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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 06:48 AM

Blue Yorker (436 posts)

 

Looking, Very Closely, for Voter Fraud

Source: New York Times

It might as well be Harry Potter’s invisible Knight Bus, because no one can prove it exists.

The bus has been repeatedly cited by True the Vote, a national group focused on voter fraud. Catherine Engelbrecht, the group’s leader, told a gathering in July about buses carrying dozens of voters showing up at polling places during the recent Wisconsin recall election.

“Magically, all of them needed to register and vote at the same time,” Ms. Engelbrecht said. “Do you think maybe they registered falsely under false pretenses? Probably so.”

Weeks later, another True the Vote representative told a meeting of conservative women about a bus seen at a San Diego polling place in 2010 offloading people “who did not appear to be from this country.”

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/us/politics/groups-like-true-the-vote-are-looking-very-closely-for-voter-fraud.html?_r=1&hp&pagewanted=print


Nobody has ever given a license plate of this ghost bus which does not exist. Good article.

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Reply Looking, Very Closely, for Voter Fraud (Original post)
 Blue Yorker Sep 2012 OP
LineReply Race Card Anybody?
 oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #1
LineLineReply Stupid Card is more like it.
 pscot Sep 2012 #8
LineLineLineReply No, it's race...
 Atman Sep 2012 #10
LineLineLineNew Reply Is
 oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #19
LineReply Good exposure in the NYT!! K&R
 hue Sep 2012 #2
LineReply It's an advantage that such organizations have
 Turbineguy Sep 2012 #3
LineReply Another witch hunt... ie. weapons of mass distraction...
 midnight Sep 2012 #4
LineReply they just can't believe that, that many people voted for the black guy
 Heather MC Sep 2012 #5
LineReply “who did not appear to be from this country.”
 liberal N proud Sep 2012 #6
LineLineReply What that means is that they were not American Indians.
 RC Sep 2012 #9
LineLineLineReply Here's what a Mexican vote-frauder looks like:
 sofa king Sep 2012 #13
LineReply Idiots.
 wildeyed Sep 2012 #7
LineReply Hundreds of millions of cell phones with cameras, and yet NOT. ONE. PIC.
 Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #11
LineReply I should have taken pictures.
 FredStembottom Sep 2012 #12
LineReply In Wisconsin what some saw were Illinois people
 EC Sep 2012 #14
LineLineNew Reply There were published photographs of vans transporting people to the polls
 HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #26
LineReply I have seen that bus.
 KevTucky Sep 2012 #15
LineReply Do these people really believe in their own bullshit?
 Ian_rd Sep 2012 #16
LineLineReply Yes they believe their own bullshit
 TrogL Sep 2012 #18
LineLineLineNew Reply +1
 Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #23
LineLineNew Reply See, to them, there is no such thing as a "legitimate minority" vote.
 harmonicon Sep 2012 #20
LineLineLineNew Reply I can go on an occasional anti-Conservative tirade like anyone else around here ...
 Ian_rd Sep 2012 #25
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Well, I think it's more gullible than evil...
 harmonicon Sep 2012 #27
LineReply I've run across people in San Diego who did not appear to be from this planet
 Retrograde Sep 2012 #17
LineNew Reply ms. engelbrecht was apolitical until 2008 when "...I don't know, something clicked"
 frylock Sep 2012 #21
LineNew Reply common cause
 khan8 Sep 2012 #22
LineNew Reply How's the 800,000 disenfranchised Pennsylvanians coming along?
 SIDURI Sep 2012 #24
LineNew Reply The tried to get me off the Voter Rolls too....
 Samjm Sep 2012 #28

Response to Blue Yorker (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:00 AM

oldsarge54 (582 posts)

1. Race Card Anybody?

"Who did not appear to be from this country." A pox on every small minded twit who claims Obama plays the race card and divides the country. And Madam Engelbrecht, there have been get out the vote transport for those without wheels for decades. Even Republicans have been doing that.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 08:45 AM

Star Member pscot (13,916 posts)

8. Stupid Card is more like it.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:23 AM

Star Member Atman (26,067 posts)

10. No, it's race...

Last edited Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:24 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

The woman heading up True The Vote gives a very revealing quote in the article...she was apolitical, just a church-going mom, until the election of 2008, "something clicked" and she realized this was not the America was going in a direction she did not want for her children. Her first foray into voter fraud activism was to target Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, a black Democrat from Houston. The woman is a Tea Bagger, and virtually all of her activism is directed against minority neighborhoods.

Stupid, sure. But if it walks like a racist and quacks like a racist, it's probably a racist quack.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:53 PM

oldsarge54 (582 posts)

19. Is

Is there a difference between race card and stupidity? I've always equated the two.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:05 AM

hue (2,547 posts)

2. Good exposure in the NYT!! K&R

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:24 AM

Star Member Turbineguy (16,545 posts)

3. It's an advantage that such organizations have

the boundless gullibility of conservatives.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:29 AM

midnight (23,442 posts)

4. Another witch hunt... ie. weapons of mass distraction...

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:44 AM

Heather MC (4,805 posts)

5. they just can't believe that, that many people voted for the black guy

:LOL:

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 08:02 AM

Star Member liberal N proud (43,697 posts)

6. “who did not appear to be from this country.”

Someone is going to have to tell me what that looks like?



The stupid part is that people believe that shit!

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 08:51 AM

Star Member RC (21,630 posts)

9. What that means is that they were not American Indians.

Or, if somewhere in the South Western part of the country, they were not Mexicans either.

What does an American look like? What does an American citizen, born here, look like? What language do they speak?

And of the bus... School bus, church bus, charter bus, private bus, city bus, grey Hound? And as mentioned, anybody get the plates?

Illegals trying to keep their heads down to avoid detection, voting? Come on now. Can't the Republicans do any better than that?

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:27 PM

sofa king (8,695 posts)

13. Here's what a Mexican vote-frauder looks like:

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 08:26 AM

Star Member wildeyed (6,863 posts)

7. Idiots.

Just a bunch of empty accusations and they never, never have any proof. After all this time, money and energy, they STILL have no proof. You would think the smarter ones would start to be embarrassed, but they seem to just double down harder.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:32 AM

Ikonoklast (21,631 posts)

11. Hundreds of millions of cell phones with cameras, and yet NOT. ONE. PIC.

I guess every Republican is either a feeble-minded fool that either doesn't trust cell phones and refuses to have one or just keeps taking a picture of his nose every time one of the Ghost Buses roll on by.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:12 PM

Star Member FredStembottom (2,803 posts)

12. I should have taken pictures.

Took a short trip along interstate 94 near St. cloud, Minnesota yesterday.

There was a parade of voter fraud is real / voter fraud is epidemic billboards that I thought would never stop. One even accuses Minnesota of being "#1 in voter fraud" (if your state has the same billboard get a picture and I'll drive back up to get one of our Minnesota billboard. Post here and let me know).

I thought I might get shot or something with my "I oppose voter ID" bumper sticker!

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:43 PM

Star Member EC (11,410 posts)

14. In Wisconsin what some saw were Illinois people

that came up to help with GOTV. They didn't vote and they didn't come up in a bus. They came in mini vans that were used to give people rides to the polls. So yeah, one would see some people being brought to the polls in vans with Illinois license plates. No people coming in and voting from other states.

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Tue Sep 18, 2012, 08:15 AM

HereSince1628 (26,665 posts)

26. There were published photographs of vans transporting people to the polls

It's a fairly straight forward thing for someone to use slipperly pronouns to hyperbolize a van into a bus.

It requires a few steps more to demonstrate that something else (paranoia, propaganda, etc) is the underlying reason for projecting a distorted reality onto the intent of registering voters.

But the consistent pattern of over-estimated claims of voter fraud compared to discovered voter fraud reinforces the notion that True the Vote is working a distorted reality.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 02:08 PM

KevTucky (70 posts)

15. I have seen that bus.

It is the Magic School Bus. I used to see it every mornig when my girls were little. Ms. Frizzle is driving it around the country.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 02:11 PM

Ian_rd (2,027 posts)

16. Do these people really believe in their own bullshit?

I honestly don't understand. Are these True The Vote Jim Crow thugs really suffering under the illusion that there is a massive, secret voter fraud campaign run by Democrats? Or are they aware, if only deep down, that they are trying to suppress legitimate minority, elderly, poor, and student votes?

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:20 PM

Star Member TrogL (31,269 posts)

18. Yes they believe their own bullshit

They construct an alternative reality for themselves, then immerse themselves in it. To see it in action, watch Fox News.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:19 PM

Blue_Tires (31,696 posts)

23. +1

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:00 PM

harmonicon (11,934 posts)

20. See, to them, there is no such thing as a "legitimate minority" vote.

They feel that only white, English-speaking people are True Americans (tm).

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Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:56 AM

Ian_rd (2,027 posts)

25. I can go on an occasional anti-Conservative tirade like anyone else around here ...

... but I always checked myself back to thinking that they are freedom-loving people who just have a different idea of how our nation can be the best it can be and offer the best opportunity for all. But this shit, this shit just blows it out of the water. They're going backwards for fuck sake - to actively try and deny people the right to vote because they're likely to vote in a way that is distasteful to them.

I know this is obvious by now, but holy shit I didn't want to believe that so many people could be so evil and/or gullible in a nation that supposedly prides itself in peaceful disagreements battled with words and ideas.

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Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:59 PM

harmonicon (11,934 posts)

27. Well, I think it's more gullible than evil...

Last edited Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:00 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

though the philosopher Alain Badiou has a definition of "evil" which I think a lot of the modern political process has the chance of falling into.

What used to baffle me was how people could press so hard to have laws about others which conform to their religious views while also claiming to love the USA. Of course, if it weren't for the USA's history of religious freedom, they may not even be able to practice their religion. Now, I'm pretty sure that they just don't care. They want theocracy and don't care about the rights of others.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 02:47 PM

Star Member Retrograde (3,326 posts)

17. I've run across people in San Diego who did not appear to be from this planet

and I suspect the woman quoted is one of them. How does one visually identify what country a person is from? Especially in a place like San Diego, which has a somewhat diverse population.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:03 PM

Star Member frylock (19,044 posts)

21. ms. engelbrecht was apolitical until 2008 when "...I don't know, something clicked"

gosh, i wonder what it was?

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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:15 PM

khan8 (10 posts)

22. common cause

sent out a call for volunteers a week ago. Or; that's when I saw it. Apparently True the Vote & similar groups are planning to show up at voting places to intimidate voters. Voters who don't fit their profile.
This petition was to ask people to counter intimidation by being a poll worker/monitor. I enlisted (not sure if that's the right word). Basically it's to report intimidation when seen & inform voters.
Here's a link.
http://www.allthingsreform.org/2012/08/sign-up-to-be-poll-worker-or-poll.html

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Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:00 AM

SIDURI (67 posts)

24. How's the 800,000 disenfranchised Pennsylvanians coming along?

We should ALL be a helluva lot more worried about how many voters are being purged from the rolls and suppressed and otherwise losing their right to vote across the nation. By design, if the GOP gets its way in this, it WILL be enough to swing the election away from the landslide that is rightfully building for Obama's re-election.

What is the NY Times saying about them and the rollback of the Voting Rights Act? The only one I ever hear discussing it on the TV machine is Rachel Maddow.

Siduri

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:17 AM

Star Member Samjm (319 posts)

28. The tried to get me off the Voter Rolls too....

This is an issue near and dear to me. Here in CO, our Repub. Sec of State has been on a witchhunt to remove voters from the voter's rolls too. Last month I received a letter from him demanding that I prove I am a citizen or withdraw from the rolls.

See, 12 years ago, when I came to the US I used my green card to get my CO Driver's License. 2 years ago when I became a citizen I registered to vote. Apparently this raised some red flags.

Here's a story about the debacle. I'm quoted a few times on pg 2:
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/08/scott_gessler_non_citizens_legal_voters.php

Almost every single person who got the letter was later shown to be a citizen. About 141 people needed further investigation to confirm.

Waste of time and taxpayer money. Ridiculous!

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