Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:51 PM
choie (1,182 posts)
Administration urges terror surveillance renewalLast edited Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:53 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Source: AP
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration maintains it is unable to say how many times one of the government's most politically sensitive anti-terrorism surveillance programs — which is up for renewal this week on Capitol Hill — has inadvertently gathered intelligence about U.S. citizens. In a briefing for reporters on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the general counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said Tuesday that the program designed to monitor international communications by terrorist suspects has collected an extraordinary amount of valuable intelligence overseas about foreign terrorist suspects while simultaneously protecting civil liberties of Americans. Originated by the George W. Bush administration, the program was publicly disclosed by The New York Times in 2005 and was restructured in 2008 to provide oversight by a secret federal court and with additional oversight from Congress. Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/administration-urges-terror-surveillance-renewal-182138348.html "The program "is not a tool for spying on Americans," said Robert Litt, the general counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence." OH BULLSHIT.
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| choie | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| OnyxCollie | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| Solly Mack | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| lib2DaBone | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| choie | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| The Roux Comes First | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| CRH | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| DeSwiss | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| freshwest | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| Nihil | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| part man all 86 | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| DeSwiss | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| olddad56 | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| Township75 | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| bbgrunt | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| awoke_in_2003 | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| a2liberal | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| blkmusclmachine | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| dreamnightwind | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| Wilms | Sep 2012 | #19 |
Response to choie (Original post)
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:55 PM
OnyxCollie (6,572 posts)
1. IT'S SAVIN' LIVES!!1
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and other non-rational explanations for not following the law.
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Response to choie (Original post)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:05 AM
lib2DaBone (8,124 posts)
3. Does anyone notice...?
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Notice how Mr. Obama has conveniently kept in place so many of the things he derided President Bush for. Patriot Act, NDAA, torture.
Ever notice that they are tools to consolidate power in the Executive Branch of our government? Tyranny creeps into our governemnt .... wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible. Hate to bring this up at election time... but I read tonight about Mr. Obama's increased Drone strikes.. and I have to hang my head in silence. |
Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #3)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:12 AM
choie (1,182 posts)
5. Right on the money, lib2DaBone...and..
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ever notice that many of the things WE (Democrats) derided President Bush for (Patriot Act, NDAA, torture) we accept from Obama? (PLUS the drone strikes)...
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Response to choie (Reply #5)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:07 AM
The Roux Comes First (204 posts)
11. I'm Not Sure Who That "We" Is
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but I believe I am far from alone in having to hold my nose in this election, knowing that failure to support Obama would be unpatriotic and even treasonous in terms of having any chance of beginning to fight to restore the principles on which this country was founded.
Rmoney and the current republiswine, exploiting the destruction engendered by President Cheney and his little toady, still reading at the grade-school level, could easily destroy what is left of our rapidly-expiring experiment in self-government. Unfortunately, our candidate, while accomplishing some great things, not the least being to float positive ideas like "hope" rather than the fear and terror that were the previous administration's sine qua non, has been hamstrung by an opposition that has even advertised that taking him down is more important than taking care of the business of caring for our country and each other. We must make certain their program fails big-time. But many of us continue to be very concerned at how little the O administration has done to redress the appalling erosion of human rights that Cheney's neocons so gleefully undertook. A little correction around the edges seems to be the most we can feel good about. "Maybe" no more waterboarding. Closing Guantanamo - not so fast. NO real investigation/prosecutorial actions as far as I know for what almost certainly included war crimes very high up in the prior administration (and, not coincidentally, very likely involved numerous members of the same intelligence agencies that have doubtless profited hugely from our ongoing fear-based governance and quite likely have skated on any number of other historical crimes, international and domestic, including assassinations in both venues). |
Response to The Roux Comes First (Reply #11)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:17 AM
CRH (1,211 posts)
16. Thank You, you express well what many feel...
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Add in some climate honesty as a political failing, and the critique will be complete.
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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #3)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:29 AM
DeSwiss (17,218 posts)
7. Yeah, I did notice that......
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...and it used to bother me a lot. That is until I reached the only conclusion that's possible.
- He couldn't stop it if he wanted to. Not and stay alive..........
The Purpose of War According to George Orwell (1984)
The primary aim of modern warfare is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living. Ever since the end of the nineteenth century, the problem of what to do with the surplus of consumption goods has been latent in industrial society. From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations. And in fact, without being used for any such purpose, but by a sort of automatic process — by producing wealth which it was sometimes impossible not to distribute — the machine did raise the living standards of the average human being very greatly over a period of about fifty years at the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries. But it was also clear that an all-round increase in wealth threatened the destruction — indeed, in some sense was the destruction — of a hierarchical society. In a world in which everyone worked short hours, had enough to eat, lived in a house with a bathroom and a refrigerator, and possessed a motor-car or even an aeroplane, the most obvious and perhaps the most important form of inequality would already have disappeared. If it once became general, wealth would confer no distinction. It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in which wealth, in the sense of personal possessions and luxuries, should be evenly distributed, while power remained in the hands of a small privileged caste. But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realize that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away. In the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance. MORE |
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:18 AM
freshwest (31,524 posts)
12. Ah, thanks, was looking for that one.
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:07 AM
Nihil (11,244 posts)
17. Kick for the very relevant comment block in your reply. (n/t)
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Response to choie (Original post)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:07 AM
part man all 86 (367 posts)
4. I sorry but we had the tools and means before 9/11, they were ignored.
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Why do we need more?
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Response to part man all 86 (Reply #4)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:32 AM
DeSwiss (17,218 posts)
8. What they've always needed it for: ''To control us.'' :-/ n/t
Response to part man all 86 (Reply #4)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:35 AM
olddad56 (2,836 posts)
9. Bravo...
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Maybe the Bush Admin knew that they would personally gain from the 911 disaster. I believe that, at the very least, they knew they would benefit from ignoring the numerous warning signs.
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Response to choie (Original post)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:15 AM
Township75 (3,193 posts)
6. This thread is going to sink fast. If it said Bush admin urges, or Dick Cheney urgers terror survei
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llance renewal, you would have 90+ posts by now.
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Response to choie (Original post)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:20 AM
awoke_in_2003 (18,512 posts)
13. I am just glad...
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the chocolate ration was increased last week. Baaaaah.
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Response to choie (Original post)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:21 AM
blkmusclmachine (2,875 posts)


- He couldn't stop it if he wanted to. Not and stay alive..........