Tue Sep 18, 2012, 04:48 PM
Newsjock (9,871 posts)
Police can start enforcing Ariz. immigration law, judge rules
Source: Associated Press
A judge has ruled that police in Arizona can immediately start enforcing the most contentious section of the state's immigration law, marking the first time officers can carry out a requirement that officers, while enforcing other laws, question the immigration status of those suspected of being in the country illegally. The decision on Tuesday by U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton is the latest milestone in a two-year legal battle over the requirement. It culminated in a U.S. Supreme Court decision in June that upheld the provision on the grounds that it doesn't conflict with federal law. Opponents who call the requirement the "show me your papers" provision responded to the Supreme Court decision by asking Bolton to block the requirement on different grounds, arguing that it would lead to systematic racial profiling and unreasonably long detentions of Latinos if it's enforced. Other less controversial parts of the law have been in effect since July 2010, such as minor changes to the state's 2005 immigrant smuggling law and a ban on state and local government agencies from restricting the enforcement of federal immigration law. But those provisions have gotten little, if any, use since they were put into effect. Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20120918arizona-immigration-law-police-can-start-enforcing-judge-rules.html
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23 replies, 2421 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| Newsjock | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| atreides1 | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| freshwest | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| Hey Jude | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| CreekDog | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| Hey Jude | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| CreekDog | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| Hey Jude | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| CreekDog | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| freshwest | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| SoapBox | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| Wernothelpless | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| IggleDoer | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| defacto7 | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| NutmegYankee | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| KamaAina | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| elbloggoZY27 | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| olddad56 | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| AlphaCentauri | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| freshwest | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| AlphaCentauri | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| fascisthunter | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| defacto7 | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| lynne | Sep 2012 | #23 |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 04:59 PM
atreides1 (10,176 posts)
1. Question
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Will the officers be wearing lightning runes or have a hammer and sickle arm band?
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:00 PM
freshwest (31,524 posts)
2. Let's see them try this gambit on the native americans there. Could go both ways.
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Okay, I got nothing. This is gonna suck. I wonder if I was driving there if they'd ask me for my papers. If they didn't, that would be unfair.
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Response to freshwest (Reply #2)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:40 PM
Hey Jude (67 posts)
6. If you were driving absolutely they would
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But since your DL, proof of insurance and registration are considered your "papers" you'd be just fine.
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Response to Hey Jude (Reply #6)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:57 PM
CreekDog (37,145 posts)
11. No, DL is not enough, my DL was granted without a birth certificate
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as was that of many of my friends here in California.
there are still states that don't require birth certificates or proof of citizenship to get a DL. the Arizona law doesn't count these states' DLs as adequate. in other words, to avoid being detained, an American citizen needs to carry a Passport and/or Birth Certificate because of the stupidest law in the USA, which Arizona has now. |
Response to CreekDog (Reply #11)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:38 PM
Hey Jude (67 posts)
13. I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that
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My AZ DL was issued without a BC based on my MN DL which was also issued without a BC, and they didn't even invalidate the MN one.
And that was only 5 years ago. |
Response to Hey Jude (Reply #13)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:46 PM
CreekDog (37,145 posts)
15. I read the law, you are relying on "hope"
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try reading the law next time.
A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: and in case you didn't know, there are 49 other states, whose citizens, like myself, would not have an "Arizona Driver's license". Without an Arizona driver's license, my proof (otherwise I'm assumed "guilty", having to prove my innocence then) couldn't be my driver's license if I'm from a state that doesn't require proof before granting one. |
Response to CreekDog (Reply #15)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:42 PM
Hey Jude (67 posts)
16. There is no such thing as an Arizona Ministry of Citizenship
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You have been taken in by a hoax. The "law" you linked to is on a blog site.
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Response to Hey Jude (Reply #16)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:41 AM
CreekDog (37,145 posts)
22. the text is correct, if you weren't ignorant of the law, you'd know that
Response to Hey Jude (Reply #6)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:28 PM
freshwest (31,524 posts)
20. Because I'm white? What if my brown friends were in the car? Or driving?
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Isn't that what the objection is in all these stories?
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:16 PM
SoapBox (5,825 posts)
3. I say...
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Last edited Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:19 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) folks of any color to their skin (no, a burn on some fat white guy, doesn't count), legal or not...
time to leave AZ behind. Let them enjoy their Living in the Stone Age mentality. p.s..."officers can carry out a requirement that officers, while enforcing other laws, question the immigration status of those suspected of being in the country illegally." And.........again, what are those standards going to be? Brown skin? Older car? Walking down the sidewalk? That crap about, "while enforcing other laws", hell they can stop you for just being alive. Such bullshit. |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:30 PM
Wernothelpless (242 posts)
4. Goodbye Arizona ...
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Last edited Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:36 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Gonna miss you, Sedona ... Too bad, spring-training ... oh well ...
Has anyone studied how much revenue Arizona is losing because of it's extremist polices? ... Here's one from last year .... Phoenix Says Immigration Law Boycott Is Causing ‘Near Economic Crisis’ http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/phoenix_says_immigration_law_boycott_is_causing_ne.php I know I ignore invitations from Arizona travel businesses .... |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:33 PM
IggleDoer (991 posts)
5. From now on, I'll be driving through Maricopa County wearing a sombrero.
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Let them ask for my effen papers!
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Response to IggleDoer (Reply #5)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:10 PM
defacto7 (3,346 posts)
18. Actually, that's a great protest.
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Everyone put on cliché Mexican clothing and drive through Arizona. See what they do!!!
Now That would be a tell !!! |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:25 PM
NutmegYankee (4,833 posts)
7. Better start putting applications into the Auto Parts stores...
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I see tons and tons of "broken tail light" tickets coming your way!
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:31 PM
KamaAina (45,246 posts)
8. Sus papeles, por favor.
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Ihre Papiere, bitte.
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:44 PM
elbloggoZY27 (283 posts)
9. One Giant Step Backwards
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A am waiting for the first United States Citizen or Native American to get arrested in Arizona .
Going to happen. |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:47 PM
olddad56 (2,836 posts)
10. First Arizona, next they will be doing this in the US.
Response to olddad56 (Reply #10)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:41 PM
AlphaCentauri (6,455 posts)
14. Next year
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DHS is on track to expand Secure Communities to all law enforcement jurisdictions nationwide during fiscal year 2013.
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:35 PM
AlphaCentauri (6,455 posts)
12. This law is aimed to Obama
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They are eager to see the president there to ask for his birth certificate
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:50 PM
fascisthunter (28,608 posts)
17. bigotry runs Arizona...
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...how pathetic and sad. Sorry to any DUers from AZ. I know it's a beautiful state with many decent folks there, but politically, that state is in trouble.
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:13 PM
defacto7 (3,346 posts)
19. Everyone who want's to protest
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Put on "Mexican" stuff when you go out to drive. Put 6 people in the car a a time. The cliché would be enough to make Arizona sheriff's office go nuts.
Haaa... that would be fantastic! |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:24 AM
lynne (2,956 posts)
23. A similar law was passed in Prince William Co., VA in 2007 -
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- they since amended it so that they confirm the immigration status of all persons taken into custody but they retained the ability to inquire as to immigration status without arrest should they have reason to do so. There were other aspects to the ordinance having to do with county services that would not be available to illegal immigrants.
Initially there was concern that people would be profiled, which is why they amended it so that they confirm status of all arrested persons. |

