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Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:03 AM

Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt protests

Source: AP via Haaretz

Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt protests
Film by Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew, led to protests at the U.S. consulate in Libya and the U.S. Embassy in Cairo; one American staffer killed in clashes.

By The Associated Press
Sep.12, 2012 | 9:43 AM

An Israeli filmmaker went into hiding on Tuesday after his movie attacking Islam's Prophet Muhammad sparked angry assaults by Muslims on U.S. diplomatic missions in Egypt and in Libya, where one American was killed.

Speaking by phone from an undisclosed location, writer and director Sam Bacile remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and that he intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

Protesters angered over Bacile's film opened fire on and burned down the U.S.consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, killing an American State Department officer on Tuesday. In Egypt, protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner.

Bacile, a California real estate developer in his fifties who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world. "

Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/israeli-filmmaker-in-hiding-after-anti-islam-movie-sparks-deadly-libya-egypt-protests-1.464459

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:05 AM

1. He stirred a turd. Kicked a hornet's nest.

 

Put a burning bag of dog shit on someone's porch, rang the doorbell, and ran away.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:32 AM

17. And fucking hide in his hidie hole.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:06 AM

2. coward. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:10 AM

5. ditto you

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:07 AM

3. What on earth did this total a-hole expect

would be the reaction? A crazy inflaming the crazies, after all.

I do NOT condone the violence at all. Not for a second. But I am appalled by the stupidity - and bigotry - that runs too rampant in our society.

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:12 AM

11. I agree

On another thread - I posted that having watched the snippets of the crap on YouTube/clips posted to DU - it had zero artistic value.

You have a right to make drivel.
You have the right to speak drivel.

But you also have the responsibility to OWN your words. You know who OWN'S his words - Bill Maher. Maybe he oughta send this guy a copy of Religulous. Sounds like this man desperately needs to see it.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:08 PM

41. And to freedom of speech and obligation to responsbility I would add a measure of honesty.

That is, I mean that it's dishonest for Bacile to say his prior actions up to now will achieve the objective he claims he wants.

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Response to CBHagman (Reply #41)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:54 PM

82. I agree whole heartedly

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Response to bupkus (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:06 PM

39. Did the Rmony campaign give him the money

to make the film?

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Response to goclark (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:10 PM

43. 100 unnamed Jewish donors funded the film

Personally, I'm wondering if that's where some of Adelson's $100M to buy the presidency went.

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Response to bupkus (Reply #52)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:44 PM

64. The 'October Surprise' came early this time!

I think this was calculated to stir up trouble just before the election. I'd also bet Adelson, et al have plans to keep this going until after the election.

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Response to bupkus (Reply #50)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:52 PM

113. The minute I heard the news of this attack

I immediately thought of Cheney (who suddenly appeared just the other day) and Rove.

What I also find curious is how the Embassy's security was penetrated right at the anniversary of 9/11. Wouldn't it be Standard Operating Procedure to beef up security at US Embassies around this date, especially in volatile regions?

I need to find more info about what actually transpired there. Is that info out there yet?

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:09 AM

4. I feel he is a hateful bigot.

nt

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Response to closeupready (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:56 AM

28. Evidence seems to support that.

Really, no faith can stand close scrutiny yet billions derive life-sustaining comfort from them.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:11 AM

6. FoxNews identified the filmmaker

 

as a Christian born in Egypt. Not kidding. Willful obfuscation on FoxNews part?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1834705699001/egyptian-protesters-scale-wall-of-us-embassy-in-cairo



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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:11 AM

7. Accessory, depraved indifference.

This should be fully investigated, and if possible, prosecuted.

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Response to Blue State Bandit (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:09 PM

42. People should be allowed to make movies mocking religion

No matter how crappy they are.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #42)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:11 PM

46. how about hate speech intended to incite violence in nutcases?

can we at least ban that?

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #46)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:15 PM

49. Nutcases can be incited by anything

This movie is crap, but there ought to be lots of movies mocking Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Scientology, Mormonism, and on and on if people want to make them.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #49)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:29 PM

57. that doesn't address my question. In another thread, somebody pointed out that in the US

if you intentionally incite violence and it results in death, you can be charged with manslaughter.

Bacile, the movie's writer and producer, has admitted he knew this would happen. He essentially intended it.

(as an aside, he goes on to blame inadequate security along with the killers. even though he intended to provoke them into killing, he takes no credit for his actions.)

Can he be legally charged with manslaughter? Because if he legally can, personally I believe he should be.

Freedom of speech does not come without license. His actions weren't that far from yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #57)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:27 PM

101. He didn't intentionally incite violence

He made a big FU to a religion that he doesn't like.

Is South Park inciting violence? They make fun of a variety of different religions on that show. Are they violating the rules of free speech? If an angry Mormon kills someone because they were upset by being attacked on the show, should Trey Parker go to jail for manslaughter?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #101)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:41 PM

110. aha perhaps we should review HuffPos interview with one of the films makers -again

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen," Klein said.

Bacile's film was dubbed into Egyptian Arabic by someone he doesn't know, but he speaks enough Arabic to confirm that the translation is accurate. It was made in three months in the summer of 2011, with 59 actors and about 45 people behind the camera.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/sam-bacile-in-hiding_n_1876044.html

now perhaps you can explain why if the film was made over a year ago but after Obama oversaw the death of Osama Bin Lauden just why it was not released until 9/11/2012 during a Presidential campaign?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #101)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:12 PM

118. he said in an interview that he knew it would provoke this kind of reaction.

He expected it. It most certainly was his intention to provoke violence, based on his own words.

He knew that it would incite violence, and he wanted violent protests to demonstrate how Islam is "a cancer" on the world.



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Response to oberliner (Reply #49)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:31 PM

72. It's called Southpark.

Love those shows.
Love the movie.

How do the Southpark guys get away with it?

Probably because that other shit really was paid for and planned as a political trap.

Southpark is a lot more critical or religion including Islam. And it's entertaining.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #46)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:36 PM

74. They are nutcases...

no matter what you do they will respond the only way they know how- violently.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #74)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:00 PM

83. which is why it is wrong to deliberately poke them with sticks.

The filmmaker admits he deliberately intended the response he got. He deliberately provoked the nutcases, intending the violence and death.

He *thinks* he's proving that Muslims are "a cancer." He has only proven that religious nutcases are dangerously violent, and others paid for his little game with their lives.

He is as disgusting as the violent nuts are, as are his financial backers. More so, in fact.

The only difference between them and the nuts they provoked are that they live in comparative luxury courtesy of the US, his new country. A country which he just betrayed by deliberately provoking an international incident that has led to the untimely deaths of 4 of its citizens who were actually working to promote peace.

He is not only disgusting, he is a traitor. He deliberately used his freedom of speech to cause an international incident and death to American citizens working in service of their country.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #83)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:28 PM

102. I agree about not poking them...

but face it, no matter what, they will pull shit. Sometimes they just do it because it is Wednesday. The movie is crap, but it is protected crap. Why should we change our laws to suit those dumbasses?

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #102)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:16 PM

119. I believe we already have laws about hate speech and we have laws about inciting riots

Freedom of speech is not freedom without license. It is illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater. It is illegal to make threats. What I'm wondering is, given the filmmakers statement that he knew this would provoke violent protest and he intended to demonstrate how Islam is "a cancer" on the world (via those protests), if his film does not cross the line into criminal activity.

And in the latest turn, it appears the embassy attack may have been an al qaeda operation using the protests as cover. In which case, he may well have been either willfully or witlessly aiding and abetting an al qaeda operation.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:11 AM

8. "Protesters angered over Bacile's film opened fire on and burned down the U.S.consulate"

 

Well they sure proved him wrong!

"Your religion is too violent"

I WILL FUCKING MURDER YOU FOR DENIGRATING MY FAITH!!!!!!!

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:01 PM

66. Religions are inherently peaceful.

Many of their followers, on the other hand, are entirely too fond of barbecuing, impaling, raping, eviscerating, shooting, torturing and slaughtering anyone who dares to insult the Invisible Sky Man Who Is All Powerful Yet Has A Very Touchy Ego.

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:38 PM

75. "Religions are inherently peaceful"...

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:42 PM

77. I disagree.

Religions are inherently violent. Even some of the most peaceful ones, Buddhism included have had their moments in hell. But for the most part, religion has incited violence through intolerance of other beliefs.

Followers on the other hand are inherently peaceful unless the religious clerics, teachers, priests, ministers, whatever, incite the violence of their holy books or the fundamentalism of their interpretation in their followers who for the most part are unable to speak or think for themselves. They are taught to be followers not thinkers.

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:21 PM

96. Religions are manmade constructs

 

given that we have both had religion and war for our entire history I would say they aren't that peaceful.

They may claim to be but somehow there is always an exception.

Thou shalt not murder . . . unless that guy isn't a member of your faith.

Thou shalt not steal . . . unless to support your crusade.

Thou shalt not rape . . . unless you want to.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:11 AM

9. I think this film was designed to inflame Muslims

and to create just the kind of reaction in the MIddle EAst that occurred?

I think people like the film maker and Netannayu (sp?) want to do everything they can to get the George W Bush neo cons back in office. They won't be satisfied until the US uses nuclear weapons against Iran.

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Response to Frances (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:15 AM

13. i don't think that there's any question that he deliberately set out to incite violence

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Response to frylock (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:35 AM

18. !00% agree. Wouldn't doubt that Rove et al have their fingers in this.

September/October surprises? First Bibi, then this. There's a 14 min trailer out there and it's so poorly made that it seems like a joke video. Completely insulting and intended to be. The idiot who made this should be prosecuted in the Ambassador's death.

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Response to frylock (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:10 PM

44. Killing people because of a movie is deranged

People should be allowed to make movies mocking any religion they want.

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Response to Frances (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:00 PM

34. 9/11 may be a sensitive date for Muslims.

They want so much to believe it wasn't done by their own.

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Response to Frances (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:44 PM

80. absolutely agree!

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Response to Frances (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:48 PM

111. The film makers have publically admitted the film was to inflame Muslims

Last edited Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:54 PM - Edit history (1)

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen," Klein said.

Bacile's film was dubbed into Egyptian Arabic by someone he doesn't know, but he speaks enough Arabic to confirm that the translation is accurate. It was made in three months in the summer of 2011, with 59 actors and about 45 people behind the camera.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/sam-bacile-in-hiding_n_1876044.html

and as I pointed out to another poster doesn't the timing of all this strike anyone as 'strange'

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:11 AM

10. fucking coward..

i hope he's in hiding for the rest of his miserable life.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:15 AM

12. Hope he spends the rest of his slimy life looking over his shoulder for the hit to come

and may he not have to look over his shoulder for long.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:20 AM

14. He should go to Libya and explain himself.

I'm sure they'll understand.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:31 AM

15. OK. Is it this movie or the one by Terry Jones that sparked this incident?????

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Response to northoftheborder (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:37 AM

21. Terry Jones has promoted this film produced by Sam Bacile

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:32 AM

16. hese are the games republicans play

 

First, a republican makes a movie for the purpose of inciting violence in the Mideast THEN mitt & elephant ears trample over dead Americans using this violence to garner more votes.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:35 AM

19. He knew what he was doing, the violent effect it would have, and did it with malice.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:36 AM

20. Deport him

 

If he's not an American who is getting our ambassadors killed by obviously trying to incite violence, deport him. It should be easy enough to find some grounds. We've got enough citizens who are doing that kind of thing, we don't need to import them to do it.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:37 AM

22. Republican Family Values in action

throw a huge stink bomb into the room, and then run and hide in your occultist basement cesspool. He may be Israeli, but he has the soula nd values of a Republican.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:38 AM

23. All religion is cancerous, including all Judeo/Christian sects.

 

So yes Islam is a cancer, but so is Judaism, Catholicism, Mormonism, and any religion that feels its tenants should override any one person's personal choices to liberty, freedom, and personal values.

Too bad this filmmaker only sees the damage caused by a religion he opposes instead of the overall effect of all religions now and in the past.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:11 PM

45. People should be allowed to make movies mocking any religion

The killing supposedly in reaction to the movie is the crime here.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #45)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:40 PM

126. Perhaps then the filmmaker should mock all religions instead of just attacking one.

 

Seems Religulous didn't stir Islamic extremism because it didn't just mock one religion in an attempt to suggest it is worse than Judaism or other Jewish/Israeli supporting religions.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #126)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:06 PM

129. Religulous didn't try to depict the prophet Mohammed on screen

That appears to be the red line.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:45 AM

24. I would check

Romney's beach house in California.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:47 AM

25. Shameful.

You guys would turn Salman Rushdie in.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:48 AM

26. Way to man up, you little coward...

He's probably already hard at work on the sequel...

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:52 AM

27. AND we find out that "Pastor" Jones in FL was involved in this?

ANOTHER asshole.

Un-freak'n-believable that this whack job, who was going do the "burn a Koran" day, stirred the pot too.

And then, you have Mittens, gett'n himself smack dab in the middle too...Mr. "Foreign Policy Experience" from hiding out in
Paris, in a palace no less, during Vietnam.

I'm SO mad!

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:57 AM

29. Sam (im)Bacile

"Sam Bacile remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and that he intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion."

Good job, fuckwit.

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Response to geomon666 (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:00 PM

33. He knew Americans could die because of his movie.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:47 PM

81. ah, yes...

But what is wrong with death for the sake of eternal life??

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #81)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:36 PM

107. That's only good for our "enemies."

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:57 AM

31. The filmmaker knew there would be a violent response to his movie. Blood is on

his hands, and on the hands of the 100 donors.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:02 PM

35. If anything

 

this incident proves his point.
If somebody accuses me of being a violent drunk I don't grab a beer and beat the crap out of him in an attempt to prove him wrong.
It is time the world condemns this kind of behaviors instead of making excuses.

The fact that we are even discussing limiting somebody's speech because it might hurt somebody's feelings is hugely disappointing.

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Response to Rabid_Rabbit (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:03 PM

37. Nobody wants to limit his free speech

they just want people to use some god damn common sense.
dont act like he was ignorant about the repercussions...
good for him, he got them to kill people.
congrats?

what a hell of a way to prove your point, by getting people killed.

theirs no excuse for that.

he deserves anything he gets.


remember, christians kill people too sometimes... so lets remember that the next time you wanna say 'its their religion not his free speech'

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:02 PM

36. what a coward.

make a piece of work YOU KNOW is going to stir anger... let OTHER PEOPLE DIE FOR IT... then run like a coward.

sorry, but after this move... i feel like he deserves what he gets.

i see lots of right wingers screaming 'blame the religion not the film-maker'...
well thatd be acceptable IF THE ASSHOLE DIDNT KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING!!!

I just hope they remember their mantra the next time a Christian hurts someone.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:05 PM

38. Sam Bacile, Terry Jones, and others involved with this are enemies of the U.S.

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen," Klein said."

Here.

Not one cent of taxpayer money, and that includes local police, needs to be spent on security for people who deliberately inflame and disrespect others.

Too bad he didn't have the guts to make the movie in his own country. Coward.


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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:08 PM

40. re:Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt protests

"i cant stand stupidity for stupiditys sake and fear for fears sake . klatoo " the day the earth stood still. ( 1950s version , not the horrible remake ) gee lets start ww3 and the armageddon as we speak .

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:12 PM

47. And, tinfoil firmly in place. . .

I'll bet that once you scratch the surface on this debacle you'll find an awful lot of Republicans behind it.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:13 PM

48. The responses to this thread are disturbing

Any filmmaker should be allowed to make a movie making fun of any religion.

In fact, there ought to be more of that sort of thing (and more artfully done).

Reacting to a movie by killing innocent people is deranged.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:27 PM

54. Sorry,

i dont either side is innocent in this.

i think its silly for you to try and proclaim a morally righteous victor from this..

nobody doubts his right to say whatever he wants,
but we have the right just as well to call him a moron who clearly doesnt have the common sense or rational thinking that even a Goose has (sorry for disrespecting my goose brothers and sisters).

i mean come on?

its one thing to knowingly do something to cause a reaction, but to run and hide after you get what you want?
i mean, please.

this person just wanted to start a fire but had no intention or want to put it out.

nobody is saying their reaction was justified. what they are saying is that he knew the risk he was taking, and thats fine if its him who has to take that risk.. but his work got people killed and his reaction is to hide? REALLY????

what a coward.

I mean, lets think about this rationally for a minute .. can we ?

Lets say...
You have a bee nest in your back yard. Your friend comes over to hang out. You say, "Hey, stay away from that bee nest... if you disturb them theyll attack!'. he doesnt believe you. Do you :
A) go get as much information about bees and nest as you can and show your friend
OR
B) hit the nest with a giant stick.

Its really that simple. the guys a moron, free speech or not.

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Response to iamthebandfanman (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:30 PM

59. I agree that we have the right to call him a moron

But killing innocent people (or anyone) because you are "offended" by the content of a movie is despicable.

People should be free to mock religion in whatever way they choose.

And others should be free to find offense and speak out strongly.

But in this instance the crime is the killing.

Movies don't kill people.

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Response to iamthebandfanman (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:11 PM

117. Free speech, for the purpose of ridicule and demeaning another's religious founder and religion is a

 

provocation to some and people react differently to provocation. This was stirred not only by the Israeli filmmaker but the christian preacher in Florida, making the incident more despicable. Muslims have shown that they will not tolerate ridicule of their faith in several past instances. They have different values than we do, we have the right to free speech, they have the right to exact revenge.
He has the right to free speech, but not the right to speak for the US. He should be shipped back to Israel at the very least.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:32 PM

60. Should I be allowed to shout "FIRE"in a crowded theater? No limits? Really?


Nothing personal, but as an example - It would be ok for me to make a movie about your sister, ridiculing her for how she practices her religion, or lack of it?

Because (Have you watched any of it? I have) this is about people next door to you and ridiculing them for how they practice their religion. It is very personal, and up to date. It is actors, people in this country it sounds like, portraying the most vile and disgusting acts these people can bend that religion around, at least in their view. And they look like the people who live in apartment 2b.

It ain't a cartoon Flying Spaghetti Western.

Old white guys saying "Burn out these forsaken Christians"?

This isn't free speech. It is hate speech, designed to inflame the very reaction it got.

If one really believe's that such a thing shouldn't be expected to incite killing, think about trying to show "Birth of a Nation" in South LA. We would expect more than higher popcorn sales, eh?

Are the people deranged, or just disrespected so badly that the rules which people of a different skin color (religion, country, wealth, whatever) forced on them no longer apply?

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #60)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:13 PM

86. How about Family Guy? South Park?

They have a lot of stuff on those programs that are potentially very offensive to large numbers of people, including mocking various religions.

Is that incitement?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #86)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:09 PM

116. Go watch the movie, (careful, you will lose 10 IQ points, it's really that bad)


and tell me if you think 14 minutes of hate speech rises to the level of South Park.

Of course either is incitement, that's their intention. But generically mocking religions is far different than picturing your neighbors on the tv committing the worst acts- and please, let me stress - ACTING - to deliberately paint THE PEOPLE as dirty, filthy, dangerous.

One is satire. The other is hate speech. Both provocative, but one strikes far deeper than the other.

There is a real problem here, however. We are being led down a path with an assumption that Muslims must have easy access to rockets, and they just jump up and spontaneously, (because they see ALL of them as terrorists), act in ways that hurt others. In reality most terrorist are far more calculating, and it's highly unlikely that this movie would cause them to be MORE revolutionary than they already are. Which leaves us with ordinary people who are Muslim, who we must then believe have rockets sitting around to grab in a moment of passion.

The reports coming out indicate that this was not the case, that it was a planned raid, in stages, with discipline and timing to do certain tasks. That would indicate that there was an element of planning, maybe military involvement. Now we are sending drones to scout supposed terrorist camps. More accidental civilian deaths coming up.

Who, then, profits from this? Not just in money, but would someone who hopes that a world conflict which would result in total destruction that could hasten the "second coming" do this? Would a political group that wants a shooting war to start between Muslims and the West start with this, hoping that enough of this will result in a shooting war between Muslims and the West? If you read some of the doctrine of these churches and political groups, it is quite clear those are their beliefs.






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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #60)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:17 PM

90. I would think

 

the rule to not form a mob and run around killing people that are/look different because you had your feelings hurt should really be part of any civilized society.

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Response to Rabid_Rabbit (Reply #90)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:40 PM

109. Civilize. Like we try to do to by exterminating our indigent languages and people?


Or by the thousands of Iraqis we buried alive with bulldozers or shot in the back, under our President's order, while they were fleeing and surrendering? Or the innocent kids and adults we kill with our drones on a regular basis, all in the name of killing an idea? What kind of civilizing effect is there in our current austerity programs allowing millions to fall into poverty, enabling corporations to replace millions of middle-wage jobs with jobs that swell the ranks of the working poor and lead to the early death of many, and increasing the number (and the profit made by JP Morgan) of the people on a pittance of food stamps, while we support the lifestyles and immoral behavior of Mi$$ Rmoney and Jamie Dimon by keeping their assets inflated so the benefits will trickle down?

That kind of civilize? Yes, we have the moral high ground...




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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #109)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:57 PM

114. What does that have to do with this incident?

 

Do you believe that forming an angry mob and killing people because your feelings got hurt is part of civilized society?
It was a rhetorical question actually, not expecting anybody to argue the point.

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Response to Rabid_Rabbit (Reply #114)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:24 PM

120. Benghazi was a planned raid, with missiles, in waves, with timing. Not a mob. Try to keep up.


I think minimizing the damage we do to people, then feigning ignorance with a remark like "feelings got hurt" simply shows the arrogance of American thinking. Same level of response that Rmoney put out.

No, I'm not a pacifist, and yes, I do think people can disrespect you enough that you are justified in destroying them, especially if they precede that with screwing around with your country, economy, culture, life or morals for their own amusement or profit.

No, mobs shouldn't form (or spouses get angry) and hurt people at some perceived slight. But that raid wan't that, it was planned and executed, using that video as a pretext. Heck, it might even be a publicity stunt by the people involved in producing it, who appear to really want a shooting war. This isn't the first effort for some of them, btw. They are learning better how to push buttons.

I do think nations should learn to respect others, or quit whining about getting hurt.


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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #120)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:26 PM

125. Hate to disappoint you

 

but I am not American, so your attempts at painting with a broad brush have failed.
Just so I understand you, mobs killing people = bad, organized attacks killing people = ok

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Response to Rabid_Rabbit (Reply #125)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:14 PM

130. What you "understand" is up to you. n/t

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:46 PM

65. Your omission is disturbing.

Like his ally Pastor Jones, Bacile made the video with the intent of achieving the results he got. It is obviously designed to set off violence, which he (and you) seem to think proves a point about Muslims in general. He has the right to make any vile hate propaganda he likes, and thus to set off a violent and disgusting but predictable reaction, but he's no fighter for artistic freedom. He's a warrior for anti-Muslim hatred.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #65)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:15 PM

88. A movie should not "set off" violence

I don't know how you can say for certain that his goal was to set off violence. I think his goal was to give a big FU to a religion he doesn't like. There are lots of films, tv shows, plays, books that do that sort of thing to various religions (much more artfully, of course).

The thing is - making a movie doesn't kill anyone. Killing someone in response to a movie is the problem here.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #88)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:35 PM

105. what I find strange is the spirited defense of a movie that the makers admit they knew would cause

violence under the heading of free speech, but more over a movie that *cough* just by some serendipity just happened to get put out to the public on September 11 during a Presidential campaign wherein the Democrat candidate just happened to be the one who killed the mastermind of 9/11/2001 by people who might well be supporting his Republican opponent

but just I guess that free speech trumps all

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Response to oberliner (Reply #88)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:58 PM

127. It shouldn't, but it is well-known that it will.

No one wants to take away his right to produce hate films, and certainly these hate films do not justify violent response. Those who commit violence because of such a thing are wrong. Nevertheless, you are surely not as naive as you put on. The maker of this film knew what was likely to happen after the experiences with Jones, the Koran "flushings," and the Danish cartoon contest. That doesn't make it right, but people are now aware that they can inspire violence in a certain section of the Islamic world by committing sacrilege on video. There's no other explanation for the animal scenes - it's the effect he hoped to create. He succeeded, getting confirmation for his "Muslims are animals" message in the West. Furthermore, inspiring such reactions serves to justify the constant Western state violence on Muslim countries (even though it doesn't, actually). In context, Israel is currently pushing the US to start a war of aggression - possibly a world war - against Iran. Just as we know a certain number of Muslims will riot and murder other people on the rumor of blasphemy, so too will many in the American public not bother to recognize the difference between Muslims, Arabs, Persians, Sunni or Shia when the bombs fall on Tehran. This asshole is hoping to create an atmosphere that justifies more violence by the West.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #65)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:20 PM

94. The people who engaged in violence over this movie should not have taken the bait.

They would have come off looking much better if they had remained calm. But now the producers of this movie have got exactly what they want.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:20 PM

68. Disagree.

We all knew what the response was going to be when this hit the Mideast. It was like poking a rabid dog with a stick. There is no reason to do it, and it is guaranteed to end very badly.

Terry Jones wants nothing more than to start World War III so that Jesus can come back and cart off his followers to heaven that much sooner, and will use anyone and anything to achieve that end. He will then conveniently (and insultingly) hide behind the "freedom of speech" excuse when the shitstorm goes down. The very definition of a coward.

Jones and the person who made this film are just as deranged and responsible for what happened as the Libyan mob. It was a calculated, diabolical act.

I know we disagree on this, but I can't advocate using freedom of speech carte blanche with a total disregard for what will most likely happen as a result, especially when that result is a 99.99% certainty.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #68)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:17 PM

89. The problem is that a movie can result in this kind of violence

The problem is in the people who acted violently. They have a problem.

Whose to say that a Mormon won't be so offended by South Park making fun of their faith that they wouldn't act violently?

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #68)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:27 AM

134. Terry Jones and those crazed Christians are not the only people who want war and we all know that.

Romney, Sheldon Adelson, Netanyahu, and any number of NeoCons, Jewish and otherwise, are

pushing for war with Iran.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:25 PM

69. I would bet that if I had $5 or 6 million to make a movie about fundamental American christians and

wrote it to reflect what I really think about them, they would resort to killing people as well (and they already have murdered their fellow Americans in their worship of the embryo).

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #69)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:43 PM

79. almost certainly not.

anymore than anyone was murdered over "Piss Christ"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

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Response to cali (Reply #79)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:05 PM

84. Really? How many abortion doctors have been murdered in this country by

those extremists?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #84)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:14 PM

87. uh, I was responding to your claim of Christians in this country

murdering people if a similar movie were made about Christianity, but as a matter of fact, 4 doctors who performed abortions have been murdered in this country over a 20 year period. That's four too many obviously and it neglects the other 4 people killed in clinic violence over the same period, but it simply isn't dozens or hundreds of abortion clinic related deaths or injuries.

You really should stop digging.

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Response to cali (Reply #87)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:49 PM

112. And I stand by my original statement. The extremists in this country are just as likely to

commit violence and murder as extremists in any other country or religion.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #112)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:06 AM

132. That's very pc of you...Unfortunately, it's just not correct.

Please get a grip on the false equivalence.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #132)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:24 AM

133. And you know it's not correct how?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #133)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:37 AM

135. As Cali just told you, films and artwork insulting religion have already been produced

in this country, and no one is known to have been killed over it.

Have some been killed for practicing abortion?..Yes, and that's wrong

and those people have been prosecuted, but practicing abortion

is not filmmaking.


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Response to whathehell (Reply #135)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 11:03 AM

138. Do you not understand 'hypothetical' situations? I said I thought if I made 'my' movie,

the reaction of extremist 'christians' would be the same. I also remember death threats and a fire bombing after 'The Last Temptation of Christ' came out. And how many abortion clinics and mosques have received threats and been bombed?

A religious extremist is a religious extremist no matter what god they pray to.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #138)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 06:40 PM

139. I understand completely....What you don't seem to "understand" is that

I disagree with your assumption regarding equivalent reactions from extremist christians. Period.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #139)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:57 AM

140. Fine. We'll just disregard all the murders and bombings that have been committed by so-called

christians over history. There have been no bombings/deaths in Northern Ireland over something that happened 400 years ago. No death threats were made to the producer of 'Dogma' or 'The Last Temptation of Christ', no abortion clinics have been bombed, no Army of God, and no crazy 'christian' cults.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #140)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:06 AM

141. Do the names Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot ring a bell ?

Three of the greatest mass murderers of the 20th Century...All killed

in the name of political ideologies that had NOTHING to do with religion.

You need to do a little more research, and you might want to start with

Northern Ireland. Anyone who knows anything about that conflict knows it

was political not religious.


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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #69)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:18 PM

92. There are plenty of movies like that

And if anyone kills anyone else as a result, they have problems.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:29 PM

70. well said. nt

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:30 PM

71. common sense tells us we are not immune to the consequences of the things we say, regardless of whet

No on has stated the filmmaker is not allowed to make a movie making fun of religion.

That being said, common sense tells us we are not immune to the consequences of the things we say, regardless of whether those consequences are just or not.

Any person should is legally allowed to stand in the middle their front yard and begin yelling "niggers and spics need to leave America..." for the sake of inflaming social constructs, and call it art, but I'd hazard that the consequences of those statements, whether just or not, will be swift and dramatic... and more importantly, avoidable in the first place.

The naivety of thinking otherwise is what has me puzzled and scratching my head.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #71)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:19 PM

93. Unlike your front yard, no one was forced to see this movie

In fact, before this controversy, almost no one did.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:35 PM

73. Hey, I'm a free speech absolutists too!! I hope people disclose his hiding place(s).

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #73)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:20 PM

95. No doubt someone will

Hopefully no one else gets killed, including the filmmaker.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:42 PM

78. +1. nt

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:22 PM

97. Put well. Someone gets it. n/t

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:38 PM

108. I agree

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:51 PM

122. This wasn't film making. This was simply created and intended to incite violence.

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Response to The Stranger (Reply #122)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:53 PM

131. There is no basis for this claim

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:19 PM

51. Catalyst to Iran Bombing

 

The Israeli filmmaker will act as catalyst and speed up the Israel's Bombing of Iran.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:20 PM

53. Perhaps that guy should've checked with Salman Rushdie

before releasing that. I am all for freedom of expression and all that, but some Muslims have absolutely no sense of humor.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:27 PM

55. First Amendment Rights

I will support anyones right to to free speech and freedom of expression but this crosses the line. This is akin to yelling fire in a crowded movie house and since he is an American who the hell do you think the radicals clerics are going to tell their followers to attack. The U.S. has so many interests in countries that are dominated my the muslim faith and this jerk just put them all at risk. I do not condone the violence at all and I hope that cooler heads can prevail in the middle east.

This guy knew exactly what he was doing and I think the U.S. Government needs to follow the money and expose these people for who they are. Four Americans died because of this film and that is four families who lost a father, brother,son, mother, sister, daughter, or a husband or wife. Words have consequences and this bears that statement out.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:28 PM

56. Shittiest Movie in History Sparks WWIII

http://www.fishandcheese.com/wordpress/2012/09/12/shittiest-movie-in-history-sparks-wwiii/

(Undisclosed Location) An anti-muslim film created by a man who calls himself “Sam Bacile” has caused riots in Libya and Egypt and is being blamed for a rocket attack that killed the U.S. Ambassador to Egypt.

Mr. Bacile’s identity is unknown. Fishington Cheesington post has been unable to find any mention of the putative real estate developer on Internet sources such as Google.com, Pipl.com or Intelius.com before the crisis unfolded.

But after reviewing the film, we understand why. It is undoubtedly the shittiest $5 million dollar film to ever start a World War.

>>Funny stuff. But also funny that filmmaker and real estate developer had zero presence on Google prior to the crisis and is not in Pipl.com or Intelius.com. Who is he? Does he even exist? Enquiring minds want to know.

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Response to johnnyplankton (Reply #56)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:24 PM

99. Am I missing something? Where is the world war?

The last time I checked there were violent riots and some Americans were tragically killed. But a word war? I don't see any missiles being exchanged between Russia and the USA. Come on.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:29 PM

58. Motherf*****g coward!

These right wings truly want destruction of the world huh.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:33 PM

61. He can hide with Salman Rushdie and the Danish cartoonists

They're all getting what they want.

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Response to marshall (Reply #61)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:08 PM

85. You think it is ok

 

that people that have a different opinion face violence?
Somebody that draws a cartoon should be prepared to spend the rest of his life in fear? That this is happening is an absolute failure of society by bowing and surrendering to the most violent and extreme elements.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:34 PM

62. The filmaker (Bacile) now has to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life

I wonder if he thinks it was worth it. He is a marked man, just like Rushdie.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:42 PM

63. Missing quotes: "filmmaker"

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:18 PM

67. Can he be deported back to Israel?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #67)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:26 PM

100. Certainly not for producing this movie. Perhaps we could find

some other reason to deport him such as if he is in this country illegally, but he has the legal right to produce that movie and he couldn't be deported over it.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:40 PM

76. Shit-stirring fucker.

He is right to hide, he's due for a reckoning.

Julie

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:17 PM

91. Didn't Ann Coulter have a short cartoon that was even worse? Can't remember where I saw it.

Maybe she'd go into hiding.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:23 PM

98. Bacile is a pseudonym

and it is not likely that "Bacile" is Israeli. He is probably Egyptian (he confirmed that he has relatives in Egypt). Most of the connections point to Morris Sadek, an anti-Muslim Copt living in southern California, or someone in his circle.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:31 PM

103. How does getting good people killed help his native land?

This jerk is a lying piece of slime off a dingleberry

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:33 PM

104. $5 million: lots of money to hide behind a pseudonym. Something very dark & vile being plotted. nt

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:33 PM

121. Spam deleted by Warren DeMontague (MIR Team)

 

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:16 PM

123. Sam Bacile Not Israeli, possibly a disgruntled Egyptian

A closer inspection of Sam Bacile shows that he writes in arabic in his youtube comments. On Google+ he is in the circle of محمد حامد الشربيني‬‎ (Mohamed Hamed El-Sherbini). Sam is probably neither Jewish nor Israeli and since he claims he has relatives in Egypt he is most likely a disgruntled Egyptian.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:18 PM

124. Typical hater - hides when confronted.

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Response to polichick (Reply #124)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:05 PM

128. Which is why the name James O'Keefe comes to mind.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:54 AM

136. There is no Sam Bacile: Nakoula Basseley Nakoula & 'Innocence Of Muslims': Man Admits Role.....

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula & 'Innocence Of Muslims': Man Admits Role In Anti-Islam Movie

LOS ANGELES — The anti-Muslim film implicated in mob protests against U.S. diplomatic missions in the Mideast received logistical help from a man once convicted of financial crimes and featured actors who complained that their inflammatory dialogue was dubbed in after filming.

The self-proclaimed director of "Innocence of Muslims" initially claimed a Jewish and Israeli background. But others involved in the film said his statements were contrived as evidence mounted that the film's key player was a southern Californian Coptic Christian with a checkered past.

More:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13/nakoula-basseley-nakoula-innocence-of-muslims-anti-islam-movie_n_1880175.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment

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This thread is sad. Knee jerk responses and assumptions about a non-existent person? Shades of Mittens.
Good grief.

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:57 AM

137. I wonder how many will continue to believe an Israeli was involved

Even though that turned out to be BS.

Great job reporting!

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Response to flpoljunkie (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:21 PM

142. Not Israeli, Not Jewish: Just another lying Xhrister hoping to spread death in the name of his Lord

 



Christians giving to heretics the Peace of Christ.

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Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:51 PM

143. TPM: AP Issues Correction About Anti-Muslim Filmmaker 'Sam Bacile'

Associated Press Issues Correction About Anti-Muslim Filmmaker ‘Sam Bacile’

ERIC LACH 5:55 PM EDT, FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 14, 2012

The Associated Press has issued a correction to address a story from earlier this week that identified a "Sam Bacile" as the director of "Innocence of Muslims," the film being blamed for recent violence and demonstrations in several Middle Eastern countries. From the AP:

In a Sept. 12 story about a film that sparked deadly protests in Libya and Egypt, The Associated Press quoted a man who identified himself in several phone conversations as Sam Bacile, and who said he wrote and directed the film. The AP story quoted him saying he was an Israeli Jew.

In later reporting, the AP was unable to find any public records confirming the existence of a person with that name.

The AP subsequently reported that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula was the key figure behind the film.

The Wall Street Journal, which also interviewed a man who claimed to be Bacile, had previously added the following correction to its own story:

An earlier version of this article included claims by the person who identified himself as Sam Bacile that he is an Israeli-American and that he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish donors to fund the film. Those claims weren't confirmed and should not have been included in the article. In addition, the article has been updated to note that the name used by the person appears to be a pseudonym, based on subsequent reporting.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/associated-press-issues-correction-about-anti-muslim-filmmaker

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