better off if people steeped in guns were not involved.	Hoyt	Sep 2012	#48
I think we'd want people who were falimiar with guns teaching the class.	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#53
"Familiar" or wedded to them to point they tote everywhere and	Hoyt	Sep 2012	#64
Can you explain your definition of "gun cultist"?	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#71
I see your problem, you're worried that same-sex marriage will lead to man-gun wedlock.	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#102
Who Would Pay For It?	Paladin	Sep 2012	#50
Everyone who pays property tax, just as they pay for sex education	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#58
Curriculum can be set up to be neutral	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#124
Basic reading, writing and arithmetic is what needs to be taught in schools....	Swede Atlanta	Sep 2012	#112
If schools have the bandwidth to spend multiple days on sex and drug education,	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#114
Charge them with a felony, revoke their right to carry guns, period.	denverbill	Sep 2012	#4
+1	slampoet	Sep 2012	#11
+ 1,000,000 n/t	cosmicone	Sep 2012	#13
+10000000 nt	Viva_La_Revolution	Sep 2012	#14
That sounds reasonable. Anyone here disagree?	TheCowsCameHome	Sep 2012	#15
I'll disagree. People do make all sorts of mistakes, some of them fairly	petronius	Sep 2012	#47
1,105 gun-toting idiots have tested the system so far this year.	TheCowsCameHome	Sep 2012	#74
Stupid Error.	oldsarge54	Sep 2012	#76
An (in)action or mistake with no criminal intent and no harmful outcome	petronius	Sep 2012	#89
How about Lawrence vs Texas? Does that one offend your anticonstitutional sensibilities too?	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#103
+1	SemperEadem	Sep 2012	#18
+ ∞	AlbertCat	Sep 2012	#23
+ 5 brazillion	kestrel91316	Sep 2012	#34
The gun owners treat a gun like a toothbrush	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2012	#39
All of your liquids must be in a ziploc bag outside of your carrryon.	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#54
Why do you want to invent new felonies?	PavePusher	Sep 2012	#59
+ a googol	valerief	Sep 2012	#62
What would be, in your opinion, an appropriate punishment for a person who forgets his child	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#98
The better analogy, actually, would be that the kid is noticed and retrieved	petronius	Sep 2012	#113
Zero tolerance	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#122
test Mitts window open theory	PatrynXX	Sep 2012	#5
Proof that more guns make us safe.	Ikonoklast	Sep 2012	#6
Hey, you never know when some nut might have sneaked a gun on board.	TheCowsCameHome	Sep 2012	#8
Are the pilots who (legally) carry guns with them in the cockpit also 'jerkwads'?	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#99
I'm sure you can figure that out, if you try hard enough.	TheCowsCameHome	Sep 2012	#101
I just did. The shitbrush is VERY wide.	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#104
..and you're holding it.	TheCowsCameHome	Sep 2012	#106
“It’s almost always inadvertent rather than intentional”	drm604	Sep 2012	#9
How many moslems get to use that excuse?	Monk06	Sep 2012	#10
Every gun owner I know agrees that gun owners should follow the law	aikoaiko	Sep 2012	#12
What would really be nice is if gun owners wouldn't push gun laws to the envelope.	Hoyt	Sep 2012	#45
I agree that not all civil liberties have to be expressed constantly, but	aikoaiko	Sep 2012	#83
People are never assaulted in parks?	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#119
So some people should not have the right to address the government for changes in the law	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#125
No, professor, I'm saying lots of things are best not done even if legal.	Hoyt	Sep 2012	#126
You are free to maintain that position	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#128
Act responsibly in society's best interest, rather than your own,	Hoyt	Sep 2012	#130
Self defense is a basic human right and is also in society's best interest	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#132
We can all come up with a reason to carry lethal weapons around.	Hoyt	Sep 2012	#136
Except for the ones who don't.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#72
People not following the law? What are we to do?	aikoaiko	Sep 2012	#82
This thread brings Mrs. Lou Dobbs to mind!	MADem	Sep 2012	#16
they know they've got a loaded gun in their carry on luggage	SemperEadem	Sep 2012	#17
Thanks to Mr. Castelveter & his troops we were able to win that war in Viet Nam.	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#20
'They', of course, would be those who attempt to carry handguns onto flights.	ronnie624	Sep 2012	#25
Forgetting?	fightthegoodfightnow	Sep 2012	#27
OK. So you're going on a trip and you pack the essentials	lunatica	Sep 2012	#31
You're packing for your flight	pscot	Sep 2012	#44
It is understandable. As more people become more fearful and more start carrying, it can become	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#49
I'm sure that most say they forgot.	Gormy Cuss	Sep 2012	#51
And this, my friends, is how "responsible" gun owners let their guns get into the hands	valerief	Sep 2012	#61
Yeah, I'm sure it's an accident.	JoeyT	Sep 2012	#68
Proof Positive	oldsarge54	Sep 2012	#70
Being added to a No Fly List might jog their memories.	TheCowsCameHome	Sep 2012	#78
This message was hidden by jury decision.	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#105
Ok, they forgot	nadinbrzezinski	Sep 2012	#79
If you don't know where your gun is, it really doesn't provide much protection	nichomachus	Sep 2012	#80
Or much support for terrorism:	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#93
fucking idiots	Skittles	Sep 2012	#81
What should we do about the cops who forget they left their guns on the bureau	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#94
LOL	Skittles	Sep 2012	#123
Come on people. Who here never forgot about a loaded gun you were carrying before?	Incitatus	Sep 2012	#90
Having a gun in your luggage is hardly 'carrying' it.	Bocks Car	Sep 2012	#95
They weren't carrying their luggage?	Incitatus	Sep 2012	#108
well	TheFarseer	Sep 2012	#91
"Dickless" good thing you're leveling that kind of insult	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#96
Unlike just about everyone else, I find this credible.	Jim Lane	Sep 2012	#116
It seems that it is not really the carry-on bags.	ManiacJoe	Oct 2012	#138

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:49 AM

ZombieHorde (23,880 posts)

1. Peace to all beings,

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weather they cary a gun or not.

That Loaded Gun in My Carry-On? Oh, I Forgot

1. Peace to all beings,

7. Oh, shut up

24. At least spell whether right.

86. I believe that is the correct spelling in the Zombie language. nt

2. “It’s almost always inadvertent rather than intentional” Yeah, right.

3. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools

19. what we really need to teach in public schools

21. solving problems with guns is always wrong.

22. By which logic the police should be disarmed...yes?

41. That would be a start

107. Surprisingly, that has never happened to me

127. Yes, all the gun nuts live in "thug" central.

129. Gay bashing is not limited to thug central

131. Please read the hidden post above.

133. I teach firearms on the weekends, mostly to GLBTs and women

134. But it is propaganda for the overwhelming majority of people who spew it.

135. And I would have voted to hide it too.

137. When did we start talking about CCW?

73. And you know what

97. "A British"? What exactly is that? And what's a 'theif'?

111. happy now?

29. That's a bad philosophy if your opponent doesn't agree.

30. Except when it's not...

66. Yup, we should teach kids to shoot their way out of every situation!

88. See? Superlative...

100. Dumbass gun banners.

120. So . . just call the cops and let them solve it with their . . . er . . . whistles? nt

26. Yes well the problem is that deregulation

36. What deregulation?

38. changes in the the crime rate are not explained by guns.

40. So, if you can't make a connection between guns and crime rates...

46. oh there are problems with guns

52. Your "deregulation" hasn't resulted in more crime.

55. The crime rate has more to do with the economy than with anything else.

56. Got stats for that?

60. Start with this.

63. If there's a correlation, it's very weak, and not well demonstrated to be linked to economy.

65. I don't disagree, but that wasn't the question.

67. I never claimed it did. It also hasn't decreased crime.

69. Actually, homicide rates are correlated to gun availability.

75. It also hasn't demonstrably increased crime, yet you say it's bad.

77. It causes more deaths, not more crime.

84. Lifestyle choices cause even more deaths.

85. Some of them are already regulated.

87. Guns are heavily regulated.

110. We have cut deaths due to murder and manslaughter in half since 1992

115. Rates of gun ownership are

117. Cutting the mortality rate of any public health problem in half would be considered a success.

118. But it is a fact there there are fewer shootings, injuries and death.

57. IMO you have structured the question exactly backward

121. And crime rates are spiking because of this

28. Common Sense?

32. I would say, spend the money on mental health screening before buying

35. EXACTLY

33. Great. Another unfunded mandate on the schools. No thank you!

37. If it saves just one life...

109. Again. another unfunded mandate levied on the schools. No thank you.

42. Who will teach gun safety? - Some gun proliferating NRA (out to beat Obama) sanctioned instructor?

43. Local law enforcement agencies, shooting ranges, gun clubs, colleges, retired military people

48. I think we'd be better off if people steeped in guns were not involved.

53. I think we'd want people who were falimiar with guns teaching the class.

64. "Familiar" or wedded to them to point they tote everywhere and

71. Can you explain your definition of "gun cultist"?

102. I see your problem, you're worried that same-sex marriage will lead to man-gun wedlock.

50. Who Would Pay For It?

58. Everyone who pays property tax, just as they pay for sex education

124. Curriculum can be set up to be neutral

112. Basic reading, writing and arithmetic is what needs to be taught in schools....

114. If schools have the bandwidth to spend multiple days on sex and drug education,

4. Charge them with a felony, revoke their right to carry guns, period.

11. +1

13. + 1,000,000 n/t

14. +10000000 nt

15. That sounds reasonable. Anyone here disagree?

47. I'll disagree. People do make all sorts of mistakes, some of them fairly

74. 1,105 gun-toting idiots have tested the system so far this year.

76. Stupid Error.

89. An (in)action or mistake with no criminal intent and no harmful outcome

103. How about Lawrence vs Texas? Does that one offend your anticonstitutional sensibilities too?

23. + ∞