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Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:18 AM

Israel's Mofaz says PM 'meddling' in US vote

Source: Agence France Presse

AFP - Israel's opposition leader on Wednesday accused Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of "meddling" in the US presidential election and harming Israel's ties with Washington in a dispute over Iran's nuclear programme.

The remarks by opposition leader Shaul Mofaz came as Netanyahu and the White House locked horns over how to handle Iran's nuclear programme, with Israel threatening unilateral military action against Tehran, despite American objections.

Mofaz said Netanyahu's pursuit of a very public dispute with President Barack Obama over Iran was an attempt to sway voters against the US leader, who faces a challenge from Republican rival Mitt Romney in the November ballot.

"Israeli meddling in internal US affairs and turning the US administration from an ally to 'an enemy' has caused us severe damage," Mofaz charged, at a session of the Israeli parliament, known as the Knesset.

Read more: http://www.france24.com/en/20120912-israels-mofaz-says-pm-meddling-us-vote

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Reply Israel's Mofaz says PM 'meddling' in US vote (Original post)
Ghost Dog Sep 2012 OP
annabanana Sep 2012 #1
iandhr Sep 2012 #5
thucythucy Sep 2012 #7
Hutzpa Sep 2012 #2
Sherman A1 Sep 2012 #4
Hutzpa Sep 2012 #6
King_David Sep 2012 #12
cali Sep 2012 #15
Hutzpa Sep 2012 #19
iandhr Sep 2012 #3
midnight Sep 2012 #8
davidhaslanded Sep 2012 #9
Ghost Dog Sep 2012 #11
L0oniX Sep 2012 #10
amandabeech Sep 2012 #13
Ghost Dog Sep 2012 #14
amandabeech Sep 2012 #16
Ghost Dog Sep 2012 #17
amandabeech Sep 2012 #18

Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:22 AM

1. I really really really wish that America's CorpoMedia acknowledged

the EXISTENCE of an opposition party over there.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:29 AM

5. What do you mean that...

... Israel is a democratic society where your allowed to criticize the government and have debate on the best course of action for your country?

WOW

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Response to iandhr (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:40 AM

7. Yup. And that criticizing or disagreeing

with the current Israeli government doesn't automatically make you an anti-Semite or an opponent of Israel's right to exist.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:23 AM

2. This is what happens when you have a friend whose your enemy nt.

 

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:26 AM

4. A "friend" with their own agenda

most certainly. One who attacks your ships in international waters, one who spies upon you, but is certainly one who just loves your monetary support.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:33 AM

6. Absolutely

 

a friend that wants total control of all your assets, while destroying you from within.

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:09 PM

12. ''destroying you from within''



Explain please !

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:25 PM

15. wtf? do you have any idea what that sounds like?

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Response to cali (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:12 PM

19. I'm speaking of my friend, whats there to explain? nt

 

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:24 AM

3. To quote Jon Stewart

"In Israel you are allowed to criticize Israel and still hold public office"

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:45 AM

8. I suppose Citizen United is rearing it's head, because foreign entities can influence this election

and it's still ok....

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:57 AM

9. Anyone have more information about this figure?

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Response to davidhaslanded (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:50 PM

11. Well, eg. "Israel's Kadima party elects Shaul Mofaz as leader", 28 March 2012

(There's this thing called Google, as well as other methods for searching for information in the huge database that is the Internet, you know, if you don't generally keepyourself up-to-date in such areas)...

Israel's Kadima party elects Shaul Mofaz as leader

Israel's former defence and military chief Shaul Mofaz has won a resounding victory over Tzipi Livni to lead the Kadima party.

Final results in the Kadima leadership contest showed Mofaz captured 62% of the votes and Livni 37%. Afterwards, Mofaz spoke confidently of ousting Binyamin Netanyahu as prime minister in the next national elections, scheduled for October 2013.

"We will win the political and national battles we face," he told a cheering crowd. "In the general elections we will replace Netanyahu's government."

Polls show that toppling Netanyahu would be an uphill battle: Kadima, currently the largest faction in parliament, is losing support to the centrist Labour party and the dovish Meretz. Kadima would also be expected to lose seats to the television personality Yair Lapid, who has not yet formed a political party.

Mofaz is best known for the tough tactics he adopted as military chief and defence minister during the four-year Palestinian uprising that ended in 2004. In 2008, he briefly rattled global oil markets by saying Israel would attack Iran as a last resort if Tehran did not abandon its suspected nuclear weapons programme.

In recent years he has adopted a more statesmanlike approach, proposing the immediate establishment of a provisional Palestinian state and addressing socio-economic issues and women's rights...

/... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/28/israel-kadima-shaul-mofaz-leader

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:45 PM

10. Quit funding them 4 billion a year and then see what they say!

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:14 PM

13. I wonder whether the Israeli Labor Party will make a statement.

I would also be interested in what the small, religious parties have to say. Some of them are to the right of Likud and sometimes push Likud further right.

There is an election coming up this winter in Israel. Sometimes politicians will do anything to win, and that is not limited to Israeli politicians.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:23 PM

14. Actually, Israel's electoral arrangements appear to be a mess... But it's still winter 2013 so far?

An unprecedented decline in the popularity of Netanyahu and his government occurred in summer 2011 following the 2011 Israeli social justice protests. and mass demonstrations held against the high living costs in Israel, although this decline passed quickly after Netanyahu's speech at the General debate of the sixty-sixth session of the United Nations General Assembly in September 2011 following the Palestinian diplomatic campaign to gain full membership in the United Nations and following the 2011 southern Israel cross-border attacks. In addition, Netanyahu's popularity also increased after the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange deal was approved and Gilad Shalit was released. These events actually led to the broadest support Netanyahu ever received since the beginning of his term.

Tal Law controversy and 2012 unity government

Prior to the decision to dissolve the Knesset attempts to amend the Tal Law, which allows Haredi to indefinitely defer national service, by Yisrael Beiteinu and Kadima and was struck down by the High Court of Justice. It was also supported by the Independence party, but failed after Shas appealed an expedited process pass through the Ministerial Committee on Legislative Affairs, which meant it would have to be rediscussed and could not pass. The dissolution of parliament would force an automatic extension of the law, due to expire on 1 August, for another six to eight months. Netanyahu said a new law should "make the burden more equal and fair." Yisrael Beiteinu said the dissolution should have been postponed so that its proposed Equal National Service for All bill could be voted upon. Similarly, Kadima's Shaul Mofaz told the "Suckers Camp" (מאהל הפראיירים protesters outside Likud's political convention that this was an "historic opportunity to clean the moral stain that is the Tal Law." He also said that the motion to dissolve the legislature at this state was a "stinky political trick" by Netanyahu, Yacimovich and the Haredi parties. Kadima's chairwoman Dalia Itzik also reiterated calls to have a new law before the election.

On 7 May the Knesset voted on a series of bills in regards to its dissolution and holding the election on 4 September, which passed; however in the early morning of 8 May, a few hours before the Knesset was expected to approve the bill which would bring the 18th Knesset's term to its end, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reached an agreement with the Kadima leader Shaul Mofaz to join the current government, thus canceling the early election supposed to be held in September.

On 17 July, after the failure of parties to reach a compromise on the issue, Kadima voted to pull out of the coalition. The coalition did, however, still have a majority of seats even without Kadima. However, the reduced coalition was now divided between nationalist groups such as Yisrael Beiteinu and Haredi groups such as Shas, which are on opposite sides of the universal draft issue. This led some commentators to suggest that the coalition's complete breakup was imminent and that new elections would take place by January 2013.

Campaign

The decision to have an early election was read as influential over the issue of an attack on Iran. A victory for Likud could bolster the case for an armed strike, however it was also risky during an election. It would however be an election issue.

Likud's Netanyahu said that in a new government he would see to have as large and stable a governing coalition as possible in order to "deal with the great challenges that we will face." He also said that his other priority would be to tackle the still high levels of crime. "We know that there has been a reduction of 30% in the incidence of murder, but these cases are brutal and underline our acknowledged need to battle these occurrences full force." He said that Internal Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch and Police Commissioner Yohanan Danino were tasked with compiling a report into the 37 murders in 2012, incomparison to 52 in 2011, and said he was confident in curbing the trend.

Date of the election

Since the term of the 17th Knesset ended prematurely, the term of the 18th Knesset is four full years plus eight more months, starting from the month of its election (February 2009). The expected date for a regular election is 22 October 2013.

Likud's coalition chairman MK Ze'ev Elkin wanted the election to be scheduled for 4 September 2012. He got support for the motion from Yisrael Beiteinau, Shas and Labour; however, Kadima wanted the election 16 September. Meretz, Labor and Elkin submitted different motions for dissolution. Netanyahu told the Likud party on 7 May that he would like an early election saying that he does not "want there to be a year-and-a-half of political instability accompanied by blackmail and populism. I'd prefer a short electoral campaign of four months that will ensure political stability. I would have been very happy if we could have completed the term, which was also my goal, but it is no secret that with the start of the government's fourth year, the coalition is fraying somewhat. The achievements of this government are a result of a joint vision and a partnership that was possible due to political stability. We have not had such a stable government in decades. We are proposing 4 September, after which, God and voters willing, we will receive a mandate."

The Knesset House Committee's approval on 7 May for the expedition of the bill to dissolve the 18th Knesset allowing for plenum vote. The committee bill was approved by a vote of 13 to four. Though Shas voted against the measure, a party member said that "Shas' unambiguous stance is to support the early elections and the legislation. abstained due to confusion. We support the bill."

Schedule

The schedule for the 19th Knesset elections as it would take place if they are not postponed or held earlier than prescribed by law.

4 September 2013 - The last day that each party is allowed to submit their candidate lists to the "Central Elections Committee".
10 October 2013 - Election Day would be held in Israeli naval vessels abroad, as well as in Israeli diplomatic and consular missions abroad.
19 October 2013 - Starting at sunset, it is prohibited to publicize opinion polls.
21 October 2013 - Election campaigning in public is prohibited after 19:00.
22 October 2013 - Election Day, 07:00 AM to 22:00 PM.
4 or 11 November 2013 - the 19th Knesset will convene.
6 November 2013 - the last possible day that the President of Israel can appoint the Knesset Member to establish the 33rd Israeli government.

/... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Israeli_legislative_election

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:47 PM

16. Well, this does sound like a complete mess.

I've been told that small, ultra-religious parties have a lot of political pull in the Israeli parliament, which seems like what is happening here, at least to a large extent. The ultra-orthodox who are exempt from miltary service would be a problem if they're the ones who are screaming for an attack on Iran and others. Nonetheless, political problems should stay at home: really, they don't travel well anywhere outside their appellation controlle', or home country. That goes for the U.S., too.

On edit: thanks for posting. Very interesting.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:17 PM

17. True. Thanks for commenting. My take is that the attack on Iran is postpostoned,

for now, due to domestic opposition to Netanyahu's fervent plans amongst military & intelligence figures, politicians, and broad swathes of Israeli and broader Jewish society, as well as from the Obama administration and the so-called "international community", the allied, the aligned and the non-aligned...

But this could change at the drop of Netanhayu's hat ( short-sharp election being possible, I'd guess, too).

Right now, though, it's clear Obama is for real on this, until after the US election. So Netanyahu will be supporting Rmoney all the way as the candidate, in his view, easy to manipulate.

(Unless of course all this is a sophisticated double-double bluff in order to gain a degree of tactical surprise and the attack will occur... this coming Saturday morning).

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:53 PM

18. My view is that Netanyahu sees Mitt's followers and money people as easy to manipulate.

Mitt can be manipulated because he wants the Presidency so badly for unknown reasons, except maybe because his Dad didn't make it.

I hope that you're right about the strike on Iran being postponed. I'm concerned that the Islamic world will go bonkers on Friday after the main service at noon. Watch to see if there are problems on Friday afternoon. I'll be watching on Saturday.

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