Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:02 AM
trailmonkee (2,595 posts)
GOP elector resigns, says she can't support Romney
Source: AP
One of the Republican appointees to the Electoral College abruptly resigned from her post Thursday after publicly questioning whether she would support the party's presidential ticket when casting official votes after the November election. Melinda Wadsley of Ames, Iowa, told The Associated Press that she could not in good conscience vote for party nominee Mitt Romney. Wadsley was among three electors who had told the AP for a story published Thursday that they were exploring alternatives should Romney win their states. "I have always been a straight ticket Republican, and for the first time in my life I am an undecided voter, therefore, I need to resign my position as a Republican presidential elector," Wadsley said in an email exchange. Iowa GOP Chairman A.J. Spiker said in a statement that the state party's central committee would begin the process of selecting a replacement, essentially allowing the party to confirm a die-hard Romney supporter. Wadsley and others had expressed frustration at how Republican leaders have worked to suppress Paul's conservative movement and his legion of loyal supporters. "They've never given Ron Paul a fair shot, and I'm disgusted with that. I'd like to show them how disgusted I am," Wadsley had told the AP earlier, saying she was considering withholding her electoral vote from Romney. She is an Iowa mother of three who was selected as a Republican elector earlier this year and said Paul was the better choice. Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/electoral-college-members-may-pass-on-romney/article_9e86efc1-9b67-5275-a398-b19f0ddc36f5.html not looking good on all sides for these guys
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| trailmonkee | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| left on green only | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| humblebum | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| xxqqqzme | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| humblebum | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| xxqqqzme | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| sofa king | Sep 2012 | #30 | |
| Sirveri | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| marions ghost | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| 24601 | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| humblebum | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| 24601 | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| humblebum | Sep 2012 | #33 | |
| DeSwiss | Sep 2012 | #34 | |
| humblebum | Sep 2012 | #37 | |
| DeSwiss | Sep 2012 | #38 | |
| humblebum | Sep 2012 | #39 | |
| DeSwiss | Sep 2012 | #40 | |
| DeSwiss | Sep 2012 | #41 | |
| humblebum | Sep 2012 | #42 | |
| CreekDog | Sep 2012 | #32 | |
| CreekDog | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| JohnnyRingo | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| JDPriestly | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| goclark | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| aint_no_life_nowhere | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| mikeytherat | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| freshwest | Sep 2012 | #36 | |
| progressoid | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| xfundy | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| Cha | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| trailmonkee | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| mountain grammy | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| Jamaal510 | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| Iris | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| trailmonkee | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| Posteritatis | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| cbrer | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| caseymoz | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| donqpublic | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| KANTANA | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| Zambero | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| craigmatic | Sep 2012 | #35 |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:07 AM
left on green only (1,077 posts)
1. So now the rats are one by one jumping ship?
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Keep bailing mittens.
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Response to left on green only (Reply #1)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:54 AM
humblebum (5,881 posts)
9. There shouldn't even be a person called an "elector." Very undemocratic
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in this day and age.
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Response to humblebum (Reply #9)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:13 AM
xxqqqzme (13,434 posts)
10. I know one of California's
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55 electoral college 'electors'. Solid democrat, loves Obama.
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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #10)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:47 PM
humblebum (5,881 posts)
23. I certainly didn't make any comment on the personal character of electors. I am
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Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:47 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) sure that most of them are upstanding citizens. Nonetheless, the Electoral College in this era of mass media is a disgrace to the idea of "one person, one vote" as well as "a well-informed electorate."
With the existence of the Electoral College your vote is only a suggestion. Dump it. We strive for democracy around the globe but are denied it here. |
Response to humblebum (Reply #23)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:17 AM
xxqqqzme (13,434 posts)
28. I agree. I am
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pissed the millions of votes Obama will receive in California only count as 55 electoral votes. While that is the largest block, it reduces my vote to next to nothing. There will be more people voting for Obama here than the total population of some states!
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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #28)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:08 PM
sofa king (8,707 posts)
30. Think of it as AL, MS, LA, AR, OK, KS, NE, WY, UT, and ID
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Plus one electoral vote. California cancels out every single one of the unfortunate states above which are sure to go in favor of Romney. All of them.
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Response to humblebum (Reply #9)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 06:56 AM
Sirveri (4,249 posts)
16. That is the group of people you vote for in the Presidential elections.
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You don't actually vote for President, you vote for electors who are 'pledged' to vote for the president in the electoral college. It's just a quirk of our system.
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Response to Sirveri (Reply #16)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:13 AM
marions ghost (13,951 posts)
20. A quirk that needs to go the way of the dodo
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Response to humblebum (Reply #9)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:16 PM
24601 (2,494 posts)
26. A Constitutional Republic isn't a Democracy. The degree that it resembles a Democracy would
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not affect it's Constitutional standing.
To change it, there's an amendment process. |
Response to 24601 (Reply #26)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:17 PM
humblebum (5,881 posts)
27. This constitutional republic came about and is maintained by the process of a democracy,
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Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:18 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) with the exception of the Electoral College. Your vote for President is still nothing more than a suggestion as long as it exists. Let's begin the process.
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Response to humblebum (Reply #27)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:50 AM
24601 (2,494 posts)
29. I would have to disagree strongly. Neither in the Declaration of Independence nor in the
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drafting and ratification of the Constitution was any of it put to a democratic vote of the people. It was always by a republic-style methodology where a smaller number represented others.
The US was never a democracy and it's founding documents do not reflect that intent either in words or process. |
Response to 24601 (Reply #29)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:08 PM
humblebum (5,881 posts)
33. So, you do not think that the US is a representative democracy? You might want to consult
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Last edited Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:13 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) the Federalist Papers. The Electoral College made much sense in the 18th and 19th centuries when few ever had any real access to the presidential candidates. But, today when the media allows us to know what color underwear they have on, individuals are more than able to make rational choices based upon what they see and hear.
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Response to humblebum (Reply #33)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:23 PM
DeSwiss (17,223 posts)
34. Strictly speaking, that would be a big 'ol fat: NOPE.
- I might have been -- had there been universal suffrage from the start. But slaves, women, and renters would likely think otherwise......
"It's the old American double-standard -- you know: 'say one thing, do something different.' And of course the country is founded on the double standard, that's our history. We were founded on a very basic double-standard. This country was founded by slave-owners who wanted to be free." ~George Carlin |
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #34)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:22 PM
humblebum (5,881 posts)
37. Over time the enfranchisement of these various groups has led to a much more inclusive system
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and a much more representative democracy.
And nothing in the Constitution suggesting a representative democracy? Just how then was the Constitution ratified by majority of the original 13 states? |
Response to humblebum (Reply #37)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:19 PM
DeSwiss (17,223 posts)
38. How can it be representative now.....
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...if it didn't start that way? Sure it's called representative NOW, but representative of what? Of whom? It didn't represent the original people here, did it? No slaves were presented, were they? No women? No renters? What about them? Don't they count?
- I don't require an answer, I just want you to think about what you say before you say it.
You might want to start here: The Lies My Teacher Told Me |
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #38)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 05:33 PM
humblebum (5,881 posts)
39. You seem to trying to apply today's standards to 18th century society.
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This is not the 18th century, and every citizen over the the age of 18 has a vote. There are some serious flaws in your reasoning.
Yes, votes are counted in this country one person-one vote, except for the presidency. If you want to stay in the past, be my guess. But the world is moving on. Yes, we are both a representative democracy and a republic. |
Response to humblebum (Reply #39)
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Response to humblebum (Reply #39)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:03 PM
DeSwiss (17,223 posts)
41. I know where the flaws are.
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And they aren't with my reasoning.
Good day. |
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #41)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:21 PM
humblebum (5,881 posts)
42. Your reasoning hardly conforms to that of the founders, nor to those who
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precipitated changes in society's changing attitudes toward human and civil rights. Your reasoning is very flawed.
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Response to 24601 (Reply #26)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:56 PM
CreekDog (37,145 posts)
32. Republic or Democracy doesn't make it right or fair
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and doesn't make it as democratic as other representative democracies (small "d") in the Europe.
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Response to humblebum (Reply #9)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:55 PM
CreekDog (37,145 posts)
31. The electoral college is undemocratic, period.
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I agree with you.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:11 AM
JohnnyRingo (9,328 posts)
2. "...confirm a die-hard Romney supporter"
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Scouring the asylums and mental wards as we speak.
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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #2)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:20 AM
JDPriestly (37,764 posts)
11. Look in the ward for the severely depressed. I think that some of the very angry,
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depressed voters I meet are actually Republicans who don't want to admit it to me. In the past, Republicans have been rather aggressive about their candidates and views, but this year, they are being unusually quiet so far. Just not wanting to talk. If somebody hangs their head when I ask them if they want to register, I figure that they are Republican.
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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #2)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:58 AM
goclark (30,404 posts)
15. I almost spilled my water bottle
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I was laughing so hard...
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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #2)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:09 AM
aint_no_life_nowhere (18,936 posts)
17. I don't think I've seen a single enthusiastic Romney supporter on my TV
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who wasn't being paid to be one. And even the paid campaign surrogates don't look that enthusiastic lately.
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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #2)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:44 AM
mikeytherat (6,823 posts)
19. Place an empty chair on a stage and wait. First one to start arguing with the chair wins!
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mikey_the_rat
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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #2)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:12 AM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
36. Her commitment to getting a vote for R$R is the story. She had her 15 minutes of fame and left.
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This means nothing for Democrats. A no-vote, one for Obama or the other guy, would have been helpful. Another brain dead Republican stays brain dead. Thanks for nothing, toots.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:25 AM
progressoid (27,342 posts)
3. Ron Paul 2012!!11!
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:27 AM
xfundy (2,598 posts)
4. Is that a great bumper sticker idea or what?
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(The image on the bottom of your post.)
I love that! |
Response to xfundy (Reply #4)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:32 AM
Cha (124,684 posts)
5. I love it too!
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It's my sig line.
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Response to xfundy (Reply #4)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:02 AM
trailmonkee (2,595 posts)
7. here's a thread with the idea...
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:36 AM
mountain grammy (1,613 posts)
6. and sanity makes a slow but steady return.
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:46 AM
Jamaal510 (3,180 posts)
8. Well if they want to sit it out since their Cult Leader wasn't nominated,
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then by all means go ahead. It'll be less votes for Obama's main opposition, so I'm not complaining!
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:47 AM
Iris (13,879 posts)
12. Because of Ron Paul?
Response to trailmonkee (Reply #14)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:03 PM
Posteritatis (17,306 posts)
24. I can see it. I dislike him, but what they did to him at the RNC was total bull. (nt)
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:48 AM
cbrer (1,831 posts)
13. I'm sure she could support his Ego...
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With a 10 ton crane!
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:40 AM
caseymoz (5,189 posts)
18. lol. "could not, in good conscience"?!!
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Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:41 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) He's done it! Romney has made vacuous mediocrity shocking to the conscience! Not Reagan, not Quayle, not George H. W., not even George W. Bush accomplished that with Republicans!
I think this is a definite turning point in US politics. |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:29 AM
donqpublic (155 posts)
21. Willard
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If you remember, after Willard killed Socrates (Ron Paul), the other rats didn't jump ship...they killed him.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:28 PM
KANTANA (32 posts)
22. I sympathise with this elector.
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It takes a brain dead, thoughtless, hateful and totally uneducated person to vote for Romney. A total ROBOT!!
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:59 PM
Zambero (2,409 posts)
25. She was OK with Palin being a heartbeat way from POTUS...
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but draws the line at the current head of the GOP ticket. Ouch for you, Mittens!
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:16 PM
craigmatic (3,226 posts)


- I might have been -- had there been universal suffrage from the start. But slaves, women, and renters would likely think otherwise......
- I don't require an answer, I just want you to think about what you say before you say it.