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Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:39 PM

Ryan: I Didn’t Vote For The Defense Cuts I Voted For

Source: ThinkProgress

Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan has gotten in hot water before for criticizing President Obama for the very same defense cuts that he voted for in 2011. When confronted with this incongruity today on Face The Nation, Ryan simply denied that he ever voted for the cuts,

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O’DONNELL: Now you’re criticizing the President for those same defense cuts you’re voting for and called a victory.

RYAN: No, no — I have to correct on you this, Norah. I voted for a mechanism that says the sequester will occur if we don’t cut $1.2 trillion in government. … We can get into this nomenclature; I voted for the Budget Control Act. But the Obama Administration proposed $478 billion in defense cuts. We don’t agree with that, our budget rejected that, and then on top of that is another $500 billion in defense cuts in the sequester.

O’DONNELL: Right. A trillion dollars in defense spending, and you voted for it!

RYAN: No, Norah. I voted for the Budget Control Act.

O’DONNELL: That included defense spending!

RYAN: Norah, you’re mistaken.

O’Donnell is, in fact, not mistaken. The Budget Control Act, as passed, included both the roughly $600 billion in “sequestration” cuts that will happen if there’s no compromise on the budget by December as well as the $487 billion of military-supported cuts that will take place regardless. The fact that Ryan may have wished that the bill didn’t contain said defense cuts does not absolve him of the fact that he and 201 other Republicans voted for the bill as-passed.
Moreover, Ryan’s statement after voting for the bill contained not a single word of criticism about the defense cuts.

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Watch it:




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Reply Ryan: I Didn’t Vote For The Defense Cuts I Voted For (Original post)
DonViejo Sep 2012 OP
sakabatou Sep 2012 #1
BlueStreak Sep 2012 #32
sakabatou Sep 2012 #42
craigmatic Sep 2012 #2
smirkymonkey Sep 2012 #3
noiretextatique Sep 2012 #10
muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #16
noiretextatique Sep 2012 #21
catbyte Sep 2012 #4
SunSeeker Sep 2012 #5
SDjack Sep 2012 #24
SunSeeker Sep 2012 #25
BlueStreak Sep 2012 #34
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2012 #6
Iliyah Sep 2012 #7
proud patriot Sep 2012 #8
calimary Sep 2012 #9
Cha Sep 2012 #31
calimary Sep 2012 #46
liberal N proud Sep 2012 #11
The Wielding Truth Sep 2012 #12
aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #13
CanonRay Sep 2012 #14
Cha Sep 2012 #29
alcibiades_mystery Sep 2012 #15
mac56 Sep 2012 #45
lexx21 Sep 2012 #17
Berlum Sep 2012 #18
mountain grammy Sep 2012 #19
hedda_foil Sep 2012 #20
Cha Sep 2012 #28
polichick Sep 2012 #22
SDjack Sep 2012 #23
tibbiit Sep 2012 #26
karynnj Sep 2012 #35
Cha Sep 2012 #27
spiderpig Sep 2012 #30
SoapBox Sep 2012 #38
spiderpig Sep 2012 #41
Setsuna1972 Sep 2012 #33
Kingofalldems Sep 2012 #36
SoapBox Sep 2012 #37
Nikia Sep 2012 #39
and-justice-for-all Sep 2012 #40
bigtree Sep 2012 #43
SemperEadem Sep 2012 #44

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:40 PM

1. More of Lyin' Ryan.

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:39 PM

32. If it is anything like the stimulus projects he denied seeking ...

and the health care money from "Obamacare" he denied requesting, tomorrow his staff will come back with a statement that acknowledges that he was lying again.

Why does he lie so much on things that are so easy to verify factually?

At least Romney is evasive about everything. Ryan isn't evasive. He just lies.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:17 PM

42. Maybe it's pathogical

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:40 PM

2. This guy is a habitual liar

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:42 PM

3. It would almost be funny if it weren't such a serious situation,

This guy cannot be let anywhere near the Oval Office.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:50 PM

16. Check if they have "-R" as a suffix to their name

it's the simplest reliable method.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:22 PM

21. indeed

unfortunately, that's a very accurate diagnostic tool.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:43 PM

4. douche bag

If that's too sexist, how about colostomy bag?

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:49 PM

5. So you voted for the bill but not what's in it?!

When are these journalists going to just laugh in these a-holes' faces? But props to O'Donnell for at least calling him on it.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:43 PM

24. I would love to be the fly-on-the-wall when

his staff chief explains to him that when he votes for a compromise bill, he owns the entire contents.

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Response to SDjack (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:04 PM

25. When you vote for ANY bill, you own its contents.

Maybe his chief of staff should have him sit through Schoolhouse Rock.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:43 PM

34. Paul Ryan breaks new ground by pioneering the ise of "Voting statements"

Following the familiar pattern of George W. Bush's "signing statements, and learning from his mentor, Mitt Romney's, ability to change history retroactively, Paul Ryan has developed a powerful new legislative maneuver, the Retroactive Voting Statement.

The RVS allows any legislator to make a statement about any bill he voted for that disowns the bill entirely or in part. The true innovation of the RVS is that the legislator can use this maneuver months or even years after the fact to disown any prior vote.

Just another example of the bold new leadership brought to Washington by the teabaggers.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:50 PM

6. Sociopath.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:50 PM

7. Boner, McConnell, Cantor, Ryan, and the whole lot

of GOPpers are pathological liars. When I hear Boner claim with a straight face that it was the GOP who tried to pass a JOBS BILL, just boils my blood.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:53 PM

8. lol

priceless

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:54 PM

9. They're actually still calling him on these lies? FABULOUS!!!!!!

Never thought I'd see the day. Always hoped for it but too cynical to think it would.

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Response to calimary (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:27 PM

31. That's Way more Shocking than

Lyin' Lies!!

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Response to Cha (Reply #31)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 03:58 PM

46. Yeah, no kidding!

Last edited Mon Sep 10, 2012, 03:58 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

And I guess david gregory actually leaned on romney a little bit yesterday on "Meet the Press." romney and his trusty blonde sidekick, ayn romney.



Will wonders never cease?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:06 PM

11. Ryan must have blocked that part of it from his tiny little memory.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:10 PM

12. Can you even start to imagine him in line to be President. EWWWW!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:34 PM

13. If I ever hear him say the 12/21/12 Mayan doomsday prediction is a hoax

that's when I'll shit my pants and hurry up and finish my rocket ship to get off the planet.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:38 PM

14. He's lied more than I can ever remember in any campaign

and he's only been in it a couple of weeks. Amazing. This guy has no moral code whatsoever.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:23 PM

29. And, so the other 1/2 of the Campaign doesn't get left out..

Here's 33 Volumes of Mitt's LIES by Steve Benen..

b]"Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity, Vol. XXXIII"

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/07/13731433-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxxiii?lite

The first 32 Volumes are at the link, too..

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:43 PM

15. Ryan's Twisted Logic: I voted for the consequences of not compromising

Then I refused to compromise, so those consequences kicked in.

But I didn't vote for the consequences themselves.

I just voted that they should be the specific consequences if we didn't compromise, and then I didn't compromise.

See the difference, Joe Citizen?



This is Eddie Haskellesque in its weaselness.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 09:51 AM

45. "Eddie Haskellesque in its weaselness."

This.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:55 PM

17. She should have...

whipped out a copy of the bill that he voted for, also providing him one, and ask him to point out where she is wrong. He wouldn't be able to do it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:12 PM

18. Enen when he is caught in a lie, he lies about it.

Ryan is a lying liar -- a Republican speciality.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:15 PM

19. I won't go, I won't go, I won't go! I'll stomp my feet an turn blue

You're mistaken, Norah! Little Eddie Munster, aka lyin' ryan, says so!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:20 PM

20. Great job, Norah!

She absolutely hammered him!

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:20 PM

28. That right there is shocking

from hearing about N O'D's history on republicon accountability!

So happy she did that! But, Lyin' is trying to correct her when she knows damn well he's lying.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:26 PM

22. Nice try, for a lyin' liar.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:36 PM

23. Lyin' Ryan-in-a-Box needs Pres. Obama to save him

by conceding on taxes and cuts. Looks like that is not going to happen. Rmoney must now see his mistake in bring this POS to the ticket.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:08 PM

26. Remembver Kerry being evicerated for

saying I was for it before I was against it?
(or something like that)
tib

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Response to tibbiit (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:55 PM

35. I do - and it is nowhere near the same thing

Kerry was for a version of the funding bill that PAID for it by rolling back the then new tax cuts for the top 1% - something consistent with American history of not cutting taxes when we face the high costs of even one war. He voted against the Bush version that added it onto the debt.

(In Kerry's case it was the media piling onto a Republican gotcha quote that ignored that he had just explained in detail to an earlier questioner about 5 minutes before who asked the same question of why he voted against the funding.)

The difference is while Kerry's shorthand was a gift to the Republicans, there was NEVER any doubt that he was speaking of two versions of the bill - and he was for the version Bush said he would veto. Note that now that the deficit is the issue, Kerry's preferred version would have been far better for the country'

In Ryan's case he is saying he did not vote for something that he really really did vote for. The fact is that he, like EVERY Senator or Congressman have to vote on the bills before them - not the bills they want.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:17 PM

27. Why does "Little

Lyin' Fucker" pop in my mind everytime we go through another of his bald face LIES on national tv?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:26 PM

30. This guy just creeps me out bigtime.

And it's another indicator of Mittens decision-making abilities that he agreed to put this jerk on his ticket.

Ugh.

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Response to spiderpig (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 07:47 PM

38. Creepy, yes.

I agree.

He makes my skin crawl....like I'm look'n into the cold, black eyes (and soul) or Damien or Satan, take your pick.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #38)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:23 PM

41. You're absolutely right, SoapBox

There's a book written by a Harvard psychologist called "The Sociopath Next Door". And it doesn't focus on serial killers.

They estimate 4% of the population is sociopathic, meaning they regard other beings as objects no different from a table or chair. You are just a thing. These are the people who stab you in the back at work, cut off handicapped people in crosswalks - you know their ilk.

I thought at this point in human development, we'd be better than this - allowing these creatures to even get their toe in the door (let alone steal elections).

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:41 PM

33. oh my god

Dude you're worse than Palin--how do yuo deny voting for the defense cuts that YOU wrote up and signed off on ???

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 07:06 PM

36. I deny it! And I once ran a 3 minute mile!

So there.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 07:46 PM

37. I was for it, before I was against it!

Signed,

CouponCare

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:00 PM

39. Even if he meant that he didn't agree with the defense cuts,

shouldn't he have said that rather than repeating that he didn't vote for the defense cuts.
We had a local politician vote for a budget that contained some things that she did not like. When she ran for higher office, her opponent highlighted that she voted for the things that she did not like. While she would not have voted for those things, she voted for the budget because it is was a compromise. She told the press that she voted for the compromise. She did not deny that she vote for it.
I think that it would have been acceptable for Ryan to use that language, that yes he voted for the budget that included the defense cuts but he wasn't happy about the defense cuts, doing it only because it was the best compromise. When he simply repeats that he didn't vote for it, it just seems like he is trying completely distort reality.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:18 PM

40. So 1.2 trillion in "Government" spending

which should not include the DOD??? When did these two become seperate? Your not serious about a balanced budget if you do not include DOD cuts.

He voted for the act which was attached to the original bill.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 09:38 AM

43. kick

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 09:48 AM

44. NBC should have been prepared for his denial

by getting video of the vote. C-SPAN records all of that. It's pretty simple to get. And of his comments after the vote because he is a camera hog. He should have been repudiated by his own record and they let it slide.

NBC ain't shit.

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