Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:58 PM

Purveyor (13,177 posts)

Film That Sparked Cairo, Bengazi Protests The Work Of An American-Israeli

Source: The Australian

THE film at the centre of anti-US protests in the Middle East was made by an Israeli-American who describes Islam as a "cancer", the Wall Street Journal says.

The movie, Innocence of Muslims, was directed and produced by Sam Bacile, a 52-year-old real-estate developer from southern California who says Islam is a hateful religion.

"Islam is a cancer," Mr Bacile told the newspaper.

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Mr Bacile told the paper on Tuesday he was responsible for the film, saying he had raised $US5 million ($A4.81 million) to make it from about 100 Jewish donors, who he declined to identify.

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Film That Sparked Cairo, Bengazi Protests The Work Of An American-Israeli (Original post)	Purveyor	Sep 2012	OP
these people need to get a fucking life... 5m on this shite!	trailmonkee	Sep 2012	#1
???? How about the people doing the murdering of a movie?	naaman fletcher	Sep 2012	#40
No, you see, the movie is the problem,	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#61
Everyone sees what is going on, both the intent of creating this movie and its desired effect.	The Stranger	Sep 2012	#109
we didn't know because the filmaker and its backers don't give a shit about the lives of others,	nanabugg	Sep 2012	#140
five million'll buy a lot of hate speech....	mike_c	Sep 2012	#2
If your response to being called hateful and violent	Kurska	Sep 2012	#5
Murdering innocent people because you are "insulted" by a movie is despicable	oberliner	Sep 2012	#21
gotta correct you slightly, murdering anyone over a movie is despicable, no offense.	loli phabay	Sep 2012	#22
Intentionally inciting such people to murder is equally despicable.	The Stranger	Sep 2012	#110
Not even close	oberliner	Sep 2012	#124
This isn't film making. This was simply created knowingly to spark violence.	The Stranger	Sep 2012	#155
There are people who would riot, murder, kill and burn shit over 2 men kissing, or a naked boob.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2012	#168
Thank you.	whathehell	Sep 2012	#187
What a mess	davidthegnome	Sep 2012	#3
doesn't surprise me at all this pseudo-Christian asshat was involved.	Roland99	Sep 2012	#69
This lunatic is a Christian Dominionist.	amandabeech	Sep 2012	#159
Religious intolerance is unAmerican.	McCamy Taylor	Sep 2012	#4
Eh, respectfully submit that Islam is different from other religions.	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#15
Really? Glad our crusading RW fundies don't kill abortion doctors, bomb clinics, or OKC Murrah BLDG	hlthe2b	Sep 2012	#26
I personally loathe all religions. I only point out that Islam is many orders of magnitude	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#33
Perhaps a run through history might give you more perspective-- Crusades ring even a distant bell?	hlthe2b	Sep 2012	#36
I wish you well in your campaign against the Crusades,	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#45
No one here is defending the violence.. Ugly ugly strawman argument you have going there....	hlthe2b	Sep 2012	#47
And yet, the bulk of posts in this thread are attacking the film,	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#88
I blame both	davidpdx	Sep 2012	#185
Refusing to acknowledge obvious differences in cultures, religions or anything, really	whathehell	Sep 2012	#193
Islam is no more violent than Christianity. It's all about who's interpreting, and what they	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#57
In the entire span of human history they're probably pretty equal	SpartanDem	Sep 2012	#97
"but in the 21st century fundie Islam is no match for fundie Christians."	atreides1	Sep 2012	#129
one difference, I think, is this:	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#138
LOL	whathehell	Sep 2012	#192
Is your point that Christianity is 1,000 years ahead of Islam? nt	naaman fletcher	Sep 2012	#139
Yes, very "distant" in that it happened centuries ago.	whathehell	Sep 2012	#188
Your simplistic ability to analyze, much less read what I wrote in my post, makes response to you	hlthe2b	Sep 2012	#190
No need to analyze a knee jerk "example" that is referenced repeatedly here	whathehell	Sep 2012	#191
With respect to hypocrisy...	hlthe2b	Sep 2012	#38
You realize that the Nazis in Germany were a right-wing Christian group	auburngrad82	Sep 2012	#64
They sure did kill a few. Many Christians and clergy in that number.	mwooldri	Sep 2012	#113
I think your depiction of the Nazis as only nominally Christian is pretty accurate.	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#115
The Nazis tried to co-copt Christian churches.	amandabeech	Sep 2012	#161
There is ample documentation of the fact that many of the Nazi Party leadership drew upon pagan	bobthedrummer	Sep 2012	#196
Consider the possibility that having spent decades under the thumb of a violent despot	magical thyme	Sep 2012	#96
Correct - they assume media from other countries is state sponsored	jberryhill	Sep 2012	#102
You make some very good points, and I appreciate your taking the time to do so.	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#111
"these maniacs" are people. How about if we censor hate speech?	magical thyme	Sep 2012	#117
Thanks for pointing out all fundies are fucking nuts..	snooper2	Sep 2012	#90
Would you agree that Muslim fundies are also	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#93
of course they are, all fundies have something wrong in the brain..	snooper2	Sep 2012	#95
Thanks for clarifying. nt	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#107
Certainly right-wing ideology is dangerous anywhere	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#30
I don't belong to any religious group. I only point out that Islam is far more prone to	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#35
It is true that today there is too much radical conservatism in the Muslim world.	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#46
Let me be less coy, then...	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#58
OK, you had me and then you lost me	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#68
A liberal Western education would go a long way,	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#94
How about not DELIBERATELY inflaming the sensitivites of people of other countries and cultures?	whathehell	Sep 2012	#189
thank you, well said.	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#60
And a RW Republican advocated for DNC female Senators to have acid thrown on them. Get a clue.	hlthe2b	Sep 2012	#37
Actually, Townsend made that despicable remark several months ago	onenote	Sep 2012	#79
He should have been criminally charged. Speech of that	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#91
ever hear of the crusades or the spanish inquisition?	frylock	Sep 2012	#131
I've heard of the crusades...	EX500rider	Sep 2012	#142
Yup, heard of the crusades. I fully support your efforts to prosecute those	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#162
Hate is what he exemplifies, plain and simple.	The Stranger	Sep 2012	#6
I'm Catholic - have seen	emilyg	Sep 2012	#10
See reply #30 /nt	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#31
Don't worry, there have been scores of Catholics before you that DID feel the need to murder.	The Stranger	Sep 2012	#112
Any in the last hundred years?	oberliner	Sep 2012	#171
Then you admit that there have been scores of Catholics murdering for millenia.	The Stranger	Sep 2012	#200
I was just curious if there were any recent examples	oberliner	Sep 2012	#201
A stupid decision responded with more stupidity	rachel1	Sep 2012	#7
Ah... but it has an ulterior motive. Just use some critical thinking about what this means to	nanabugg	Sep 2012	#14
not defending violence of any kind, but we can't kid ourselves that this was just a stupid movie	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#65
Why can't this movie be compare to 'Life of Brian'?	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#114
It can, what a comparison shows	Chiquitita	Sep 2012	#118
You can't compare the two because of context, timing, intention, and especially recent history.	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#134
Thanks for that excellent post. I can see that you've thought about this issue	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#180
thank you.	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#182
It's a nut war.	defacto7	Sep 2012	#8
Interesting that the film was at first being claimed to have been the work of Egyptian Coptics	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#9
WTF? Are these guys on acid?	Comrade Grumpy	Sep 2012	#12
The producer of the film, Bacile, may have been born in Egypt.	amandabeech	Sep 2012	#141
Fumming	Biafran	Sep 2012	#17
there may have been more to it ya know little stuff like NATO bombings ect	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#50
NATO bombed Egypt?	EX500rider	Sep 2012	#143
not fast step there kudo's n/t	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#144
Do you mean the NATO bombing that liberated the Libyans for 40 years	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#165
Where is your ire directed?	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#116
Are you actually blaming the movie?	oberliner	Sep 2012	#19
You do realise this movie is full of bigotry and hate and isn't merely 'mocking'?	Violet_Crumble	Sep 2012	#41
agree it is the intention of the film makers that makes the difference. never to excuse violence	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#74
Absolutely	oberliner	Sep 2012	#119
well it seems that some are quite satisfied with intended incitement	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#49
You shouldn't kill people because of a movie	oberliner	Sep 2012	#120
and once again perhaps it was more than just the movie n/t	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#146
right...	Javaman	Sep 2012	#71
Huh?	oberliner	Sep 2012	#122
"Movies mocking religions should be plentiful and freely made with impunity. "	Javaman	Sep 2012	#125
I support the right to make movies mocking religion	oberliner	Sep 2012	#150
That's not what you said.	Javaman	Sep 2012	#167
Yes it is	oberliner	Sep 2012	#178
Then go for it.	Javaman	Sep 2012	#186
I'm 100% with you on that, brother. nt	Flatulo	Sep 2012	#121
so you're condoning the willfull incitement of violence?	frylock	Sep 2012	#133
Many movies seek to incite. Or inspire. Or scare. Or make you laugh.	Zax2me	Sep 2012	#32
yes glad to see your such a fan of 'Hollywood' n/t	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#53
True, but usually people who claim artistic license for controversial work	Blue_Tires	Sep 2012	#78
But if you saw this "movie" in a theatre and yelled "FIRE" you'd be arrested.	bunnies	Sep 2012	#59
Wow...Even the MST3K crew wouldn't get within 100 miles of this shitpile...	Blue_Tires	Sep 2012	#73
Turns out it was the work of Coptic Christians	oberliner	Sep 2012	#173
Egyptian Copts to protest against ‘Islam insult’ film	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#177
Man will not truly be free...	awoke_in_2003	Sep 2012	#11
Told you so! nt	nanabugg	Sep 2012	#13
Deport him to Egypt	mwrguy	Sep 2012	#16
yeah brilliant idea, what next deport anyone else who pisses of some religious nuts.	loli phabay	Sep 2012	#20
Yeah, let's fuck free speech. To hell with the 1st amendment.	cali	Sep 2012	#23
Grow Up	oldsarge54	Sep 2012	#44
Don't you think that there is a responsibility to use your right to free speech wisely?	auburngrad82	Sep 2012	#66
yes, but there's no mandate to do so.	cali	Sep 2012	#72
Well it just so happens our consulate in Benghazi has a job opening...	Blue_Tires	Sep 2012	#77
Killing people because of a movie is deranged	oberliner	Sep 2012	#18
but making such a movie a movie the maker admited was political a movie that clearly	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#56
Batman led to the killing of more people	oberliner	Sep 2012	#123
and that was the director's intent?	frylock	Sep 2012	#137
Of course not	oberliner	Sep 2012	#149
uhhh no, i believe the intent of this film was to incite violence..	frylock	Sep 2012	#169
I disagree in both cases	oberliner	Sep 2012	#172
nobody had seen the movie till that night as it was the first screening..	frylock	Sep 2012	#181
Interesting comment n/t	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#145
more stupid than interesting imho	frylock	Sep 2012	#170
The protestor/murderers thought this "film" was going to release in theaters all over the US	Kolesar	Sep 2012	#24
This story is not about whether or not it is appropriate to make fun of religion...	Blue State Bandit	Sep 2012	#25
Exactly...	hlthe2b	Sep 2012	#27
In that case, isn't anything which makes fun of religion ...	GodlessBiker	Sep 2012	#29
You miss the point. This was clearly a concerted effort to elicit a violent reaction.	Blue State Bandit	Sep 2012	#42
Awww - poor babies got their feelings hurt	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#39
Facts on the ground.	Blue State Bandit	Sep 2012	#43
I can say with 100% certainty that	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#48
Not really. I asked how rational you would be.	Blue State Bandit	Sep 2012	#55
I would ignore it	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#63
Don't you think the film makers are aware that MOST people would ignore it?	auburngrad82	Sep 2012	#76
Rational adults would certainly ignore it	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#80
See response 54	auburngrad82	Sep 2012	#83
Every bit as responsible?	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#86
If the movie was never posted on youtube, this would not have happened.	Blue State Bandit	Sep 2012	#104
Perhaps	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#105
There are those on both sides who want this war. These people didn't just wake up yesterday...	Blue State Bandit	Sep 2012	#84
bullshit..	frylock	Sep 2012	#136
No - I'm funny that way	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#154
Only extremists say things 100% certainty.	Kindly Refrain	Sep 2012	#132
More bullshit	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#152
Please tell me	moleman1976	Sep 2012	#184
pretty much everyone's attitude is part of the problem.	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#81
That's my point	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#82
there are civilized and uncivilized people everywhere living in close proximity to each other.	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#85
I know what I see	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#87
statement from Tripoli	Voice for Peace	Sep 2012	#151
I saw that and wanted to come back	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#153
This compares to antisemetic literature and films of the past	csziggy	Sep 2012	#67
I'm mentally trying to compare it to Triumph of the Will, and getting a divide by zero error	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#106
Triumph of the Will was the culmunation of hubdreds of years of antisemetism	csziggy	Sep 2012	#174
"He" is not Israeli nor a Jew.	Behind the Aegis	Sep 2012	#176
I saw that after I had written my message	csziggy	Sep 2012	#179
This was indeed planned out.	Behind the Aegis	Sep 2012	#183
I just read about the possible Coptic connection in the fishwrap this morning	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#195
I suspect that the YouTube clips are all that actually exists	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#194
I haven't tried to watch them but the descriptions made me think	csziggy	Sep 2012	#199
So it is the FILM'S fault....oh.	Zax2me	Sep 2012	#28
Sam Bacile, Anti-Islam Filmmaker, In Hiding After Protests	no_hypocrisy	Sep 2012	#34
This religious hatred crap is getting exhausting	JanMichael	Sep 2012	#51
You and me both and then there is the constant whine of "but they started it first" like that	cstanleytech	Sep 2012	#70
Has Rmoney signed him up as an adviser yet?	polichick	Sep 2012	#52
"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"	KeepItReal	Sep 2012	#54
Yelling Fire in a theatre or inciting a riot are major crimes	graham4anything	Sep 2012	#62
Intolerant religious crazies made the movie,	HooptieWagon	Sep 2012	#75
An Israeli made this film.	closeupready	Sep 2012	#89
"Interesting" discussion here. So to some folks, would it be OK to film the Protocols of	Malikshah	Sep 2012	#92
Jesus Christ Superstar was labelled as blasphemy and sacrilege by Billy Graham and others	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#98
Yeah, come to think of it, I don't remember much rioting over the Book of Mormon play either.	LAGC	Sep 2012	#99
Another false equivalence ---	Malikshah	Sep 2012	#101
False equivalence here. JCS didn't depict its characters as pedophiles and slackers, nor did	Malikshah	Sep 2012	#100
It challenges the existence of God and the deity of Jesus, core beliefs among all Christians	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#103
Uh....who told you that about JCS?? Wow! Talk about needing a thick skin!	Malikshah	Sep 2012	#147
It doesn't bother me a bit	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#148
Sick of all these media heads inciting hate, then hiding behind their "Art"	pink-o	Sep 2012	#108
This message was self-deleted by its author	polichick	Sep 2012	#126
You're sure he's a Jew? How do you know?	aquart	Sep 2012	#127
There's a post elsewhere in GD	dipsydoodle	Sep 2012	#128
He may be Egyptian	Kolesar	Sep 2012	#130
Look for those who thought they would benefit from this film.	kiranon	Sep 2012	#135
Bacile not Israeli	nlof	Sep 2012	#156
Many Israelis know Arabic	Kindly Refrain	Sep 2012	#157
Steve Klein, the only person so far who purports to know Bacile, stated that Bacile is not Israeli	goodhue	Sep 2012	#158
You mean Steve Klein who is a member	Kindly Refrain	Sep 2012	#160
Indeed, he has no credibility, and may have perpetrated hoax over existence of film	goodhue	Sep 2012	#163
James O'Keefe. Where is he?	randome	Sep 2012	#164
Religious bigots Everywhere	texshelters	Sep 2012	#166
Turns out your story is BS	oberliner	Sep 2012	#175
Wasn't my 'story' however it was the story that was running on all the wires at the time of posting.	Purveyor	Sep 2012	#197
The person responsible for this headline should be fired	oberliner	Sep 2012	#198

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:13 AM

trailmonkee (2,595 posts)

Film That Sparked Cairo, Bengazi Protests The Work Of An American-Israeli

1. these people need to get a fucking life... 5m on this shite!

40. ???? How about the people doing the murdering of a movie?

61. No, you see, the movie is the problem,

109. Everyone sees what is going on, both the intent of creating this movie and its desired effect.

140. we didn't know because the filmaker and its backers don't give a shit about the lives of others,

2. five million'll buy a lot of hate speech....

5. If your response to being called hateful and violent

21. Murdering innocent people because you are "insulted" by a movie is despicable

22. gotta correct you slightly, murdering anyone over a movie is despicable, no offense.

110. Intentionally inciting such people to murder is equally despicable.

124. Not even close

155. This isn't film making. This was simply created knowingly to spark violence.

168. There are people who would riot, murder, kill and burn shit over 2 men kissing, or a naked boob.

187. Thank you.

3. What a mess

69. doesn't surprise me at all this pseudo-Christian asshat was involved.

159. This lunatic is a Christian Dominionist.

4. Religious intolerance is unAmerican.

15. Eh, respectfully submit that Islam is different from other religions.

26. Really? Glad our crusading RW fundies don't kill abortion doctors, bomb clinics, or OKC Murrah BLDG

33. I personally loathe all religions. I only point out that Islam is many orders of magnitude

36. Perhaps a run through history might give you more perspective-- Crusades ring even a distant bell?

45. I wish you well in your campaign against the Crusades,

47. No one here is defending the violence.. Ugly ugly strawman argument you have going there....

88. And yet, the bulk of posts in this thread are attacking the film,

185. I blame both

193. Refusing to acknowledge obvious differences in cultures, religions or anything, really

57. Islam is no more violent than Christianity. It's all about who's interpreting, and what they

97. In the entire span of human history they're probably pretty equal

129. "but in the 21st century fundie Islam is no match for fundie Christians."

138. one difference, I think, is this:

192. LOL

139. Is your point that Christianity is 1,000 years ahead of Islam? nt

188. Yes, very "distant" in that it happened centuries ago.

190. Your simplistic ability to analyze, much less read what I wrote in my post, makes response to you

191. No need to analyze a knee jerk "example" that is referenced repeatedly here

38. With respect to hypocrisy...

64. You realize that the Nazis in Germany were a right-wing Christian group

113. They sure did kill a few. Many Christians and clergy in that number.

115. I think your depiction of the Nazis as only nominally Christian is pretty accurate.

161. The Nazis tried to co-copt Christian churches.

196. There is ample documentation of the fact that many of the Nazi Party leadership drew upon pagan

96. Consider the possibility that having spent decades under the thumb of a violent despot

102. Correct - they assume media from other countries is state sponsored

111. You make some very good points, and I appreciate your taking the time to do so.

117. "these maniacs" are people. How about if we censor hate speech?

90. Thanks for pointing out all fundies are fucking nuts..

93. Would you agree that Muslim fundies are also

95. of course they are, all fundies have something wrong in the brain..

107. Thanks for clarifying. nt

30. Certainly right-wing ideology is dangerous anywhere

35. I don't belong to any religious group. I only point out that Islam is far more prone to

46. It is true that today there is too much radical conservatism in the Muslim world.

58. Let me be less coy, then...

68. OK, you had me and then you lost me

94. A liberal Western education would go a long way,

189. How about not DELIBERATELY inflaming the sensitivites of people of other countries and cultures?

60. thank you, well said.

37. And a RW Republican advocated for DNC female Senators to have acid thrown on them. Get a clue.

79. Actually, Townsend made that despicable remark several months ago

91. He should have been criminally charged. Speech of that

131. ever hear of the crusades or the spanish inquisition?

142. I've heard of the crusades...

162. Yup, heard of the crusades. I fully support your efforts to prosecute those

6. Hate is what he exemplifies, plain and simple.

10. I'm Catholic - have seen

31. See reply #30 /nt

112. Don't worry, there have been scores of Catholics before you that DID feel the need to murder.

171. Any in the last hundred years?

200. Then you admit that there have been scores of Catholics murdering for millenia.

201. I was just curious if there were any recent examples

7. A stupid decision responded with more stupidity

14. Ah... but it has an ulterior motive. Just use some critical thinking about what this means to

65. not defending violence of any kind, but we can't kid ourselves that this was just a stupid movie

114. Why can't this movie be compare to 'Life of Brian'?

118. It can, what a comparison shows

134. You can't compare the two because of context, timing, intention, and especially recent history.

180. Thanks for that excellent post. I can see that you've thought about this issue

182. thank you.