Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:22 PM
sabra (29,774 posts)
'Drunken' Broker Sent Oil to 8-Month High in 2009: Report
Source: CNBC
On June 30, 2009, oil mysteriously jumped by more than $1.50 a barrel during the night, to reach its highest price in eight months, the kind of swing that is caused by a major geopolitical event. The amazing, true cause of this price spike has now been released by a Financial Services Authority investigation (FSA). Although not authorized to invest company cash in trades, Steve Perkins, a long standing, senior broker at PVM Oil Futures, had managed to spend $520 million on oil futures contracts throughout the night, the FSA said. On the morning of the 30th, an admin clerk called Perkins to ask why he had bought 7 million barrels of crude during the night. Perkins had no recollection of the transactions, and it turned out that he had made the trades during a “drunken blackout," according to the FSA. By the time PVM realized the transactions had not been authorized by a client, they had incurred losses of $9,763,252. ... The FSA has said that they will re-approve his license after the five-year period, if he has recovered from his drinking problem, although they warned that,“Mr Perkins poses an extreme risk to the market when drunk.” Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/49197769
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| sabra | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| yardwork | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| salvorhardin | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| Pab Sungenis | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| frylock | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| valerief | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| Hassin Bin Sober | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| just1voice | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| LiberalAndProud | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| rudycantfail | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| heaven05 | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| progressoid | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| oldsarge54 | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| Dont call me Shirley | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| Brigid | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| FailureToCommunicate | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| bluedigger | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| Saviolo | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| heaven05 | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| Demeter | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| slackmaster | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| Hutzpa | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| Blue_Tires | Sep 2012 | #30 | |
| Hutzpa | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| craigmatic | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| madrchsod | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| KansDem | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| Brigid | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| Oilwellian | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| tridim | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| TrollBuster9090 | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| TrollBuster9090 | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| fasttense | Sep 2012 | #32 | |
| mikeytherat | Sep 2012 | #33 | |
| K8-EEE | Sep 2012 | #34 | |
| TrogL | Sep 2012 | #35 |
Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:28 PM
yardwork (37,170 posts)
1. ...and we paid the price.
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Disgusting.
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Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:32 PM
salvorhardin (9,995 posts)
2. Perhaps Microsoft should repurpose Clippy for commodities traders.
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"It looks like you're trying to trade hundreds of millions of dollars of commodities while you're drunk. I'm just going to disable your internet connection for a little while."
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Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:32 PM
Pab Sungenis (8,951 posts)
3. One more reason
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we have to do away with oil futures. You want oil, you buy it.
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Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:38 PM
valerief (35,729 posts)
5. Why reapprove his license at all? He's a danger to too many people. nt
Response to valerief (Reply #5)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:08 PM
Hassin Bin Sober (8,722 posts)
12. Who would hire him? Or give him the passwords to the trading gadget thingy if they do hire him?
Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:42 PM
just1voice (1,362 posts)
6. I don't believe it, it's always some little guy's fault in financial fraud-land.
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I'm not going to click on cnbc's site either, cnbc is mainstream media propaganda.
How'd the guy get authorization to trade? Who's his manager? Who owns the company and who benefited from the "drunken" actions? Who did the guy make the trades through, what broker? Doesn't the broker have limits? Too many real questions that aren't answered. |
Response to just1voice (Reply #6)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:04 PM
LiberalAndProud (9,921 posts)
11. Maybe you'd prefer this link?
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jun/29/drunk-oil-trader-banned-fsa
or this one http://dealbreaker.com/2010/06/fsa-sets-dangerous-precedent-in-drunk-trader-case/ The interesting thing is that both of those links refer to articles written in 2010. I wonder why cnbc is just now getting around to reporting this story? |
Response to just1voice (Reply #6)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:44 PM
rudycantfail (300 posts)
20. It's that old familiar "a few bad apples" narrative
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that we're told to believe again. The narrative says the problem's not systemic and not even criminal. Heck, the guy didn't even know what he was doing.
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Response to just1voice (Reply #6)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:08 PM
heaven05 (2,483 posts)
23. how
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much did the average citizen end up paying
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Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:45 PM
progressoid (27,384 posts)
7. Free market baby!
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Woohoo!!
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Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:49 PM
Dont call me Shirley (1,395 posts)
8. Aren't they all drunk, high and sex-crazed?!
Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #8)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:18 PM
Brigid (10,742 posts)
16. You saw "Inside Job," didn't you?
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Seems like those conditions are endemic in those circles. And yet law enforcement goes bonkers over a few MJ plants in somebody's back yard.
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Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:50 PM
FailureToCommunicate (4,404 posts)
9. TWI ?!? FSA should not give this guy back his license!
Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:52 PM
bluedigger (10,726 posts)
10. On the upside, his treatment was covered by his HMO.
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Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:10 PM
Saviolo (111 posts)
14. Just posted something about this
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In General Discussion
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021407978 And was a little surprised to be told that I was overreacting a little. My big shock was that one person had enough sway over the global price of oil that he could change the price by $1.50/barrel globally in half an hour. But the brokerages and large corporations want to be deregulated further? They all collectively have their twitchy finger over the same button, and they want to take the safety catch away. No deal. |
Response to Saviolo (Reply #14)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:16 PM
heaven05 (2,483 posts)
26. nope
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you are NOT overreacting. Under reaction, and we keep paying exorbitant prices. I was looking at a monthly gas bill from feb 2000, cold time here, 48.00 fucking bucks. last february 303.00. overreacting, no. Someone made millions from this bastards drunken spree. They got the gold mine, we got the shaft, per Willie Nelson and very true.
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Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:14 PM
Demeter (65,952 posts)
15. One Drunken Fool, Amongst All the Greedy, Power-Mad Trades
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and that's the one they get upset about...because they didn't profit.
Call a big CFTC investigation because oil fell last week...it wasn't on the schedule. This nonsense and gambling has got to stop. |
Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:25 PM
Hutzpa (10,475 posts)
18. This is an example of how oil price is manipulated
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by brokers. In that case we can assume that most brokers are drunk most of the time then if that's the
excuse they want to use. |
Response to Hutzpa (Reply #18)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 08:05 PM
Blue_Tires (31,870 posts)
30. +1
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I don't believe one word of that "drunken" bullshit...He was obeying orders and knew exactly what he was doing...
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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #30)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:18 PM
Hutzpa (10,475 posts)
31. He got caught
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hence the drunken BS lie. Those agents that was with him needs to answer some questions too;
How did they know he was drunk? Did they find him drunk? Where was he when they found him? These are just a few that comes to mind based on their report. |
Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:32 PM
craigmatic (3,259 posts)
19. Capitalism has failed us repeatedly and nobody seems to see it for what it is.
Response to craigmatic (Reply #19)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:52 PM
madrchsod (55,893 posts)
21. unregulated capitism has failed us....
Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:58 PM
KansDem (24,500 posts)
22. For some reason this song went through my mind when I read this...
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Only with these lyrics: What do you do with a drunken broker? What do you do with a drunken broker? What do you do with a drunken broker? Early in the morning! Way hay and up go prices Way hay and up go prices Way hay and up go prices Early in the morning! Stick him in a barrel of o'er-priced oil Stick him in a barrel of o'er-priced oil Stick him in a barrel of o'er-priced oil Early in the morning Way hay and up go prices Way hay and up go prices Way hay and up go prices Early in the morning! And so on... |
Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:15 PM
Oilwellian (9,283 posts)
24. Did the price ever go back down? n/t
Response to Oilwellian (Reply #24)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:25 PM
tridim (40,925 posts)
27. Same question.
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One guy drinks and the oil companies make billions. It's just that easy!
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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #24)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:40 PM
TrollBuster9090 (1,650 posts)
29. The flip side of this was that (FANTASTIC) time when Obama and the EU agreed to simultaneously
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release their strategic oil reserves when oil prices hit their peak, and the supply level was at it's lowest, and commodity futures speculators leveraged everything they could get their hands on to buy futures, betting on the price going up.
Then BOOM the oil reserves are released and the price drops, and bankrupts many of them. Dodd-Frank was (theoretically) supposed to stop that kind of speculation, but since the regulators who are charged with doing it refuse to, that was a pretty clever move. A move designed SPECIFICALLY to break the backs of many speculators who were deliberately driving the price UP, and make others think twice about doing it in future. If you're going to constantly be accused of being a Chicago thug, you may as well act like one. Frankly, people ADMIRE thugs, especially when they take on OTHER thugs in the interests of the people. |
Response to sabra (Original post)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:35 PM
TrollBuster9090 (1,650 posts)
28. That's just "The Invisible Hand of the Market" working. Libertarians should be proud.
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Either that, or the invisible hand of Jack Daniels, and the VISIBLE hand of some commodities broker wanking all over his computer keyboard.
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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #28)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:23 AM
fasttense (14,546 posts)
32. The invisible "drunken" Hand of the Free Market. n/t
Response to sabra (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 08:38 AM
mikeytherat (6,827 posts)
33. Although not authorized to invest company cash in trades, (he)...managed to spend $520,000,000
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Not authorized to invest company cash, yet can still get his hands on HALF A BILLION DOLLARS from the company? Must have been from the "Take a Penny/Leave a Penny" dish near the cash register.
And if you pull my leg, it plays "Jingle Bells." mikey_the_rat |
Response to sabra (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:03 PM
K8-EEE (15,667 posts)
34. but...but...but....the only reason gas ever goes up is because Obama hates Uh-Murka
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And he won't let us DRILL BABY DRILL! That's what they say on Fox so it must be true!
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Response to sabra (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:30 PM
TrogL (31,365 posts)
35. OK, so what was up with the 4 cent jump in gasoline last week?
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Now it's down two cents.
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