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Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:43 PM

Obama Plays Hardball and Egypt’s Morsi Folds

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Source: JuanCole

The attack on the US consulate in Benghazi happened because the Libyan government is still weak, rebuilding after its revolution against Muammar Qaddafi. But there was no doubt that the new government was a friend of the US ambassador who was killed, Chris Stevens, or that it would mobilize to deal with the cells of the Ansar al-Shariah extremists that launched the attack. Pro-America demonstrations regretting the attack on the consulate have been held all over Libya.

The puzzle comes in Egypt, where the government and security forces are strong, but were not deployed in force to protect the US embassy (unlike in the past), and where newly elected president Mohammad Morsi, of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party, did not explicitly condemn the small crowd that tried to invade the embassy grounds on Tuesday and which tore down the American flag.

Morsi was no doubt himself offended by the trailer on Youtube of a movie villifying the Prophet Muhammad, and he was probably concerned to not be outflanked by Muslim forces to his right, the Salafi Nour Party or the Gama’ah Islamiya (formerly a terrorist organization that has given up violence). But his declining to make a firm statement in defense of the sanctity of foreign embassies annoyed the Obama administration mightily.

In an interview with Telemundo, President Barack Obama showed his annoyance with Morsi:

Read more: http://www.juancole.com/2012/09/obama-plays-hardball-and-egypts-morsi-folds.html

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:50 PM

1. It was a very artful comment. Morsi knows damn well what the dollar amount is on the check we

write to Egypt. He'd be in a world of hurt without that bit-o-help. And he can't rely on Saudi Arabia to make up the diff, either.

Basically, Obama was saying "You be mean to me? I'll be mean to you."

“I don’t think that we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy,” the president said.

“I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident,” Obama said.

“Certainly in this situation, what we’re going to expect is that they are responsive to our insistence that our embassy is protected, our personnel is protected,” Obama said.

.....Obama was playing hardball with Morsi, trying to impress upon him that the status of ‘major non-NATO ally’ is not automatic now that the Muslim Brotherhood is in control. It will have to be re-earned, at least from Obama’s point of view. And the lack of response on the embassy attack is not consistent with ally status. Non-NATO ally status is bestowed by a stroke of the presidential pen, so Obama could take it away.


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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:03 PM

3. "Artful" Hardball.

So Obama was technically correct that Egypt is not an ally in the sense that Britain or even Turkey is. But unlike what some media outlets wrote, this statement was no gaffe.


I didn't think so.

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:11 PM

4. He absolutely knew what he was doing--he very cleverly put it to the guy, and said "Don't fucking

play with me." It was measured and deliberate. The only people trying to characterize it as a gaffe are those who don't understand how the diplomacy game is played and who want to paint Obama as what RMoney IS (a clueless buffoon). The message needed to be transmitted, and Obama took the opportunity to do it. Then he tag-teamed Hillary Clinton, who basically told Egypt all would be well if her boss wasn't too pissed off!

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Response to MADem (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:36 PM

5. I'll never forget the interaction of those two...before and after the speeches...

And the speeches and demeanor, oh my, made me so proud of both of them. Class and style...and both can play Hardball.

No wonder the rest of the world supports Obama and likely will support Hillary, should she decide to sun.

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Response to cr8tvlde (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:40 PM

11. +1!!! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:52 PM

6. I agree. And then Morsi GOT THE MESSAGE and folded pretty darn quick :) n/t

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Response to MADem (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:31 PM

10. Brilliant!

Then he tag-teamed Hillary Clinton, who basically told Egypt all would be well if her boss wasn't too pissed off!

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Response to Cha (Reply #10)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:41 PM

12. Reminded me of that Big Time Wrestling the kids used to enjoy!

Our side was the one delivering the "business" with a folding chair!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:57 PM

2. Not LBN original article is from Thursday

Last edited Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:09 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

see : http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014228184

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:54 PM

7. This OP is about Morsi folding. The other one wasn't. n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:05 PM

8. The Juan Cole article is an opinion / editorial

based on earlier news. If you follow the links he provides they go back an AFP news post on Thursday. That's quite aside from the subject being posted here on Thursday.

Aside from that the article in the OP was posted 19 hours ago on Hufpo - I simple search will confirm that.

This does not belong in LBN.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:21 PM

9. It says at the link that the Muslim Brotherhood has condemned the attacks as well.

Morsi is being pressured on both sides.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:43 PM

13. That's probably the biggest part of the piece--now that they "have the power"

they also have a very clear idea on which side their bread is buttered!

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Response to MADem (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:37 AM

14. Actually, it shows they are begging for acceptance in the face of Western propaganda.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:15 AM

15. I think it's more like "Bills to pay; somethin' for nuthin' ain't happenin'..."

Not begging--just looking for that payday and finally figuring out that they need to do the work to get it.

They've got options, but they can't live on love.

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Response to MADem (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:03 AM

16. That's part of it. It's also why they said, "Don't mess with the tourists!"

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:46 AM

17. Locking...

This is an analysis piece. Please consider reposting in Politits 2012 or Good Reads.

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