Iran's Ahmadinejad says that Israel will be 'eliminated'

Takes two to Tango...

They would make a good Couple.

that there were no gay people in Iran?

Read carefully the context as well as the content. No need to add to an already treacherous situation. Below is a segment of the actual transcript:

"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," Ahmadinejad added.

"Eliminated" referred to "disturbances" and not Israel

But any excuse for some people to beat the drums of war.

Anyway, more from the article:

"The nuclear issue is not a problem. But the approach of the United States on Iran is important. We are ready for dialogue, for a fundamental resolution of the problems, but under conditions that are based on fairness and mutual respect."

"We are not expecting a 33-year-old problem between the United States and Iran to be resolved in a speedy fashion. But there is no other way besides dialogue," Ahmadinejad said.

Doesn't sound like saber-rattling or someone itching to start a war.

Or perhaps there is a narrative you want to believe that you so choose to ignore them?

Define "they" in the quote. That is the "disturbances" needing elimination. The "they" is Israel. Why continue to deny what was clearly said? Why do you choes to ignore the obvious?

Yours however, is pretty one dimensional.

If you are so "multi-dimensional" then you would be able to easily admit that the "disturbances to be eliminated" include Israel. You seem only interested in personal attacks and accusations, not actually dealing with the truth of the matter.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/24/14073152-pugnacious-iranian-president-rips-israel-us-ahead-of-final-un-speech?chromedomain=usnews&lite

"But while Reuters quoted Ahmadinejad as calling for Israel to be “eliminated,” the official translation of his remarks indicated that he steered clear of the fiery rhetoric he is best known for.
Reminded that he was quoted as saying several years ago that Israel should be wiped off the map, the Iranian president responded that he only wants Iran's neighbor to change its behavior. “We say occupation must be done away with," he said. "We say war seeking and war mongering must be eliminated. We say threats must be eliminated. Threatening manners and ways must be eliminated. Destroying people’s homes on the head of their wives and children must be done away with and eliminated. "

If you cared about the truth of the matter, you would have noted how Reuters used a separated quote and had been immediately skeptical as I had been. So yes, YOUR narrative.

Also the right wing's narrative.

He must be getting hints from Romney.

It's ok man, I don't support this guy either.


But the truth matters.

indeed.

full quote

"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated,"

Israel represents minimal disturbances that have already been eliminated.

This is past tense. Israel is still here. Minimal disturbances are not.

Here is the quote from the piece:



Do you see that "referring to Israel?" Do you SEE IT?! Then the next line, the "them" and "they" represent ISRAEL (in part). The "disturbances" refer back to the the "them/they" and what does the the "them/they" refer to?! Oh yeah...ISRAEL! This is not difficult to understand. You even seem to be alluding you understand this concept. Then YOU change the tense. What he is using is the conditional future tense.

Which CSM cribbed. I am sorry but I trust CBS over Reuters. Who do you trust?

A lie repeated here by the Christian Science Monitor. A red flag should go up every time you see that hoax repeated.

The most accurate quote translated from Farsi (the original language of the quote) was, "Israel should vanish from the page of time"



The Ayatollah was referring to the regime of the occupiers of Palestine. NOT Israel in particular, but rather the current government in Israel at the time. Which, undoubtedly, describes the current government.
In NO WAY does it say Israel itself should be eliminated as a state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

"If a group comes and occupies the United States of America, destroys homes while women and children are in those homes, incarcerate the youth of America, impose five different wars on many neighbors, and always threaten others, what would you do? What would you say? Would you help it? ... Or would you help the people of the United States?" Ahmadinejad asked in response to whether Israel should be "wiped off" the face of the map, as he once said.

"So when we say 'to be wiped,' we say for occupation to be wiped off from this world. For war-seeking to (be) wiped off and eradicated, the killing of women and children to be eradicated. And we propose the way. We propose the path. The path is to recognize the right of the Palestinians to self-governance."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/24/world/meast/iran-ahmadinejad-interview/

I knew it as soon as I saw just 'eliminated' in quotes

look, despite those, who for some mysterious reason, claim that he never said that Israel will be eliminated, he's said it in varying ways repeatedly.

look, despite those, who for some mysterious reason, claim that he said that Israel will be eliminated, he's never said it. Ever.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/24/world/meast/iran-ahmadinejad-interview/

"If a group comes and occupies the United States of America, destroys homes while women and children are in those homes, incarcerate the youth of America, impose five different wars on many neighbors, and always threaten others, what would you do? What would you say? Would you help it? ... Or would you help the people of the United States?" Ahmadinejad asked in response to whether Israel should be "wiped off" the face of the map, as he once said.

"So when we say 'to be wiped,' we say for occupation to be wiped off from this world. For war-seeking to (be) wiped off and eradicated, the killing of women and children to be eradicated. And we propose the way. We propose the path. The path is to recognize the right of the Palestinians to self-governance."

A prince of a man like this, who stands at the head of such an equitable & just society, would NEVER, EVER utter such virulent hokum. Obviously this is an attempt by war-mongering Christo-Fascist propaganda organs (& their corporate puppets masters) to incite hatred against this proven pillar of humanism.

Now if this were Tim Tebow, I'd believe every single word of it.

Since we are unhappy with the countries policies, all bets are off and the truth doesn't matter. Just say whatever.

You mean, he didn't say this? Whew! That's a relief. I was about to throw out my collection Ahmadinejad bobble-heads.

""The nuclear issue is not a problem. But the approach of the United States on Iran is important. We are ready for dialogue, for a fundamental resolution of the problems, but under conditions that are based on fairness and mutual respect."

"We are not expecting a 33-year-old problem between the United States and Iran to be resolved in a speedy fashion. But there is no other way besides dialogue," Ahmadinejad said. "

Oh - and also what Ahmadinejad (wow that's a hard name to spell, glad someone else did it for me) actually said:


"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," Ahmadinejad added."

I believe the point that the other posters are making is that the title of the OP is misleading. He wasn't talking about wiping Israel off the map or being completely eliminated.

There is plenty of REAL sabre rattling going on - why make shit up?

Ahmadinejad obviously gets a kick out flame bait, and so does the OP.

Before copping and pasting untrue war propaganda from Christian newspapers.

Just saying.

This poster has one dimension.

and though I've certainly had disagreements with the op, he/she certainly is not one dimensional. Who the hell are you, dear?

They can tack on the CBS article from post #58, which counters the CSM article, to their post.




It's not too late.

Every so often they unload a bombshell like this but during the Bush Years they reported a lot of facts the rest of media ignored and I used to take great delight posting links to their coverage of events to Right Wingers.

Forced on the writer of the article to garner more clicks.

I am shocked.

Iran does not take Israeli threats of attack seriously, but is prepared to defend itself, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday.

The leader of the islamic republic made his comments as reports in the country's English-language Press TVsuggested that Iran successfully test-fired a domestically made anti-aircraft system.
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Speaking to journlists on Monday Ahmadinejad said: "Fundamentally we do not take seriously the threats of the Zionists ... we have all the defensive means at our disposal and we are ready to defend ourselves," Ahmadinejad told reporters in New York, where he is due to attend the UN General Assembly.

"While we are fully ready to defend ourselves, we do not take such threats seriously," he said.
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Ahmadinejad said Iran has been around for thousands of years, but Israel has existed for only 60 or 70 years. He said that for a certain "historical phase" Israel represents a disturbance for Iran and "they are then eliminated."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4285579,00.html

and look at the damage caused in Mesopotamia. He needs to take the threats by the neocons seriously.

NOT that Israel will be eliminated.

This is like when they claimed he wanted to wipe Israel off the map when he actually said history has shown that extremist governments come and go.

Tehran, Oct 26 - Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday called for Israel to be "wiped off the map".

"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the President told a conference in Tehran entitled 'the world without Zionism'.

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to the late founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Imam Khomeini.

Addressing some 4,000 students gathered in an interior ministry conference hall, Ahmadinejad also called for Palestinian unity, resistance and a point where the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come.

"The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland," he said.

Regarding the Zionist regime's retreat from the Gaza Strip he said, "we should not settle for a piece of land".

"Anyone who signs a treaty which recognises the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world," Ahmadinejad said.

"Any leaders in the Islamic umma who recognise Israel face the wrath of their own people."

http://web.archive.org/web/20070927213903/http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=200247

That's the original "wiped off the map" article from 2007. It's from an Iranian state-run news source.

Mahmoud can threaten Israel 10,000 more times and no one cares.

But heaven forbid Israel stands up for itself , watch the sparks fly.

Time to remind him of what happens if he flips the bird to the world and the IAEA.

Stay real low Mahmoud .

Just more lip flapping from wacko right wingers. It gets old.

And the assumption that the United State will go along with everything they do.

What they don't get is that Romney doesn't know anything about it because to him, "the Holy Land" is in Joseph Smith's back yard.

I think that is either a mistranslation or the Iran Republic Broadcasting Agency is a CIA backed Christian Dominionist organization trying to discredit and embarrass President Ahmadinejad.

What he really said is, "We respectfully request the proud and noble State Of Israel to retreat from areas outside of the original 1948 borders set by the United Nations' Palestinian Mandate. This will allow us to have a much more friendly and prosperous relationship with our Jewish friends."

(I'm not even going to bother with the dripping sarcasm thingie)

the boys behind the curtain may be getting nervous. the arab spring is`t going away...

He's been saying this for six years. He has no more military authority now than he did then. Whoopty poop

There is no reason to react.

He's been saying this for years.

The United States Navy's Carrier Strike Group Eight just happens to be in the area.

What a coincidence!

MANAMA, Bahrain, Sept. 21 (UPI) -- A massive mine-sweeping exercise involving 30 countries is under way on the seas around Bahrain, say military officials.

The maneuvers are intended as a show of force to Iran, which Western countries are trying to convince to be more transparent about its nuclear program, CNN reported Friday.

The 2-week-long exercise will involve surface ships, aircraft, underwater ordnance disposal dive teams and even remotely operated submersibles.

U.S. military officials said the exercises are strictly defensive, noting that more than 500 ships sail through the Strait of Hormuz every week....

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/09/21/De-mining-exercise-begins-off-Irans-coast/UPI-69091348241922/#ixzz27QANyuGx

As I am sure the Iranian President is talking about the State of Israel voted on by the United Nations in 1948.

However, the real Israelites go back to the time of Abraham and his message from G-D who created the Universe and goes back to a time of thousands of years not some 70 that the President has spewed out.

His ugly comments are better heard then blocked since they are so insensitive and extremely intolerant of another's Religious beliefs.

As a point of fact I condemn the recent ugly comments and video directed toward the Muslim Prophet.

What was actually said is being misrepresented - I suspect deliberately. Or, here, I posted this earlier:

""The nuclear issue is not a problem. But the approach of the United States on Iran is important. We are ready for dialogue, for a fundamental resolution of the problems, but under conditions that are based on fairness and mutual respect."

"We are not expecting a 33-year-old problem between the United States and Iran to be resolved in a speedy fashion. But there is no other way besides dialogue," Ahmadinejad said. "

Oh - and also what Ahmadinejad (wow that's a hard name to spell, glad someone else did it for me) actually said:


"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," Ahmadinejad added."

I'm no fan of Ahmadinejad, but I am a fan of more honest journalism. The title of this article is misleading.

There is a game being played and isn't the journalists this time.

people always seem to have to die for their type.

has no place in Middle East history!? LMAO, the school system really sucks in Iran I guess.