Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:43 PM
DonViejo (4,714 posts)
Obama Plays Hardball and Egypt’s Morsi FoldsThis discussion thread was locked as off-topic by cyberswede (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum). The attack on the US consulate in Benghazi happened because the Libyan government is still weak, rebuilding after its revolution against Muammar Qaddafi. But there was no doubt that the new government was a friend of the US ambassador who was killed, Chris Stevens, or that it would mobilize to deal with the cells of the Ansar al-Shariah extremists that launched the attack. Pro-America demonstrations regretting the attack on the consulate have been held all over Libya. The puzzle comes in Egypt, where the government and security forces are strong, but were not deployed in force to protect the US embassy (unlike in the past), and where newly elected president Mohammad Morsi, of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party, did not explicitly condemn the small crowd that tried to invade the embassy grounds on Tuesday and which tore down the American flag. Morsi was no doubt himself offended by the trailer on Youtube of a movie villifying the Prophet Muhammad, and he was probably concerned to not be outflanked by Muslim forces to his right, the Salafi Nour Party or the Gama’ah Islamiya (formerly a terrorist organization that has given up violence). But his declining to make a firm statement in defense of the sanctity of foreign embassies annoyed the Obama administration mightily. In an interview with Telemundo, President Barack Obama showed his annoyance with Morsi: Read more: http://www.juancole.com/2012/09/obama-plays-hardball-and-egypts-morsi-folds.html
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| DonViejo | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| MADem | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| Cha | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| MADem | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| cr8tvlde | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| MADem | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| Tx4obama | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| Cha | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| MADem | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| dipsydoodle | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| Tx4obama | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| dipsydoodle | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| Spitfire of ATJ | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| MADem | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| Spitfire of ATJ | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| MADem | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| Spitfire of ATJ | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| cyberswede | Sep 2012 | #17 |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:50 PM
MADem (87,302 posts)
1. It was a very artful comment. Morsi knows damn well what the dollar amount is on the check we
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write to Egypt. He'd be in a world of hurt without that bit-o-help. And he can't rely on Saudi Arabia to make up the diff, either.
Basically, Obama was saying "You be mean to me? I'll be mean to you." “I don’t think that we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy,” the president said.
“I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident,” Obama said. “Certainly in this situation, what we’re going to expect is that they are responsive to our insistence that our embassy is protected, our personnel is protected,” Obama said. .....Obama was playing hardball with Morsi, trying to impress upon him that the status of ‘major non-NATO ally’ is not automatic now that the Muslim Brotherhood is in control. It will have to be re-earned, at least from Obama’s point of view. And the lack of response on the embassy attack is not consistent with ally status. Non-NATO ally status is bestowed by a stroke of the presidential pen, so Obama could take it away. http://www.juancole.com/2012/09/obama-plays-hardball-and-egypts-morsi-folds.html |
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Response to MADem (Reply #1)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:03 PM
Cha (125,807 posts)
3. "Artful" Hardball.
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So Obama was technically correct that Egypt is not an ally in the sense that Britain or even Turkey is. But unlike what some media outlets wrote, this statement was no gaffe.
I didn't think so. |
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Response to Cha (Reply #3)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:11 PM
MADem (87,302 posts)
4. He absolutely knew what he was doing--he very cleverly put it to the guy, and said "Don't fucking
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play with me." It was measured and deliberate. The only people trying to characterize it as a gaffe are those who don't understand how the diplomacy game is played and who want to paint Obama as what RMoney IS (a clueless buffoon). The message needed to be transmitted, and Obama took the opportunity to do it. Then he tag-teamed Hillary Clinton, who basically told Egypt all would be well if her boss wasn't too pissed off!
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Response to MADem (Reply #4)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:36 PM
cr8tvlde (1,171 posts)
5. I'll never forget the interaction of those two...before and after the speeches...
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And the speeches and demeanor, oh my, made me so proud of both of them. Class and style...and both can play Hardball.
No wonder the rest of the world supports Obama and likely will support Hillary, should she decide to sun. |
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Response to cr8tvlde (Reply #5)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:40 PM
MADem (87,302 posts)
11. +1!!! nt
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Response to MADem (Reply #4)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:52 PM
Tx4obama (29,944 posts)
6. I agree. And then Morsi GOT THE MESSAGE and folded pretty darn quick :) n/t
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Response to MADem (Reply #4)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:31 PM
Cha (125,807 posts)
10. Brilliant!
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Then he tag-teamed Hillary Clinton, who basically told Egypt all would be well if her boss wasn't too pissed off! |
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Response to Cha (Reply #10)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:41 PM
MADem (87,302 posts)
12. Reminded me of that Big Time Wrestling the kids used to enjoy!
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Our side was the one delivering the "business" with a folding chair!
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:57 PM
dipsydoodle (33,188 posts)
2. Not LBN original article is from Thursday
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Last edited Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:09 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) |
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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #2)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:54 PM
Tx4obama (29,944 posts)
7. This OP is about Morsi folding. The other one wasn't. n/t
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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #7)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:05 PM
dipsydoodle (33,188 posts)
8. The Juan Cole article is an opinion / editorial
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based on earlier news. If you follow the links he provides they go back an AFP news post on Thursday. That's quite aside from the subject being posted here on Thursday.
Aside from that the article in the OP was posted 19 hours ago on Hufpo - I simple search will confirm that. This does not belong in LBN. |
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:21 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (7,899 posts)
9. It says at the link that the Muslim Brotherhood has condemned the attacks as well.
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Morsi is being pressured on both sides.
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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #9)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:43 PM
MADem (87,302 posts)
13. That's probably the biggest part of the piece--now that they "have the power"
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they also have a very clear idea on which side their bread is buttered!
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Response to MADem (Reply #13)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:37 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (7,899 posts)
14. Actually, it shows they are begging for acceptance in the face of Western propaganda.
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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #14)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:15 AM
MADem (87,302 posts)
15. I think it's more like "Bills to pay; somethin' for nuthin' ain't happenin'..."
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Not begging--just looking for that payday and finally figuring out that they need to do the work to get it.
They've got options, but they can't live on love. |
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Response to MADem (Reply #15)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:03 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (7,899 posts)
16. That's part of it. It's also why they said, "Don't mess with the tourists!"
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:46 AM
cyberswede (11,586 posts)
17. Locking...
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This is an analysis piece. Please consider reposting in Politits 2012 or Good Reads.
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