Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:00 AM
trailmonkee (2,605 posts)
Romney says middle income between $200K and $250KLast edited Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:21 PM USA/ET - Edit history (6)
Source: Huffington Post
BOSTON — Mitt Romney is promising to reduce taxes on middle-income Americans. But how does he define "middle-income"? The Republican presidential nominee defined it as income of $200,000 to $250,000 a year. Romney commented during an interview broadcast Friday on ABC's "Good Morning America." The Census Bureau reported this week that the median household income – the midpoint for the nation – is just over $50,000. The definition of "middle income" or the "middle class" is politically charged. Both presidential candidates are fighting to win over working-class voters. President Barack Obama has defined "middle class" as income up to $250,000 a year. Obama wants to extend Bush-era tax cuts for those making less than $250,000. Romney wants to extend the tax cuts for everyone. Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120914/us-romney/ It is important to note that Obama, a while back, actually said he thought middle class was up to $250k. I remember President Obama got some flack back then, but at least he said 'up to', meaning something like 40k-250k, which is mostly correct. Romney however says it is between 200-250k and less, which is not much different, but it will be heard differently by the public... basically as another 'out of touch' comment. Romney just had the great misfortune of announcing his definition right smack in the final stretch election cycle. Here are some older #'s, I think these are from 2007, which would probably be about the same today considering the recession and growth rates, etc. The way the new york times defines it. Here's one possible way of defining it (by percentiles): Bottom 20% lower class: $0-18,500 lower middle class: $18,500-$34,738 middle class: $34,738-$55,331 upper middle class: $55,331-$88,030 upper class: $88,030+ noting that richest 5% make anything over $157,176 if someone
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| trailmonkee | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| dotymed | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| qanda | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| goclark | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| heaven05 | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| vlyons | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| drm604 | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| jsr | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| Quantess | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| Roland99 | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| april | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| daleo | Sep 2012 | #33 | |
| diabeticman | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| olegramps | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| lobodons | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| tandot | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| bigworld | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| DemKittyNC | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| Douglas Carpenter | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| Roland99 | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| DippyDem | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| bamacrat | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| TexasBushwhacker | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| KANTANA | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| Arugula Latte | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| LibertyLover | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| Arugula Latte | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| sarcasmo | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| mojo2012 | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| Tx4obama | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| tjl148 | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| harmonicon | Sep 2012 | #30 | |
| lonestarnot | Sep 2012 | #32 | |
| Incitatus | Sep 2012 | #34 |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:05 AM
dotymed (4,465 posts)
1. Disgusting!
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:07 AM
qanda (10,011 posts)
2. Talking about out of touch!
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What a doofus!
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:12 AM
goclark (30,404 posts)
3. Keep it coming Mittwit
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Out of touch! |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:19 AM
heaven05 (2,484 posts)
4. man!
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:23 AM
vlyons (345 posts)
5. Given that Mitt is worth $250M (probably much more)
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and that he makes about $20M/yr on investments, I'm surprised that he doesn't think that $10M/yr is median income. Now we know why he recommends that middle class kids just get their college loans from their parents.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:23 AM
drm604 (13,977 posts)
6. Proving once again how out of touch he is with most Americans.
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:25 AM
jsr (3,530 posts)
7. And what country does this asshole live in?
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:25 AM
Quantess (24,208 posts)
8. Only $250,000 per year?
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That is meager living by Romney standards.
Poor dears. How do they get by? Seriously though, I doubt Romney cares all that much about giving them a break, because they are not quite rich enough. You have to make a lot more money than that to get on Romney's tax-cut gravy train. |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:25 AM
Roland99 (36,579 posts)
9. Wow! I must be barely above the poverty line then!!
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and I'm about to be earning nearly 6 digits in a couple of weeks.
What a dumbass! |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:26 AM
april (1,148 posts)
10. how I wish it were true...what planet is he from ?
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:27 AM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
11. It may be the middle if going by mean rather than median.
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I don't know. Just spit-balling.
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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #11)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:18 AM
daleo (19,953 posts)
33. The mean is still a long way off from 250000
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If the mean family income was 250000, the per capita GDP would be north of 100 grand or so. I think it is more like 40000. That is just a rough ballpark estimate.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:28 AM
diabeticman (831 posts)
12. This explains a lot! To Romney's wealth $200,000 is lower middle class.
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This guy can't even imagine what "REAL" middle class family goes through. I would love to take Romney and Queen Ann to an average home give them $60,000.00 and tell them live on this for a year. They probably couldn't do it. They wouldn't have the mental tools to handle it.
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Response to diabeticman (Reply #12)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:35 AM
olegramps (3,931 posts)
16. That is what they spend on the car elevators for their mansions.
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:28 AM
lobodons (668 posts)
13. Well Fine Then
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Well fine then. According to Romney's own definition of Middle Class, Obama wants to give 100% of Middle Class a Tax Cut and will only Tax the "Upper Class" on revenue over $250k (Even they will not be taxed on their first 250K)
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:32 AM
tandot (6,288 posts)
14. Does that mean I'll qualify for food stamps?
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Our income is way, way below that.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:32 AM
bigworld (1,197 posts)
15. Democrats really have no need to campaign anymore
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Romney does a great job for our side all by himself!
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:39 AM
DemKittyNC (463 posts)
17. Our mailbox just threw up
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I just went out to get the mail and all that was in there was two brochures from Rmoney/Lyin stating how Obama lied about taking care of our military and troops and gave a huge list of 'lies' that Obama has supposedly told. I couldn't even read the whole list it was nauseating. Nothing on the brochures about how they will make things better at all. God I hate these bastards!
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:44 AM
Douglas Carpenter (15,359 posts)
18. this story MUST go viral!!!
Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #18)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:53 PM
Roland99 (36,579 posts)
26. it probably will but with the weekend coming up, that will mute the effects.
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:45 AM
DippyDem (420 posts)
19. Show us your 1040s, otherwise just please fuck off with your promises.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:51 AM
bamacrat (3,831 posts)
20. Are those numbers for a houshold ie 2 income earners?
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If so damn. Upper class!!! My wife and I combined make between $110-$120K/year, but I would hardly define us as upper class. RMoney is so out of touch with real people. It saddens me that families have to struggle to get by and work their ass off but some people do nothing but rake in tons of money for nothing.
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Response to bamacrat (Reply #20)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:09 AM
TexasBushwhacker (2,990 posts)
31. Yes, it's household income
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but I know that your standard of living can be vastly different depending on where you live. Make $120K in Houston and you'll be quite comfortable. Make $120K in Manhattan and you'll be living in a 2 bedroom apartment.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:56 PM
KANTANA (32 posts)
21. Mitt we exist too.
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It must be really hard for Mitt to understand that there are people who make less than $200,000 a year. He has never known any such people all his life. I completely understand where Mitt is coming from and I am sympathetic.
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Response to KANTANA (Reply #21)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:33 PM
Arugula Latte (40,560 posts)
24. Oh, he's very aware of us! We're called "The Help."
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:10 PM
LibertyLover (4,134 posts)
22. The GOP powers that be must be collectively
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shivering in their shoes anytime Mitt the Lackwit opens his mouth. I hope that this information gets spread far and wide. What an idiot.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:33 PM
Arugula Latte (40,560 posts)
23. That's it. He's the Douche of the Century.
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:40 PM
sarcasmo (13,560 posts)
25. Robot opens mouth and spews out more out of touch insanity.
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:57 PM
mojo2012 (290 posts)
27. Time for me to get food stamps
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So what does Romney say where people fall if their income is less than $200,000? Poor? Poverty?
Since Romney is fortunate to be able to spend that much every week or month, he has no sense about the average family income. We are no more important than his landscapers, housekeepers, or chefs. We are just ignorant, unedcuated, and simply just not in his league or part of the elite circle |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 06:46 PM
Tx4obama (29,944 posts)
28. Kick! n/t
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:50 PM
tjl148 (31 posts)
29. From the article:
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"It is important to note that Obama, a while back, actually said he thought middle class was up to $250k. I remember President Obama got some flack back then, but at least he said 'up to', meaning something like 40k-250k, which is mostly correct. Romney however says it is between 200-250k and less, which is not much different...."
So according to this article there is "not much" difference between Obama and Romney on the number. Move along, there is nothing to see here. |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:51 PM
harmonicon (11,996 posts)
30. I think that's pretty correct.
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Median income is rarely middle class. The fact that a vast percentage of the poor and working class in the US are convinced that they are middle class is the greatest victory the wealthy elite could ever win.
If you've got one million people who make a dollar a day, one guy who makes a million dollars a day, and another who makes two dollars a day does not mean that the guy making two dollars a day is middle class. |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:11 AM
lonestarnot (71,153 posts)
32. K & R and keep it K & R'd!
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 01:09 AM
Incitatus (4,334 posts)
34. So the top 4% is the middle?
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