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Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:56 PM

Linkin Leatham, 'Miracle' Baby, Dies After Accidentally Shooting Himself With Father's Gun

Source: Huffington Post

A toddler who overcame serious health problems at birth died after accidentally shooting himself with his father's gun in their Utah home.

Linkin Leatham's parents described their two-year-old as a "miracle" baby who defied doctors' expectations by fully recovering from "multiple medical complications," according to an obituary in the Provo Daily Herald.

Melinda and Owen Leatham were in their Springville home last Tuesday when their son picked up a handgun left at his eye level and inadvertently fired it, according to KSL. But they didn't see him do it.

Linkin "tragically died in his parents' arms," the obituary said.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/linkin-leatham-miracle-baby-dies-shooting-father-gun_n_1893741.html



Guns' inevitable targets are family members.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:57 PM

1. Ohh, there are no words...

What an incredible and intensely sad waste.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:57 PM

2. May the little one RIP....now charge the parents with negligence.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:59 PM

3. I

don't know what to say..........

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:01 PM

4. .



RIP little one.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:04 PM

5. Oh God...

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:04 PM

6. "...their son picked up a handgun left at his eye level and inadvertently fired it"

You have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

I am sure these people are grieving, but my god, the sheer idiocy of what they did. How many people with toddlers and kids in their homes leave loaded guns lying around?

Just heartbreaking. And such a waste.

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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:08 PM

9. I may get flamed for this but the parents should be

arrested for negligent homicide. The incident was preventable had they been responsible gun owners. I am sick and tired of children shooting themselves or others because of loaded guns left where they can reach them.

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Response to avebury (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:13 PM

12. I'm not flaming you.

This is a terrible terrible tragedy, but I agree with you that they should be held responsible. The irresponsibility boggles the mind.

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Response to avebury (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:17 PM

14. Totally Agree!!!

 

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Response to avebury (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:23 PM

15. +1 (nt)

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Response to avebury (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:46 PM

20. Gun control starts at home. nt

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Response to avebury (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:46 PM

21. No Flames, that poor baby had some a couple of dipshits for parents

What kind of moron keeps a loaded gun within arms reach of unsupervised 2 year old
Geez!!!

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:03 AM

27. "What kind of moron keeps a loaded gun within arms reach of unsupervised 2 year old"

Melinda and Owen Leatham evidently.

Callous of me? Probably but its also true.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:30 AM

30. it is true...

the truth hurts. Stupid hurts too when it kills your own child.

If it had happened to me, I would find it hard to survive with the shame of it. I'm feel sorry for the parents because the nightmares haven't even begun.

They need to find a way to get through this. I suggest getting rid of the guns if for nothing else than respect for their lost child.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:36 AM

51. Owen Leatham, who is a police officer

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #51)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:48 AM

56. Something is fishy about this, if he is a police officer.

He of all people should know better.
In fact, he should be all the MORE accountable.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #56)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:24 PM

66. Now that I have recovered a little from the shock

I think you are right someone is lying. How is a two year old strong enough to pull the trigger towards himself?

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:49 PM

67. My 2 year old managed to remove all the screws in his daddy's jeep

using a philips screw driver.
but he was precocious.
Best part of the memory is daddy's frantic voice upon discovery of his cherished son's talent:
"where are the rest of the screws??? ..... HOW MANY DID YOU EAT????"

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #67)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:16 PM

68. Triggers require more torque. Don't they?

How many did he eat?

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #68)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:08 PM

69. Have no idea how much pressure it took to fire the gun in question.

I am in fact trying to imagine how a 2 year old could HOLD/Pick up a handgun AND fire it....


As for the screws, all were eventually accounted for in the garage, but we had an anxious couple of bathroom check days.

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Response to avebury (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:32 AM

31. No responsible gun owner I know would leave a gun at eye level of a 2yr old.

It isn't about taking people's guns away, it's about preventing tragedies like this from happening.

Wish we could really work WITH the NRA to stop this kind of thing from ever happening again.

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Response to Tigress DEM (Reply #31)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:46 AM

36. The only way to prevent tragedies like this is to take guns out of the equation.

You can't cure stupid.

You either make it harder for stupid people to get guns or you accept the occasional dead two year old as a price worth paying for the right to own guns.

And yes, I know that two year olds with negligent parents can die a million other ways too. But the only way to stop two year olds shooting themselves is to decrease the number of houses with guns and two years olds at the same time. And there's no way to do that without taking peoples' guns away.

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:37 AM

38. I don't buy that. We educated people not to have mini-blinds near a crib.

I think the gun thing is about "swagger" and the NRA et al are trying to prove how they have the right to take their guns with them everywhere, teach their kids to shoot semi-automatics as soon as they can hold them etc...

There are responsible gun owners out there. My dad was one. We would never have considered touching his gun. It's called parenting. Other gun owners have gun safes and lock them up.

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Response to Tigress DEM (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:13 PM

60. I totally accept that there are responsible gun owners out there

and that they are the majority.

But the fact remains that you will always have tragedies like this as long as you allow private citizens to own guns. You can reduce them with public education campaigns but you will never "prevent" them as long as stupid, irresponsible people have access to lethal weapons.

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #60)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:49 PM

71. IF the NRA were as upset about these kind of tragedies as we are...

THEY would have more ways to persuade gun owners to ALWAYS lock up their guns when kids are involved. BUT they want it to be perceived as if guns are "safe as can be" so this "swagger" attitude prevents common sense cooperation between our side and theirs.

Total prevention of these kind of tragedies, yes impossible. Stuff happens. Kids find the keys, and the ammo even if guns aren't loaded and stored separately.

You can't legislate against stupid, but you can get at people's hearts. People love their kids and need to be pushed HARD to make these kind of decisions in the harsh light of tragedy, not the warm glow of "baby's asleep, what harm is there in leaving it out?"

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:30 AM

48. So government public safety campaigns are a waste of money and don't work?

because it is stupid to smoke, to use illegal drugs, to drive drunk, to eat unhealthy food, to drive without a seat belt.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:18 PM

61. No

but public education campaigns have not "prevented" smoking, taking drugs, drunk driving, bad eating habits or driving without seatbelts. They have only (debatably) reduced their frequency and the damage they cause. As I said before, the only way to prevent two year olds shooting themselves is to ensure that no two year olds have access to guns. And the only way to 100% do that is to make sure that no adults keep guns around two year olds. Some people are immune to reasonable persuasive argument and education. So the debate comes back to either we take the guns or we accept the dead two year old.

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #61)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:34 PM

64. Did we decide to "accept" the carnage due to alcohol?

why don't we "take" the alcohol? It kills more 2 years olds than gun accidents. (And here I am talking about the impact of achohol on society in total - drunk drivers, domestic abuse, child abuse, etc)

Why don't you support Prohibition II - because you like a beer or two perhaps?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #64)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:26 AM

74. Yes. We did.

We accept a lot of risky behavior in our society, sometimes because the benefits outweight the harm (driving automobiles) and sometimes because prohibition is impossible to enforce (alcohol).

I don't drink but I don't support prohibition either because anyone can brew or distill alcohol in their bathtub or under their beds and then sell it for pennies. Not everyone can assemble a TEC-9 using spare parts from their VCR. It is actually feasible to drastically reduce the number of guns in private hands and to drive up blackmarket prices beyond what most people could afford.

Also, we do still prohibit sales of certain kinds of alcohol (beyond a certain proof), restrict what hours, where and by whom they can be bought, etc. Tighter restrictions on certain kinds of guns and where people can access them would also help to reduce the carnage.

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #74)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:10 AM

75. The present laws have contributed to historically low levels of gun violence

We have reduced murder and manslaughter deaths by nearly 50% since 1992 and the rates keep declining year after year. Gun accidents are down too.

You have never been safer.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #75)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:32 AM

76. How much safer would we be if so many folks weren't accumulating/carrying guns? A lot I think.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:45 AM

77. All those guns have not led to more shootings, injuries or deaths

so I don't think it is so clear.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #77)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:49 AM

78. Guns have led to more deaths, tragedy than needed. To make gun crowd happy, we have to accept

the bad -- that's kind of crazy I think in a modern society.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #78)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:07 AM

81. Why don't we simply focus the legal system on violent criminals?

fix the real problem?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #81)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:14 AM

84. Because guns -- and promotion of more and more guns in society -- are part of the problem.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #84)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:17 AM

86. Drugs and drugs gangs are a much bigger problem.

most violence is criminals shooting other criminals.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #75)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:16 PM

89. I'm sure that's a great comfort to the dead two year old.

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #89)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:40 PM

91. What a ridiculous remark

are you saying that we should implement laws and regulations on every object that kill 2 year olds with the stated goal of zero deaths?

This is what kills young kids - guns are barely on the radar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Causes_of_accidental_death_by_age_group_%28percent%29.png

Fire prevention, pool safety and better car seat laws will save many more lives.

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:37 AM

52. So, you believe police officers should not be allowed to own guns?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #52)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:20 PM

62. They should not be allowed to keep them in their private residences loaded on a coffee table.

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Response to Tigress DEM (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:13 AM

83. Problem is we have no idea how many gun owners are "responsible"

And the NRA really has shown no interest in finding out.

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Response to avebury (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:27 AM

45. No flaming here. Who does that? People need to be responsible parents.

If you want a gun in your house, keep it locked up in a safe away from your children!!!

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:06 PM

7. sad

that's terrible

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:08 PM

8. RIP

What a senseless tragedy

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:08 PM

10. Unfuckingreal....

There are no words.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:12 PM

11. The poor innocent baby at least died with his freedumbs.

Now, what is it again that kills people?

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Response to valerief (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:42 PM

18. Toddler, in this case.

So sad. Cops should be chipped to match their guns so nobody else can fire them, anyway. We have RFID tech.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:13 PM

13. There's a lot we could say about the parents...

...but probably not much they won't be thinking themselves for the rest of their lives. They will NEVER get over that. Poor little boy... :_(

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Response to Momgonepostal (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:28 AM

29. I can't even let myself imagine how horrific it must have been

He surely died instantly, while they have a lifetime to suffer--what must have happened to a toddler's head if it was shot at close range is one of those things that would scar the most hardened person.... You're right. They will never, ever, ever, ever get over that even after one or both of them get out of prison. Neither will the first responders.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:36 PM

16. OK, I'm maybe going to flamed for this...

but dad was a police officer???

the gun was left at "eye level" for the toddler???

LIHOP?

I mean, come on, dad had to know that this was dangerous. All responsible gun owners not to leave loaded weapons within the reach of toddlers.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:42 PM

17. Did you guys read the article?

His father is a COP, for crying out loud!!! I don't care if gun wasn't his service revolver!! What kind of idiot leaves a gun at a two year old's eye level? I can't even begin to understand the grief these folks must be feeling now, and their guilt must be horrific, but come on! Keeping your gun out of sight, and preferably locked up, when children are around, is gun ownership 101.

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:07 AM

37. Not just a gun - a loaded gun, with a round in the chamber, and the safety off,

left where a toddler could easily grab it.



mikey_the_rat

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Response to mikeytherat (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:10 PM

70. Almost sounds like a set up, doesn't it?

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:47 AM

39. Why do cops have to take their guns home with them?

Lock them up at the station when their shift's over. Is there a reason why they don't?

A gun is a work tool just as much as any other piece of equipment is for any other worker. When your day is done, you leave your tools at work.

Criminal negligence in the extreme, because I imagine the guy is so used to having his revolver with him all the time that he obviously doesn't think about where he leaves the damn thing.

My heart breaks for that child. The parents will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, which may be punishment enough, knowing that the whole tragedy was easily preventable.

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:24 AM

44. Being a police officer doesn't mean you're any smarter than anyone else

 

Or any dumber.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:45 PM

19. Something smells about this...can't put my finger on it just yet but i din't like the sound of it.

 

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Response to nanabugg (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:12 AM

25. It smells alright...

Father is a cop. I hope his boss reviews his employment with the department. And they didn't see it happen? Were they not in the same room with their toddler? The only room my toddlers were allowed to be alone in was their rooms and no guns were allowed in there. None were allowed in the house actually. Anyway, I don't get this why was this toddler even alone? Why was a gun at eye level? And worse, was this how it really happened?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:40 AM

33. Well, toddlers are left alone while sleeping... and from there they can wander.

My grandson used to wake up 5am, 4am, 3am to get into the kitchen and climb up into the cupboard to the tip top shelf to find the candy.

My son had to resort to sleeping on the couch so he could hear the french door open from hallway to living room where kid had to pass in order to get to the kitchen.

My son at two used to climb out of his crib in the middle of the night and I put a mattress on the floor to keep him from cracking his head open. I'm a light sleeper and I didn't get a lot of sleep for years, but kids at that age are full of vim and vigor. Keeping them safe is a full time job.

Still, guns, knives, poisons, medicines, candy... all kinds of things locked up or not in the house at all during that age to play it safe.

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Response to Tigress DEM (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:19 PM

90. One of the reasons my kids all slept with me. I slept light "just in case." nt

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Response to nanabugg (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:37 AM

26. Agreed.

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Response to nanabugg (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:30 AM

47. yeah, the circumstances of significant congenital health problems

raises some issues. i'd be curious to know what the prognosis was in terms of necessary ongoing treatment as well as quality of life.

terribly tragic regardless

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Response to nanabugg (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:19 PM

58. Call me a cynic, but I detect the same strange scent (n/t)

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:57 PM

22. Ho hum. Just another day of carnage in Gun Humping Amurika.

Just some collateral damage of the NRA. Move along, nothing to see.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:58 PM

23. Saddest thread on here.


Poor kid. Coming through so much only to be betrayed by parent stupidity.

I can't imagine how those two must feel. The negligence charges are the least of their pains. With prison they'll eventually be released, but there will be no parole or probation from their guilt.

Sometimes irony is sad and not funny, and sometimes life's lessons are suffered rather than learned.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:37 PM

24. Put the frickin' cretin parents in jail for negligent homicide, child abuse/neglect, whatever.

People need to be charged for this kind of shit. Noooo excuse for such blatant negligence.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:43 AM

28. A two-year-old who was sick at birth holds a gun so as to be able to pull the trigger and shoot his

eye?

I have a two-year-old grandson. I have difficulty picturing him having that kind of dexterity and strength although he is unusually well coordinated and strong. That is quite an "accident." Could really be an accident, but that is a strange story. It deserves some serious investigation.

A child of two can turn pages in a book, build with large legos, put a few blocks of shapes through a shape form, but he can barely, just barely hold a pencil to draw, paste things on paper. He can open doors and even some buckles but takes a bit of focus to do it. Can't put his own shoes on quite yet although he can take them off very well and is getting pretty close to putting them on.

I don't know how much strength and dexterity it takes to pull the trigger on a gun, but this just seems strange to me. Had he played with the gun before? Did someone think it was cute to show this child how to use the gun? Was someone fooling around with it in the child's view?

Why was a loaded gun left where this child could get hold of it? The gun had to have been loaded. I thought safe gun practices required guns to be unloaded when not in use. Could someone please explain this to me.

Maybe the boy was close to three. I don't know, but . . . .

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:33 PM

63. It takes very little strength and dexterity.

Place the gun on a flat surface (floor, table) pointed at the ceiling. Hook both thumbs over the trigger. Lean your body weight onto the hands, which puts the child's head over the barrel. 10-14 pounds later, bang.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:38 AM

32. Welcome to Utah

A cop letting this happen is inexcusable. But people tote around here everywhere and thankfully, I have only been threatened once.. in a grocery store for being in someone's way in the line.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:45 AM

34. I have no words for this..

None.. at all.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:16 AM

35. the Gungeon devotees haven't gotten the memo to post in here yet

interesting to see when they do.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:15 AM

41. I premptively ignored most of them.

but this thread may bring out the few I missed.

poor kid.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:06 PM

57. They're not interesting at all.

Rightists are for ignoring.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:53 AM

40. Some dumb parent failed a gun safety course!

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:22 AM

42. Are you sure? I think a police officer knows not to leave a gun out

with a toddler running around, right?

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=22175824&nid=148

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:23 AM

43. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools

 

Every parent should know that you can't leave an unsecured firearm lying around, especially when children are present.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #43)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:13 AM

49. If that father needs a class to learn not to leave loaded sidearms around toddlers

then there's not much else to say about him...

I know it doesn't really matter, since the kid is dead either way, but I'm not convinced the kid wasn't accidentally shot by the mother or father...The whole "Me and my wife were in one room, and the gun and our son were in another room, when all of a sudden..." -story seems a little too neat...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #49)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:38 AM

53. The father appears to be a cop

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #53)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:45 AM

54. Which makes his negligence even more suspicious...

Unless he was one of those weirdos who has loaded guns on every tabletop and unsecured cabinet..

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:47 AM

55. I have several cops in my extended family

They are all like this with their guns, as are their LEO buddies. They leave them laying around, they are terrible shots, they don't even know how to properly maintain their weapons. It really appalls me to see how act like their guns are fishing rods or something instead of weapons.

This death is such a tragedy.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:20 PM

59. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #43)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:54 AM

79. And who will teach/certify the safety course, those approved by NRA leadership -- Norquist, Bolton,

Nugent, gun manufacturers, and worse?

Some day we will quit glamorizing guns in our society.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #79)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:01 AM

80. Local law enforcement agencies, shooting ranges, gun clubs, colleges, retired military people

 

There are plenty of good people out there, Hoyt.

Some day we will quit glamorizing guns in our society.

If you think that teaching young people how to avoid getting injured or killed is glamorizing something, I submit that you have a very badly distorted view of life.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #80)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:10 AM

82. I think promotion of guns -- under guise of training, or whatever -- has no place in school.

As to my, or your, view of society -- how about those who carry guns in public parks, restaurants, bars, etc. How does that improve our society?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #82)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:15 AM

85. Does teaching kids the dangers of unsafe sex promote sex?

 

Does teaching them how to drive safely and not get into horrific car crashes promote driving?

...how about those who carry guns in public parks, restaurants, bars, etc. How does that improve our society?

Improvement of society is not the issue. People carry guns for self-defense. As long as it doesn't harm society, it's not a problem and it's really none of your business.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #85)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:24 AM

87. Guns and sex are hardly in the same category, unless one is really into their guns.

People carry guns for a lot of reasons, most aren't good reasons.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #87)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:29 AM

88. Your logic is flawed, and I don't accept your claim of insight into millions of peoples' motivations

 

Millions of people you haven't met.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:29 AM

46. The father has to get charged for this, right??

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:35 AM

50. The father is a police officer

Who are legally allowed to have guns in every state, and whom many think should be the only people to be allowed to have guns. I have LEOs in my family, and this just drives home what I have said IRL and on here: all the cops I know are not just terrible shots, but also know very little about either gun safety nor gun handling. They also, like this gentleman, are notorious for leaving their pistol all over the place, loaded and racked, even with kids around.

This is such a horrible death. That poor little boy.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:38 PM

65. "Guns' inevitable targets are family members."

 

Really? So every home that contains a gun leads to the death of one family member?

That is what your statement would mean if it were true.

/also he was a cop. So disarming civilians by removing the 2nd amendment entirely would have done precisely nothing to protect this kid. Some parents are idiots. Some idiot parents kill their kids. Some idiot parents kill their kids with a gun. Others use a bathtub. Or prescription medicine. The common ground here isn't the gun.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:07 PM

72. .. :(

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:15 PM

73. Mommy and daddy need to go to jail now for negligent homicide at a minimum. This was no accident

 

as far as I'm concerned.

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