Sat Sep 22, 2012, 08:46 PM
Hissyspit (40,027 posts)
Paul Ryan Tells Florida Seniors That Obamacare Includes Death Panels
Source: Think Progress
Paul Ryan Tells Florida Seniors That Obamacare Includes Death Panels By Igor Volsky on Sep 22, 2012 at 4:19 pm Paul Ryan likened a mechanism to control health care spending to “death panels,” during a town hall at the University of Central Florida in Orlando on Saturday. After listening to Ryan repeatedly call for the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, an elderly man asked the Republican vice presidential nominee about “the death panels.” Rather than dissuading the man from what PolitiFact named 2009′s Lie of the Year, Ryan laughed and responded, “that’s not the word I’d choose to use to describe it. It’s actually called….the Independent Payment Advisory Board”: QUESTION: We love you Paul. But I’m getting long in years. Will you address the death panels that we’re going to have? RYAN: The death panels, well! That’s not the word I’d choose to use to describe it. It’s actually called. It’s actually called, so in Medicare, what I refer to as this board of 15 bureaucrats. It’s called the Independent Payment Advisory Board. It sounds fairly innocuous. Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/09/22/893761/paul-ryan-tells-florida-seniors-that-obamacare-includes-death-panels
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| Hissyspit | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| Iliyah | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| spiderpig | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| NEWYORKDEM | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| Hoyt | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| tavalon | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| AAO | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| Downwinder | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| BlueToTheBone | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| cr8tvlde | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| rsweets | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| lexw | Sep 2012 | #35 | |
| DreamGypsy | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| annabanana | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| Festivito | Sep 2012 | #37 | |
| Th1onein | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| fascisthunter | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| bupkus | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| Odin2005 | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| Ikonoklast | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| jmowreader | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| Mopar151 | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| progressivebydesign | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| left on green only | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| wordpix | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| chuckstevens | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| silvershadow | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| The Wielding Truth | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| The Wizard | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| riverbendviewgal | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| wordpix | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| StarryNite | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| wordpix | Sep 2012 | #30 | |
| AndyTiedye | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| SoapBox | Sep 2012 | #32 | |
| Rosa Luxemburg | Sep 2012 | #33 | |
| Zambero | Sep 2012 | #34 | |
| Cha | Sep 2012 | #36 | |
| oldsarge54 | Sep 2012 | #38 | |
| rgbecker | Sep 2012 | #39 |
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 08:55 PM
Iliyah (2,324 posts)
1. Lyin'Ryan, Lyin'Ryan . . . . .
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So called "Christian" lying for the Lurd, hallelujah!
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 08:56 PM
spiderpig (7,404 posts)
2. Hi would be pathetic if he weren't so evil
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I can't even look at his smug, smarmy face.
Tool. |
Response to spiderpig (Reply #2)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:09 PM
NEWYORKDEM (24 posts)
9. Ryan is a lyin'..again
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Romney/Ryan need to win Florida for starters. If they don't carry Florida, they are done before they start.
Ryan is such a double talking punk. |
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 08:57 PM
Hoyt (12,089 posts)
3. Even if Ryan were correct, it would be better than some fool who earns bonuses or stock options
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Last edited Sun Sep 23, 2012, 07:05 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) for denying care. A duly appointed -- or even elected -- board to oversee coverage requirements is much better than letting the "free" market sort it out. I hope people aren't buying Ryan's lies.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:03 PM
tavalon (25,656 posts)
4. How can you tell Ryan is Lyin'?
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His lips are moving.
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Response to tavalon (Reply #4)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:51 PM
AAO (1,485 posts)
27. You could say that about any republican! n/t
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:05 PM
Downwinder (7,110 posts)
5. He didn't happen to mention that he sits on one of those
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"Death Panels," the US Congress.
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Response to Downwinder (Reply #5)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:10 PM
BlueToTheBone (2,326 posts)
10. Well, and why would he? He hates those old people
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with all their wrinkly skin reminding him that time passes and he will age and he will die? Sad little man.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:06 PM
cr8tvlde (1,171 posts)
6. Just MHO, but seniors are increasingly internet savvy. I believe they trust the AARP
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at least collectively, more than some glad-handed and glib whippersnapper politician. Heck, some are Baby Boomers. LOL
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:07 PM
rsweets (282 posts)
7. So.. is it Paul Palin, or Sara Ryan
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I'm starting to get those two confused...
but hopefully they will be together at Fox come the first of the year... |
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:07 PM
DreamGypsy (1,117 posts)
8. The Ryan-Romney health care plan includes Death Panels
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Well, the death panels. That’s not the word I’d choose to use to describe it. It’s actually called. It’s actually called, your credit card company and your bank. A huge, anonymous hoard of financial executioners. Doesn't sound innocuous to me.
Oh, your coupon is too small. OFF WITH HER HEAD! |
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:13 PM
annabanana (45,537 posts)
11. Insurance companies have REAL, functioning death panels.
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"rejection of claim notice"
"does not cover" "out of network" "exclusion" killers |
Response to annabanana (Reply #11)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 06:03 AM
Festivito (12,282 posts)
37. Do we believe in democracy OR the power of wealth.
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Each of these paths has death panels.
One listens to people, then money. The other listens to money, then people. |
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:17 PM
Th1onein (5,433 posts)
12. See? "Going rogue," which was Palin's advice to the Romney campaign is just code for LYING.
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That's what SHE did when she was a candidate for VP, and that's what she called it.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:21 PM
fascisthunter (28,608 posts)
13. he is one sick puppy....
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no shame, no guilt... just a fucked up sociopath working for the other sickos who are part of the 1%.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:29 PM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
15. They are playing on Americans' neurotic fear of "rationing"
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They do this all the time, the "Death Panels" crap is just the newest form of it.
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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #15)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:12 PM
Ikonoklast (21,620 posts)
23. Some people actually believe that there is a finite supply of health care in this nation.
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If some poor person is getting seen by a doctor, somewhere, anywhere in this country, some person on Medicare won't be able to see a doctor that day.
I've been told that by an geezer that thinks Mexicans are all moving to this country just to keep him from seeing a doctor. |
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:32 PM
jmowreader (23,904 posts)
16. It's going to be the death panel for his political career if he keeps it up
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:36 PM
Mopar151 (6,041 posts)
17. There's one in every state!
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They are called Workmen's Compensation Boards. R&R never heard of such a thing....
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:43 PM
progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)
18. That is a fucking FAKE question, planted. No one talks like that.
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They were scripted, obviously.
Fuck Ryan... |
Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #18)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:09 PM
left on green only (1,077 posts)
21. That was my thought as well.
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In my natural state, I tend to be the wordsmith as well. But even I am not that stiff. And you could also tell that Ryan's response was memorized and contrived as well. I wonder if anyone was fooled?
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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #18)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:51 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
28. totally agree, my first thought
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:43 PM
chuckstevens (334 posts)
19. Something Smells!
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Something Smells. Wait a minute. Oh yeah, it's the smell of DESPERATION!
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Response to chuckstevens (Reply #19)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:05 PM
silvershadow (1,522 posts)
20. Yes. As desperate as the stench of death. I've got news for Ryan:
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The real death panels are already in place in the current beuracratic system. The fight between political forces, corrupt politicos, and clashing idelogoies lead us into a system that is a hellish nightmare. And it doesn't stop. Now the state is using call centers, they conveniently lose paperwork, the conveniently do all sorts of stuff to make me continue to prove that somehow the MS I have hasn't somehow cured itself, or whatever. It's a non-stop harassment campaign. Latest letter, recieved yesterday, indicated that it "appears' I am no longer eligible for the extra help (That extra help is my Medicaid, which *IS my supplemental. Now I got to get a lawyer, I'm so tired of it I'm thinking of suing, class action if I can to prove that I don't have the time for this. It's just me. I either have time to be sick, and in between try to get well, or I have time for their nonsense. But not both. Either that or just give up. I'm not far from that.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:10 PM
The Wielding Truth (8,437 posts)
22. He should be penalized for misleading seniors. Disgusting.
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:13 PM
The Wizard (7,008 posts)
24. He'll leave Congress
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to become a lobbyist for Soylent Green.
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Response to The Wizard (Reply #24)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:46 PM
riverbendviewgal (2,460 posts)
25. Ha that's good
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His day will come.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:49 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
26. the questioner sounds like a plant, bringing up "death panels" is just too perfect a pitch
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I call foul
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:53 PM
StarryNite (2,785 posts)
29. What a fucking lying sack of
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shit!
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:54 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
30. news flash to Ryan: most seniors with brains have written living wills & their wishes will be
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carried out. This death panel BS is just that. What a crock.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:25 PM
AndyTiedye (22,973 posts)
31. Whereas Ryan Vouchercare Would Eventually Leave Most Elderly People Uninsured
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:40 PM
SoapBox (5,799 posts)
32. O...M...G!!!
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What a lying POS!
Like others have said, is this the Palin style of "goi'n rogue"? Just freak'n lying?!? Hey Coupon Care Man, didn't your mother ever tell you NOT to lie? |
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:30 AM
Rosa Luxemburg (21,964 posts)
33. Somebody should call him out
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:31 AM
Zambero (2,408 posts)
34. Hey Hey, now Ryan is following in Sarah Palin's footsteps
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Just be careful there Paul the Lyin' Hearted, she might have copyrighted that term. But never mind that, just keep doing the Rogue Sarah bit. And don't forget to ask yourself: How will THAT work out for ya?
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:02 AM
Cha (124,404 posts)
36. Did he tell AARPs about the
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Death Panels? If not, why not?
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 07:24 AM
oldsarge54 (582 posts)
38. Funny how things Evolve
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The original "Death Panel" scare was brought up when there was proposed language in the ACA to allow Doctors to discuss end of life treatments with the patient, rather than dodge the issue and pretend they are going to get well.
As for the new definition of death panel, people deciding whether treatment is called for or not, well, the "free market" insurance companies always had those. Bean counters who were unaccountable to anyone but the board of directors who determined what procedures would be paid for, the cost/benefit to the company (not the patient), and whether or not to count a procedure as experimental or "necessary." These decisions are not being made by doctors. Ryan, it is you trying to divert attention. Shut up, stand up, salute, and go down with your ship. |
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 06:08 PM
rgbecker (2,208 posts)

