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Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:11 PM

4,000 noncitizens estimated on Mich. voter rolls

Source: Detroit News

September 18, 2012 at 10:27 pm
4,000 noncitizens estimated on Mich. voter rolls
By Chad Livengood
Detroit News Lansing Bureau


Lansing ó One day after being sued over a controversial ballot box citizenship question, Secretary of State Ruth Johnson said Tuesday there are an estimated 4,000 noncitizens on Michigan's voter rolls.

The estimate is based on the state's access to citizenship information for one-fifth of the population, Johnson said, adding the federal government won't give her access to more citizenship data.

Johnson said the results of a "very tedious" analysis of 58,000 driver's licenses and state-issued identification cards found 963 noncitizens registered to vote.

Department of State employees cross-referenced those noncitizens with voting records and found 54 have a voting history and have voted a total of 95 times, Johnson said.


Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120918/POLITICS01/209180448#ixzz26sgk81kz



I smell bullshit coming from a troubled Teabagger Secretary of State who is currently being sued by voting rights advocates.

Ruth Johnson is what happens when we fail to get out the vote.

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Reply 4,000 noncitizens estimated on Mich. voter rolls (Original post)
Bozita Sep 2012 OP
Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #1
nanabugg Sep 2012 #25
Bozita Sep 2012 #2
SoapBox Sep 2012 #3
freshwest Sep 2012 #4
LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #5
former9thward Sep 2012 #27
kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #6
struggle4progress Sep 2012 #7
Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #15
Samjm Sep 2012 #8
XemaSab Sep 2012 #9
Bozita Sep 2012 #12
struggle4progress Sep 2012 #16
hlthe2b Sep 2012 #19
Panasonic Sep 2012 #24
Panasonic Sep 2012 #23
aquart Sep 2012 #10
davidpdx Sep 2012 #20
JDPriestly Sep 2012 #11
Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #17
iamthebandfanman Sep 2012 #13
former9thward Sep 2012 #28
Indpndnt Sep 2012 #14
oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #18
bemildred Sep 2012 #21
dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #22
auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #26

Response to Bozita (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:17 PM

1. Ooooooo 95 votes. Out of what? Millions?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:04 AM

25. And how did the 95 vote? Mostly GOP or DEM? nt

 

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:18 PM

2. Here's the link to the report of the lawsuits from yesterday's LBN...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014234515

Sec of State Johnson obviously believes the best defense is a good offense.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:35 PM

3. Ditto to smelling bullshit.

Amazing.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:40 PM

4. Yes, or even believe that a GOP can't be corrupted into going bagger. Seen it here.

Was a great disappointment when most of us voted for a 'reasonable and non-partisan' GOP for one of our state offices. Then Karl Rove got to him at last and he went crooked. Never allow a GOP to be in charge of elections again, not after this 2010 batch.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:54 PM

5. Let's try 7 MILLION Michiganders

So, let's do the math shall we:

7,000,000 Michiganders/4,000 (Made Up Non-Citizens by Tea-Bagging Witch SOS Ruth Johnson that suppose to be voting) =1.75% of so called illegal citizens voting in Michigan....I smell B.S.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:37 PM

27. Your math is a little off.

It is actually much lower than that. 4000/7000000 = .057%

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:55 PM

6. How do we know Ruthie le Teabagger is lying? Her lips are moving.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:13 AM

7. Claims like this, around the country, have invariably turned out to be hype

4000 noncitizens on the rolls in Michigan? Really? What's in it for them?

We know why people rob banks: they want the money. If they get fugged up enough, some will take that risk for the prospect of the cash. A while back, a guy in my town with a substance problem robbed a bank for money for his fix: the really stupid thing was, everybody at that branch knew him by name, and he didn't bother with a disguise. I guess he got his fix; I know he got caught. He wanted the money bad and took stupid chance for it

But voting? Nah -- nobody says: "Damn! I really want to vote so awful bad, I don't mind getting deported for committing a felony!"

There might be statewide a handful of clueless non-citizens who registered cuz they thought everybody could vote, and in any election cycle maybe one or two of them vote. Maybe. But the huge majority of non-citizens will know they can't vote, and they won't even try -- because really! what's in it for them?


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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:59 AM

15. They most likely were accidentally registered when obtaining a driver's license.

But yes, the vast majority won't bother to use that accidental registration to vote.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:32 AM

8. Same story in CO

Sounds like the suspected 4,000 non-citizens on the CO voter rolls. Of which all but 36 were proven to be citizens (myself included).

Waste of taxpayer money!

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Response to Samjm (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:33 AM

9. Welcome to DU!

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Response to Samjm (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:55 AM

12. 4,000 non-citizens on the Colorado voter rolls? ... What a coincidence!

Is this another ALEC thingy?

BTW, welcome to DU, Samjm!

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Response to Samjm (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:04 AM

16. "... In April 2011, Gesslerís office alleged that 4,000 non-citizens had registered to vote ..."

Charlie Gonzalez says Texas, Colorado voter laws seek to disenfranchise Democrats
Wednesday, September 12, 2012
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/09/charlie-gonzalez-says-texas-colorado-voter-laws-seek-to-disenfranchise-democrats/

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Response to Samjm (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:51 AM

19. I am so angry about this in Colorado... At least that despicable Rethug SOS was shown for the lying

corrupt asshole that he is. I surely hope our voting immigrant and minority populations will remember what the RETHUGS tried to do, for a very long time to come.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:57 AM

24. And will be tossed sooner than later

 

if his corrupt practices are revealed for any election sheningans here.

It may be over for the suppression, but as long as the SoS holds the key to the election, then we must make sure that Scott Gessler does his job as the state law provides, not what his Republican Party provides.

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Response to Samjm (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:56 AM

23. Hi Sam, from a fellow Coloradan

 

Denver here... and come check our Colorado forum too.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:49 AM

10. 963? All Democrats, I assume?

She's lying.

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Response to aquart (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:19 AM

20. It wouldn't surprise me if all the people she accuses of being illegally registered are D's

That would be the first hint her middle name is Pinocchio.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:52 AM

11. I have difficulty believing this.

In California, when you offer to register someone to vote, the non-citizens either tell you that they cannot vote or turn away.

And voters must sign under penalty of perjury that they are citizens.

I don't believe that noncitizens register to vote.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:14 AM

17. Or some clerk at the Secretary of State's office checks the wrong box on the motor registration.

Ironically, this repig's own office is probably responsible for the bulk of these registrations (if they exist).

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:56 AM

13. Tons of places of invalid people registered..

lots of dead people especially..
so its kinda possible, i guess...

BUT guess what?

they NEVER show up to vote.

so, in my view, no real fraud has been commited...

i mean, weve all heard the stories of 'mickey mouse' and other obvious factious names being submitted to the registries..but again.. they never show up to vote...

now if they were being allowed to cast a vote, thats a different story all together... lmao

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Response to iamthebandfanman (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:36 PM

28. I think the voter fraud stuff is very overblown in most areas.

But it does exist in some areas. I lived in Chicago for 30 adult years and participated in attempts to put progressive candidates in office against the Daley machine. The dead did vote there through absentee voting. Family machine members would apply for an absentee vote for their dead relative and then vote the ballot and send it in. When we still had paper cards as the ballot machine members would visit polling places and put small ball bearings in the holes underneath where the opponent's name would go when the card was inserted so when you tried to punch out that name it would not go through and thus would not be counted.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:57 AM

14. Really? So, non-citizens risked exposure to show up at the polls?

Really?! Now pull the other one. What utter nonsense Michigan's SoS is spewing.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:26 AM

18. OMG

54 actual non-citizen voters. Call out the national guard, spends millions in passing laws that end up in court. Panic, and tell everyone that Obama is not really the President. It must be an ACORN plot.

What what really happened, a clerk at the drivers license office checked the box "Register to vote" and the individual got a voter's registration and thought, gee, I must be able to vote, they sent me this voter card.

Hey Ruth, how does 54 votes become 4,000?

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:28 AM

21. Give us a list of names to check or shutup. nt

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:39 AM

22. Generally speaking we don't have any such issues in the UK.

Only those on the local electoral registers , which are done annually each October, are entitled to vote whether it be local or general elections. The forms are mailed out a few months before for return by mail or entered online. The register is also used to determine who is libel for jury service , those below 70 , and in some respects by credit agencies to confirm home address.

Aside from that we still use pencils and pieces of paper for voting,

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:13 AM

26. Why is it there are always "thousands" of cases

until people investigate. Then it's three or four out of millions.

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