Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:37 AM
kpete (38,895 posts)
Trayvon Martin's DNA not found on George Zimmerman's gun, forensic tests say
Source: CBS
Trayvon Martin's DNA not found on George Zimmerman's gun, forensic tests say By Crimesider Staff Topics Daily Blotter (CBS/AP) ORLANDO, Fla. - George Zimmerman's DNA was the only one that could be identified on the grip of the gun used to fatally shoot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, according to forensic tests made public Wednesday. The results rule out Martin's DNA from being on the gun's grip. Zimmerman's DNA also was identified on the gun's holster. The tests were inconclusive as to whether Martin's DNA was on the gun's holster. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting Martin during a confrontation in a gated community in Sanford in February. Zimmerman is pleading not guilty, claiming self-defense. Zimmerman says Martin was on top of him, slamming his head against the ground when he grabbed his gun from a holster before Martin could get it. Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57515801-504083/trayvon-martins-dna-not-found-on-george-zimmermans-gun-forensic-tests-say/
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| kpete | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| obamanut2012 | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| CreekDog | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| RitchieRich | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| kestrel91316 | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| RitchieRich | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| RitchieRich | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #30 | |
| daleo | Sep 2012 | #49 | |
| crim son | Sep 2012 | #48 | |
| CreekDog | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| Ash_F | Sep 2012 | #46 | |
| Ecumenist | Sep 2012 | #35 | |
| heaven05 | Sep 2012 | #42 | |
| JustABozoOnThisBus | Sep 2012 | #52 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| brush | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| bongbong | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| avebury | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| DireStrike | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| robinlynne | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| brush | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| Scairp | Sep 2012 | #34 | |
| heaven05 | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| TheMadMonk | Sep 2012 | #40 | |
| enough | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| JRLeft | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| iamthebandfanman | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| TheWraith | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| Ecumenist | Sep 2012 | #36 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #39 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| robinlynne | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| Zoeisright | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| Cha | Sep 2012 | #37 | |
| pediatricmedic | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| sakabatou | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| Zoeisright | Sep 2012 | #32 | |
| -..__... | Sep 2012 | #38 | |
| heaven05 | Sep 2012 | #43 | |
| CreekDog | Sep 2012 | #44 | |
| korak | Sep 2012 | #33 | |
| Canuckistanian | Sep 2012 | #41 | |
| madokie | Sep 2012 | #45 | |
| slackmaster | Sep 2012 | #47 | |
| Remmah2 | Sep 2012 | #50 | |
| ManiacJoe | Sep 2012 | #51 |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:41 AM
CreekDog (37,125 posts)
2. I hope DUers will identify the conservative/NRA/anti-Trayvon talking points that are sure to follow
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and be posted in this thread.
i hope people will be vigilant. |
Response to CreekDog (Reply #2)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:52 AM
RitchieRich (236 posts)
6. A Witch!!
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Decenter! Blasphemer!
Lets all dogpile on anyone whose views don't strictly line up with our own. That should lead to some meaningful dialogue. |
Response to RitchieRich (Reply #6)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:56 AM
kestrel91316 (45,405 posts)
8. "Decenter"?? Seriously??? Oh wait, I meant "seriesly".
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Last edited Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:56 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) How is it that our public schools only teach spelling and grammar to liberal students?
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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #8)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:21 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
17. I don't think Richie Rich went to public schools
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Then again, the misspellings may be well deserved intentional sarcasm.
The sentiment seems to be genuine and accurate |
Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #17)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:49 PM
RitchieRich (236 posts)
22. Close...
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My actual aim was for us to all stare deeply into each others eyes while contemplating our bland homogenous nature and self pleasuring
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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #22)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:54 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
23. But what schools did you attend?
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Phillip Exeter? Punahou?
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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #23)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:20 PM
RitchieRich (236 posts)
28. Gee, you guys must be the most popular 13 year old girls in your Jr. High school
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Ok, that was fun.
Seriously though, I was implying a question that I would appreciate some real thought or response to. If it is presupposed that any variation from a rigid list of opinions constitutes grounds for being demonized, how is any meaningful dialogue supposed to occur? Or, is that not the goal? If the goal is to just congratulate yourself on agreeing with yourself, well, you could just squat over a mirror and have at it. I'm also wondering what the lack of DNA means. Does that imply that he was further away than claimed (therefore, not self-defense)? |
Response to RitchieRich (Reply #28)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:39 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
30. I concurred with your concern (in my own way) further down
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As for the lack of DNA, that would seem to limit what kind of theory of the crime the defense could reasonably preset. Some sort of facsimile test (pig with a hoodie and an identical weapon) could be done. Not sure is it would require the use of a live target. Also not sure it matters. I think there is already enough there to convict Zimmerman.
As for your namesake's school, everyone know he went to public school with his friends. |
Response to RitchieRich (Reply #28)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:04 PM
daleo (19,944 posts)
49. I suppose it means that it was unlikely that he touched or contacted the gun
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A desperate hand to hand struggle would be more plausible if both parties' DNA was on the gun and/or holster.
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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #8)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 11:29 AM
crim son (26,493 posts)
48. *snicker* n/t
Response to RitchieRich (Reply #6)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:02 PM
CreekDog (37,125 posts)
11. No, I was talking about posters who post "talking points"
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you know, when there's a pattern.
later on today, when they figure out the response to this, they'll show up and start posting the same stuff. because they're posting talking points. if they wanted to post something other than talking points, they'd be here right now. |
Response to CreekDog (Reply #11)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 10:47 AM
Ash_F (1,743 posts)
46. Truth
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At some point in the last ten years, a lot of DUers became Fox/Limbaugh parrots.
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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #6)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:09 PM
Ecumenist (5,646 posts)
35. Umm, do you mean "DISSENTERS"? Wow, a great way to start off...Ritchie.
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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #6)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:34 AM
heaven05 (2,372 posts)
42. go
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peddle your zimmerman apologist mentality somewhere else. No use for it. Yeah you should be on the bottom of the dogpile.
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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #6)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 04:29 PM
JustABozoOnThisBus (9,917 posts)
52. I think the correct spelling is "decanter"
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I like to drink a shot every time I see a viewpoint that doesn't match mine.
Cheers!
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Response to CreekDog (Reply #2)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:10 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
14. We are ready for the infidels and heretics with stones, pitchforks, stout hearts and closed minds!
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Last edited Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:49 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Never mind that the case against Zimmerman will be one of many small things that fit together only one way and not a single damning piece.
Never mind that the justice system is going slowly to make sure mistakes are not made. Never mind those who may have an honest difference on some parts of this are still good people Never mind those, while correct, are not dancing to you dogma. I am at the point that when someone throws the talking points card, especially before there has been any real discussion, the post should cancelled for lack of intellectual rigor or aptitude of the poster followed by suitable mocking. All that said, while there is no single damning piece of evidence, all the small items should be more than enough to get a conviction |
Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #14)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:08 PM
brush (1,033 posts)
26. No evidence?
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No damning piece of evidence, how about the dead body of a teenager?
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Response to brush (Reply #26)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:22 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
29. By itself, that is proof of homicide not murder
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The rest of the case needs to be built from the body and other evidence.
Most people think that with most crimes there is an Ah Ha moment, the key evidence is found and its all over. That is not the way it works in the real world most of the time. There is no video or other slam dunk single item against Zimmerman. Instead it is a long list of small items that can only fit together one way. In this case there is more than enough to convict Zimmerman, but this is not CSI, there is no Gill Grissom, and there is no slam dunk. |
Response to CreekDog (Reply #2)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:47 PM
bongbong (5,436 posts)
20. The Delicate Flowers
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Last edited Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:47 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) You must not hurt the feelings of the Delicate Flowers (Tom Tomorrow's term for gun-nuts)
They need as many guns and as much ammo as they can carry because the world is a SCARY place to them, and they need their Precious to walk out the door. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:45 AM
DireStrike (5,858 posts)
4. Can we lock this guy up already?
Response to DireStrike (Reply #4)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:06 PM
robinlynne (15,170 posts)
12. He is locked up.
Response to robinlynne (Reply #12)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:13 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
15. I believe he is out
Response to robinlynne (Reply #12)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:09 PM
brush (1,033 posts)
27. Out
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He's out on bail again.
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Response to DireStrike (Reply #4)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:58 PM
Scairp (2,250 posts)
34. They did try
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But since he's apparently entitled to bail they managed to post the $1,000,000 set by the judge who was just removed from the case. He's been out. I should think lying to the court during your first bail hearing, getting caught and having the original bond revoked would be grounds for denying bail until trial but I guess I'm just a dumb woman who doesn't know shit.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:51 AM
heaven05 (2,372 posts)
5. I
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can't wait for this trial. It WILL put america's racial divide and the racist america in clear perspective for the world to see. In a way I'm glad that this election has brought out a lot of the swamp scum into the open, the trial will bring more of that out as well as the sewer rats. Quite an exciting few months coming up!
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Response to heaven05 (Reply #5)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:46 PM
TheMadMonk (5,785 posts)
40. The world knows. It's the too many Americans who refuse...
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...to open their eyes that let the racist have their way.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:55 AM
enough (6,914 posts)
7. Has Zimmerman ever claimed that Trayvon Martin had his hands on the gun? (nt)
Response to enough (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:00 PM
JRLeft (1,953 posts)
9. I believe that is why they tested it.
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Last edited Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:01 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) "Zimmerman says Martin was on top of him, slamming his head against the ground when he grabbed his gun from a holster before Martin could get it."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57515801-504083/trayvon-martins-dna-not-found-on-george-zimmermans-gun-forensic-tests-say/ |
Response to JRLeft (Reply #9)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:18 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
16. That does not say Martin was reaching for the weapon
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It was concealed. It is unknown if Martin even knew Zimmerman was armed.
Lots of stories out there. What matters is what is presented in court. It has been clear for some time that this case is going to be about lots of small items that can only fit together one way, not a single damning item. |
Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #16)
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Response to iamthebandfanman (Reply #18)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:41 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
19. There are so many stories, which one are you citing? Many have not said that.
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Was it possibly in the statement(s) he gave the cops?
This finding is a good thing. It means any stories about them struggling over the gun are false. That limits what can be in the story they present in court (the only one that really matters). This case is going to be one based on lots of small items that can only fit together one way, not a single big item. Fairly common though most people seem to think the the CSI TV show is the real world instead. In case there is any doubt about my position, Zimmerman should be found guilty. Not sure what this has to do with my handgun...its in my office safe where it belongs. |
Response to iamthebandfanman (Reply #18)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:48 PM
TheWraith (24,331 posts)
21. The "he" in that sentence means Zimmerman, not Martin.
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I.e. it's saying that Zimmerman said he'd grabbed his gun before Martin. A mastery of high school level English might help your case.
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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #16)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:13 PM
Ecumenist (5,646 posts)
36. HE SAID IT, "Professor". He actually said it. Wow, Obfuscate much? I wonder how you would
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see this case if the child MURDERED was one of yours or a relative? You might rethink your position. Denial is a serious drug. SMDH
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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #36)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:57 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
39. You might want to read Post #21 at a minimum
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You might also want to read some of my other posts...I clearly believe that while there is no single damning piece of evidence (like a video tape), the many smaller pieces that can fit together only one way are more than enough to convict Zimmerman.
If you think that is denial, it means that you must believe that Zimmerman is innocent |
Response to enough (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:02 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
10. Depends which of several versions of what happened you believe
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Its good data, not sure its definitive.
So many want a slam dunk, no doubt about it answers. There won't be any in this case. It will be a large number of small things that can only fit together one way. |
Response to enough (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:34 PM
Zoeisright (7,836 posts)
31. Yes.
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He said Trayvon grabbed for the gun and there was a struggle. Obviously, the murderer is lying.
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Response to enough (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:33 PM
Cha (124,554 posts)
37. Yeah, Zimmerman is a proven
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fooking Liar.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:54 PM
pediatricmedic (179 posts)
24. That is kind of strange
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At that range, I would have expected some bits of DNA to be found on the weapon from splatter effects. Even firing through clothing, you would expect at least small amounts of tissue or blood to be blown back. There also may not have been enough material available to make a positive determination.
FWIW, i don't think this case is a hate crime or premeditated murder, it is an example of human stupidity. |
Response to pediatricmedic (Reply #24)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:58 PM
sakabatou (29,075 posts)
25. Except Zimmerman stalked Martin before he killed him.
Response to pediatricmedic (Reply #24)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:34 PM
Zoeisright (7,836 posts)
32. Chasing down an unarmed black kid and killing him isn't a hate crime?
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Yeah, right. Come back when you have something relevant to say.
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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #32)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:57 PM
-..__... (7,776 posts)
38. Not in this case.
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Last edited Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:58 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) You need to educate yourself about what is a hate crime, and what isn't...
No evidence Trayvon Martin's killer is racist: FBI interviews
July 12, 2012|Kevin Gray and Barbara Liston | Reuters MIAMI/ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - FBI interviews with dozens of friends, coworkers and neighbors of George Zimmerman found no evidence that the accused murderer of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin was a racist, according to new documents released on Thursday. The reports from the FBI were among a new collection of evidence, including crime scene photos, bank surveillance videos and other documents, that were released by Florida's state attorney's office in the racially charged case. Zimmerman, a 28-year-old who is white and Hispanic, is charged with second-degree murder in the February 26 shooting death of Martin, a 17-year-old black teen. A neighborhood watch volunteer, Zimmerman claims he killed Martin in self defense after the unarmed youth attacked him and slammed his head into the sidewalk during a confrontation in a gated community in the central Florida city of Sanford. He is currently living in an undisclosed safe house after being released on $1 million bail last week. FBI agents investigating whether race was a factor in the shooting spoke with Sanford police officers, Zimmerman's bosses and colleagues, friends, neighbors and others to determine if he had ever shown any racial prejudice. In one interview detailed in the evidence, Sanford Police Detective Christopher Serino, the lead investigator in the Martin case, told the FBI he did not believe Zimmerman's shooting of Martin was motivated by race. "Serino believed that Zimmerman's actions were not based on Martin's skin color (but) rather based on his attire," according to a report. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-07-12/news/sns-rt-us-usa-florida-shootingbre86b1ad-20120712_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-zimmerman-claims |
Response to -..__... (Reply #38)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:45 AM
heaven05 (2,372 posts)
43. YOU!
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Last edited Thu Sep 20, 2012, 10:53 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) need to educate yourself about american racism and the stereotyping that goes along with. His attire and a black face makes fora suspicious individual? Right! That he is out on bond no matter if it had been 10million dollars is a travesty. Okay, in my neighborhood a pickup drives by with one of those rebel flags in it, which has happened, he is immediately followed, confronted about his assumed identity and if there is an altercation about his flag and he is shot the whole neiborhood would be in jail with the key thrown away. Give me a break apologist!. The kid lived in that 'gated' community! I can't wait for this trial!!!
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Response to -..__... (Reply #38)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 10:05 AM
CreekDog (37,125 posts)
44. I'll take your opinion on advisement after you posted the Stormfront pic of Martin
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which was not of him. but he was a black kid, so I guess that's close enough for you to believe it.
thanks but no thanks. don't lecture any of us on hate crimes. you have no credibility on that. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002471753 |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:55 PM
korak (20 posts)
33. I keep reminding myself.......
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I have been reading DU since shortly after it was founded.
I know there are many reasonable, objective people here. I see them on other threads! |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:44 AM
Canuckistanian (42,197 posts)
41. Ah, but....
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I bet they find PLENTY of Martin's DNA on the bullet.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 10:29 AM
madokie (36,586 posts)
45. That doesn't prove anything
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Was the weapon taken as evidence at the time of this murder or was it surrendered days later. Beings as how he wasn't charged for weeks I don't see how this information would be relevant to the facts at all.
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Response to madokie (Reply #45)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 11:00 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
47. I agree - It doesn't shed any new light on the case
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It's just a data point.
Was the weapon taken as evidence at the time of this murder or was it surrendered days later. The police took it in as evidence at the scene. |
Response to madokie (Reply #45)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:13 PM
Remmah2 (3,291 posts)
50. How do you take DNA from a gun?
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I can see fingerprints, but DNA? I've never heard of that being a factor before.
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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #50)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 04:25 PM
ManiacJoe (5,579 posts)
51. You do it the same way you remove DNA from everything else.
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Capture the skin cells, blood, sweat, etc.
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