Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:59 AM
trailmonkee (2,595 posts)
Movie that set off violence in Middle East produced by Southern California nonprofitLast edited Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:00 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Source: AP
An inflammatory anti-Muslim film that has been blamed in this week's deadly attack on U.S. diplomats in Libya was produced by a Duarte-based Christian non-profit, officials said. Media for Christ, which has its administrative offices south of the 210 Freeway in Duarte, took out a film permit for the production, according to City Manager Darryl George. The producers also used Blue Cloud studios in Santa Clarita, also known as Blue Cloud Movie Ranch, as the film's location, George said. It was filmed in Santa Clarita George said. He said he obtained the information from the L.A. County Sheriff's Department. Read more: http://www.willitsnews.com/ci_21529045/anti-islam-movie-filmed-southern-california
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| trailmonkee | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| Scootaloo | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| Spitfire of ATJ | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| harmonicon | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| Generic Other | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| harmonicon | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| Scootaloo | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| harmonicon | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| JDPriestly | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| trailmonkee | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| Democat | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| aquart | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| ProgressiveEconomist | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| ProgressiveEconomist | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| JDPriestly | Sep 2012 | #30 | |
| SoapBox | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| Tx4obama | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| SleeplessinSoCal | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| Bluenorthwest | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| grasswire | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| jsr | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| Astazia | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| Tunkamerica | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| dhol82 | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| SleeplessinSoCal | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| Astazia | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| fasttense | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| caraher | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| judesedit | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| judesedit | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| Blue_Tires | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| Sunlei | Sep 2012 | #25 |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:16 AM
Scootaloo (5,885 posts)
1. The film spurred protests, not the violence
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The protests were used as cover by a militant group to launch an attack.
Careful distinctions that the media doesn't seem to care about, I guess. |
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 03:52 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (7,392 posts)
11. Also, the media isn't going to mention the ones who carried out the attack,...
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....are Right Wing Fundies that are the mirror image of the Right Wing Christian fundies here who do things like burn churches and mosques and bomb abortion clinics.
Trust me, the local cops (yes, they exist, including detectives) will find these guys because you just KNOW the guilty are bragging about it. Also, the local police HAVE to find these guys due to international pressure. You don't just attack an embassy and walk away from it. Libya is NOT Iran in the 80's. This was NOT a government sanctioned operation and the government there knows it owes it's very existence to the United States' efforts and will do all they can to get these guys. |
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 05:35 AM
harmonicon (11,938 posts)
13. Or you're just buying into our government's attempt to spin this to save face.
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I don't think we have evidence one way or another that the "protests" (protesting what? Free speech?) and the violence were or were not directly related or coordinated.
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Response to harmonicon (Reply #13)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 11:54 AM
Generic Other (20,306 posts)
22. If we are attempting causal analysis
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We must also include the Yemeni Al Q guy they got on Monday...there was heightened tension in the area on 9/11 for a number of reasons.
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Response to Generic Other (Reply #22)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:34 PM
harmonicon (11,938 posts)
24. but of course that's more conjecture...
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What was the date of the second or third most fatal terrorist attacks on the US? What about in other countries? I can't name them. I don't think we should assume that other countries are as consumed with US mass-media-mass-hysteria as we seem to be.
Though, on an interesting note, I just re-learned today that it was this time that Mormon pioneers massacred a wagon-train in Utah - often not given as a terrorist attack in the US, though over a hundred were killed. |
Response to harmonicon (Reply #13)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:32 PM
Scootaloo (5,885 posts)
26. I also believe Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. n/t
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #26)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:41 PM
harmonicon (11,938 posts)
27. So do I!!
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As much as I have evidence for that, I have far more evidence that the US supported royalists, racists, islamists, and other anti-socialists in the recent "revolution."
NATO did their job to a T. Kudos for them. |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:22 AM
JDPriestly (37,760 posts)
2. Agent for Service of Process, etc. per California Sec. of State's website
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Last edited Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:27 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/cbs.aspx
Entity # Date Filed Status C2780715 06/06/2005 ACTIVE Entity Name MEDIA FOR CHRIST Agent for Service of Process JOSEPH NASSRALLA ABDELMASIH A list of Christian-sounding videos: http://www.mediaforchrist.org/topvideos.html Some of the links from Joseph Nassralla Abdelmasih seemed to go to anti-Israel sites having to do maybe with Bethlehem. Frankly, I did not feel very comfortable looking at these weird websites. Maybe someone who know compters and security better than I do could check this out. Some addresses are given at the Sec. of State website, but I don't think I should post them here. This entire link could be a red herring or downright false, and posting more could cause trouble to an innocent person. But the Sec. of State of California's website is public information. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #2)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:24 AM
trailmonkee (2,595 posts)
3. not I...
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the internet can get pretty creepy....
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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #2)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:58 AM
Democat (9,494 posts)
9. If the filmmakers turn out to be anti-Israel and Romney is supporting them, what will it mean?
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Only speculation at this point, but anything is possible.
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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #2)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 03:21 AM
aquart (67,538 posts)
10. Who are their donors?
Response to aquart (Reply #10)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 06:18 AM
ProgressiveEconomist (5,077 posts)
16. See if their IRS Form 990 is in a public database such as
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http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/ or
http://www.guidestar.org/ They are required to list donors on this form. |
Response to ProgressiveEconomist (Reply #16)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:07 AM
ProgressiveEconomist (5,077 posts)
31. ADDRESS, TELEPHONE NUMBERS, EIN, and IRS Form 990 links
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The 2011 Form 990 (PDF URL below) reveals the following information:
Media for Christ 1040 Hamilton Rd Duarte CA 91010 (661)233-8787 EIN 20-3012642 President/Board Chair: Joseph N Abdelmasih Board Member: Rania W Mossad Vice President: Kamal Rizk, CPA. 1649 Stannard Trail, Raleigh, NC 27612. (919)787-9947 The 501(c)(3)'s Gross receipts for 2011 were $1,016,785. "Gifts, grants, contributions, and memebership fees" soared from under $200,000 a year for 2009 and prior years to $633,516 in 2010 and $1,016,366 in 2011. "Forms 1023 (or 1024 if applicable), 990, and 990-T ... available for public inspection" "by request" and on Media for Christ's ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a search at http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/ : "ORGANIZATION_NAME Media for Christ, STATE CA EIN 20-3012642 YEAR TOTAL_ASSETS FORM PAGES URL 2011 $67,166 990 30 http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/990.php?ein=203012642&yr=201112&rt=990&t9=A 2010 $88,362 990 30 http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/990.php?ein=203012642&yr=201012&rt=990&t9=A 2009 $102,209 990EZ 6 http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/990.php?ein=203012642&yr=200912&rt=990EZ&t9=A 2009 $102,209 990ER 4 http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/990.php?ein=203012642&yr=200912&rt=990ER&t9=A 2008 $36,563 990R 3 2008 $36,563 990 25 2007 $0 990R 3 2007 $57,427 990 21 2006 $53,529 990 21 2005 $53,176 990 18 2006 Foundation Center Notice: The IRS has announced processing errors on electronically filed Forms 990 for filing years 2007-2009. Learn moreŻ Your query: ( Organization Name: media for christ , State: "CA" , Zip: 91010 , EIN: None Chosen , Fiscal Year: None Chosen ) 10 documents matched. 10 documents displayed." |
Response to aquart (Reply #10)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:59 AM
JDPriestly (37,760 posts)
30. I don't know. If they are a registered non-profit, but not a religion,
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they have to file extensive tax returns. Used to be, the returns of foundations, etc. were made public, but I don't know how that works nowadays or how to get them.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:26 AM
SoapBox (5,825 posts)
4. And the plot thickens...
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Freaks...that's all I have to say.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:32 AM
Tx4obama (28,965 posts)
5. Hi, the 'source' of the article/link is not the AP.
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Please do an edit to reflect that the source is: The Willits News The two main writers listed at the top of the article are not with the AP. Thank you Tx4obama LBN Host |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:36 AM
SleeplessinSoCal (1,643 posts)
6. We need a better source. willitsnews?
Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #6)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:27 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,185 posts)
21. Willits News is a paper in Mendocino County, a county in CA.
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Been reading that paper most of my life on and off. What basis do you have for sneering at it?
This story is also in the Times, in Los Angeles which is a larger city in California.... |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:43 AM
grasswire (36,707 posts)
7. okay kids. let's get to the root of this.
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I have confidence in the citizen journalists to figure this out.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:44 AM
jsr (3,497 posts)
8. It's in the LA Times:
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 05:20 AM
Astazia (261 posts)
12. Two words: Al Queda
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A grass roots protest on or corresponding with 9-11 or uprising from an indie film usually doesn't usually come with RPGS...not 1, 2, but more than 5.
I believe, from my research thus far, is that a few were used to advance a terrorist agenda. I know grenade launchers are not for sale onon the open market or Ebay. This smells planned as planned gets. I vould be wrong but this appears staged. Any one agree-disagree? |
Response to Astazia (Reply #12)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 05:40 AM
Tunkamerica (4,355 posts)
14. please elucidate on your research.
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I'm sure we'd all like to be clued in.
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Response to Astazia (Reply #12)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 05:56 AM
dhol82 (107 posts)
15. agree
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Rachel was positing Al Queda last night. The rioting was one thing, the rpg attack on the embassy another. Possibly related to the death of Al-Libi in June.
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Response to dhol82 (Reply #15)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:06 AM
SleeplessinSoCal (1,643 posts)
28. Looks like an Egyptian Christian Sect - Coptic Christian
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Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:07 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) Fascinating and out of the blue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria
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Response to dhol82 (Reply #15)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:25 AM
Astazia (261 posts)
29. Was going to state how I arrived at my views; Tonight, Rachel went point by point...
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I don't know how to post links & text from my cell phone, but tonight Rachel went through when & why things happened. Our fallen Ambassador Chris Stevens had written a memo re; increased al queda presence in a neighboring city to Tripoli. Check out "The Rachel Maddow Show" tonight. I hope that will clear some of this up. In the next 24 hours investigators will arrive & shed more light on what led to this attack. The sophistication of this attack led to the working theory that this may have been more coordinated.
I wish I knew how to cut & paste from cell phone but I am not sure how to do it. Lost many a post attempting to. I am not someone who posts without doing my homework & hopefully will have my reg. computer up & running soon. |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 07:16 AM
fasttense (14,444 posts)
17. It's a sign of a desperate population doing desperate things in the face of hopelessness
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Do you really think people would be rioting (no matter who orchestrates it) if they felt their economic future was bright? Do you see the rich and middle class rioting in these Muslim countries? Were suicide attacks as common before the bushes made war on Iran.
Do you think if wealth and prosperity were available to all people, they would be rioting in the streets over a film???? This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or who has the better God. And has everything to do with an impoverished, hopeless population pushed into desperate acts. |
Response to fasttense (Reply #17)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 07:55 AM
caraher (3,578 posts)
18. Scientists predict a round of rioting is likely
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Some researchers have linked things like the Arab Spring to food prices.
Bar-Yam highlighted the food riots of 2007-08 and 2010-11 that were fuelled by sudden and dramatic spikes in food prices. He said his institute recently entered data from the US drought into its computer model, which predicted the outbreak of food-related unrest "in a short period of time". Still, these things need triggers. It's like wildfires - their frequency goes up in hot drought conditions, but you also need a match or lightning strike to set one off. In this case, we're also making things worse by growing corn for auto fuel. |
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:12 AM
judesedit (1,190 posts)
19. I don't understand why they giva a crap about what a right wing evangelical group says about anythin
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I'm sure Media for Christ criticizes everybody for something if they don't buy into their fake "Christian" bias....as they sit at the titty bar waiting to pay their favorite "dancers". These extreme "Christian" groups do everything but follow Christ's teachings. Look how they are spending the money they probably begged for on national television for feeding the hungry and healing the sick and underprivileged. They are spreading hate and lies. Some would call this the work of the devil. It's a typical power play born of GOP mental illness.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:18 AM
judesedit (1,190 posts)
20. Any government funding this unholy group is getting should be cut off immediately.
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Last edited Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:21 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) They are using our hard earned tax dollars to represent some kind of quacky, kkk, nra, nazi, skinhead anti-everything and everyone crap that the majority of Americans do NOT support. They are trying to spread their poison internationally and have been doing it for years. I wouldn't want to be them when they go in front of St. Peter. Let them pay for the damages and the funeral costs of the Americans.
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:16 PM
Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)
23. I'm betting that "office" is empty save for one desk and phone...
Response to trailmonkee (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:10 PM
Sunlei (2,269 posts)
25. Imagine if all Christian charities spent millions for good
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