Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:22 AM
toddwv (2,056 posts)
No jail time for Flagstaff cop in bar gropingLast edited Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:23 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Source: Arizona Daily Sun
After being convicted by a jury earlier this summer of sexual abuse for groping a woman in a bar, ex-DPS Officer Robb Gary Evans walked out of a Coconino County Superior Courtroom on Wednesday morning having been sentenced to two years of probation. ... Prosecutors contended that he drank eight beers and then drove himself to the Green Room, where he flashed his badge in an attempt to get into a concert for free. While inside, he walked up behind the victim, who was a friend of a friend, put his hand up her skirt and then ran his fingers across her genitals. ... Bad things can happen in bars, Hatch told the victim, adding that other people might be more intoxicated than she was. Read more: http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/no-jail-time-for-flagstaff-cop-in-bar-groping/article_0aa8be56-f7a3-11e1-b804-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=comments This should make everybodies' stomachs turn. Jan Brewer appointee up for election. She needs to hang her robe up for good.
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| toddwv | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| SoapBox | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| backscatter712 | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| Angry Dragon | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| Comrade Grumpy | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| Downwinder | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| Downwinder | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| Whovian | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| Ash_F | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| seabeyond | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| Ash_F | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| CanonRay | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| kas125 | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| PavePusher | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| yardwork | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| Downwinder | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| yardwork | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| lunatica | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| yardwork | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| lunatica | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| yardwork | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| lunatica | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| lonestarnot | Sep 2012 | #20 |
Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:33 AM
SoapBox (5,909 posts)
1. They serve to protect...
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their own kind.
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Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:51 AM
backscatter712 (20,389 posts)
2. Even more disgusting: the judge scolded the victim in this case.
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She apparently dressed too skimpily and encouraged it.
Somebody needs to give this judge a swift kick in the nuts! |
Response to backscatter712 (Reply #2)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:33 AM
Angry Dragon (24,073 posts)
6. The judge has no nuts ......... it is a woman
Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:55 AM
Comrade Grumpy (3,732 posts)
3. OMG!! "If you hadn't been there, none of this would have happened to you," judge tells victim.
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More from the article in the OP:
The judge sentencing Evans, Coconino County Superior Court Judge Jacqueline Hatch, said she hoped both the defendant and the victim would take lessons away from the case. Bad things can happen in bars, Hatch told the victim, adding that other people might be more intoxicated than she was. "If you wouldn't have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you," Hatch said. Hatch told the victim and the defendant that no one would be happy with the sentence she gave, but that finding an appropriate sentence was her duty. "I hope you look at what you've been through and try to take something positive out of it," Hatch said to the victim in court. "You learned a lesson about friendship and you learned a lesson about vulnerability." Hatch said that the victim was not to blame in the case, but that all women must be vigilant against becoming victims. "When you blame others, you give up your power to change," Hatch said that her mother used to say. _________ Wow. Blaming the victim even as she denies blaming the victim. |
Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:16 AM
Downwinder (7,315 posts)
4. Victim calls for judge to apologize
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http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/victim-calls-for-judge-to-apologize/article_f5ae588e-f85c-11e1-9652-0019bb2963f4.html
Reached today by phone, the victim said: “It felt like she was saying to me, ‘If you wouldn’t have been there that night, it wouldn’t have happened to you.’ Yeah, well, it probably would have happened to someone else.” She said Hatch should apologize for her comments. “I’m still kind of in shock that she said that to me,” the victim said later. “Coming from a woman, I would expect her to be a little bit more realistic about women being strong and independent and the fact that there’s nothing wrong with that.” |
Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:52 AM
Downwinder (7,315 posts)
5. Petition at change.org
Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:45 AM
Whovian (2,866 posts)
7. OMG.
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Unbelievable.
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Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:51 AM
Ash_F (1,867 posts)
8. At least he was fired.
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Last edited Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:54 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) But why was he not required to register as a sex offender? I thought this was a country of laws.
"he victim, a local Flagstaff professional, told the court that she had been harshly criticized by members of the community and even friends who accused her of ruining the defendant's life by pursuing prosecution. "I sincerely hope this trial will prevent other women from being victimized in the future," she said. "I am more exhausted than I have ever been. I stood up for what happened to me for reasons bigger than me."" What an amazingly brave and strong woman. Brava! |
Response to Ash_F (Reply #8)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 08:07 AM
seabeyond (85,893 posts)
10. hope this trial will prevent other women from being victimized
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i guess this goes along with a theme last handful of days, tips for women to avoid rape and assault.
shouldnt be there. well, there is the answer. no going out at night. get dark, lock self in house, and we will avoid rape and assault. good for this woman taking it forward regardless of the hard work and insult in it. |
Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 06:06 AM
Ash_F (1,867 posts)
9. Also, one less Republican voter
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Last edited Fri Sep 7, 2012, 06:07 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) "His defense attorney said he was also disturbed that he would no longer be able to vote."
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Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 09:01 AM
CanonRay (4,766 posts)
11. One can certainly tell which party she belongs to just based on the story
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and without knowing she was a Brewer appointee.
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Response to CanonRay (Reply #11)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 04:07 PM
kas125 (2,000 posts)
12. Evidently, she has a history of filing false reports and having the police do her bidding.
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Reading the comments on an article about this case, someone posted a link to a video of her threatening and totally traumatizing her seven year old grandson!!
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Response to kas125 (Reply #12)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:21 PM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
15. What's the context here?
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Is there a decent summary of this judge's behavior somewhere? Thanks.
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Response to toddwv (Original post)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 04:59 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
13. Did they gloss over the drunk-driving aspect?
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That's pretty concerning as well.
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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #13)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:56 PM
yardwork (37,173 posts)
17. Very good point. The whole incident shows Republicanism in action and it ain't good.
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Police officer drives under the influence of alcohol (8 beers) to a bar, walks up to a woman and sexually assaults her, and the judge blames the woman who was assaulted for "being in the bar." Perpetrator gets probation.
That's Republican family values for you. |
Response to toddwv (Original post)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 12:03 PM
Downwinder (7,315 posts)
14. Judge Hatch apologizes to victim
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http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/judge-hatch-apologizes-to-victim/article_7e48fb9a-f934-11e1-b15a-0019bb2963f4.html
Judge Jacqueline Hatch issued a statement apologizing for comments she made to a victim of sexual abuse before sentencing an officer who groped the victim at a Flagstaff bar. “As a Coconino County Superior Court judge, it is my responsibility to ensure that all victims and defendants are treated fairly and in a respectful manner in the courtroom,” Hatch wrote in the statement. “It’s a responsibility I take very seriously. I also believe victims should not be blamed for coming forward to report crimes.” Hatch was widely criticized for comments that many took as blaming the victim for being in the bar. The victim and others present in the courtroom Wednesday said the remarks were inappropriate and likely to discourage other victims from coming forward to report sexual crimes. |
Response to Downwinder (Reply #14)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:57 PM
yardwork (37,173 posts)
18. Apology not good enough. I hope that the judge is voted out of office.
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Also, small business owners (bar owners) should ask the judge why she is discouraging women from going to bars. Wouldn't that put the bar owners out of business? Attack on small business owners, looks like to me.
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Response to toddwv (Original post)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:32 PM
lunatica (28,946 posts)
16. Excuse me but that judge is a cunt
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Last edited Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:34 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) and a fucking bitch. Some women deserve being called such names. Judge Hatch is a disgrace to women. I doubt she's ever known how disgusting it is to have a strange man grab your privates. If she did she wouldn't have said what she did.
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Response to lunatica (Reply #16)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:59 PM
yardwork (37,173 posts)
19. All you're doing is blaming all women for the behavior of the judge.
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I have a cunt. When you call a bad person a "cunt" then all you're doing is saying that having a cunt is synonymous with being a bad person. You just insulted me and half the population. Please edit your post.
Call the judge an insult that doesn't insult all women. |
Response to yardwork (Reply #19)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 02:04 PM
lunatica (28,946 posts)
21. No I am fucking not blaming all women
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Last edited Sat Sep 8, 2012, 02:05 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Have you had your genitals grabbed from behind by a fucking asshole man? I was fucking molested when I was six years old by an old man and any woman who ever dares to say it's my fault is a fucking cunt!
I stand by my words. I don't consider what I have to be a cunt. I consider what I have to be a vagina and a vulva. |
Response to lunatica (Reply #21)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 05:06 PM
yardwork (37,173 posts)
22. I'm sorry that happened to you. I think that you may have misunderstood my post.
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All I'm asking is that you not use the words "cunt" or "bitch" to describe bad people. The implication is that all women are bad.
Please use insults that are non-gender specific. You can call the judge a hateful monster from hell. Just don't describe her in terms that are specific to women. That's all I'm saying. |
Response to yardwork (Reply #22)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 05:30 PM
lunatica (28,946 posts)
23. And I'm saying that I use those words with deliberation
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and I won't take them back. You are the one who misunderstands words. the word cunt is not the same as the word vagina or woman. It is an insult and as such I mean it. Just like the word dick isn't a substitute for the word penis. Yet some people are called dicks. It infers that the person is an asshole, not some all man stereotype or all-man.
I'm certainly not calling her a vagina am I? And when I call a man a dick I'm certainly not calling them a penis. So I suggest that if you don't want to use those words then don't. But spare me the lectures on language. |
Response to toddwv (Original post)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 02:01 PM
lonestarnot (71,153 posts)
20. Courts are full of these types who remain silent.
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Last edited Sat Sep 8, 2012, 02:02 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) And we all know what silence does.
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