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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:45 PM

Make Assange leave embassy, court tells his bail backers

Source: London Evening Standard

Paul Cheston
04 September 2012

Supporters of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange who put up £140,000 bail for him should persuade him to give himself up to face extradition, the Chief Magistrate said today.

Nine backers who promised sureties when Assange was granted bail are fighting to save their money.

Celebrities such as Jemima Khan and Ken Loach, who paid into court more than £200,000 in bail securities after Assange’s arrest in 2010, have already lost their money ...

The hearing was adjourned until October 3.


Read more: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/make-assange-leave-embassy-court-tells-his-bail-backers-8104324.html

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Reply Make Assange leave embassy, court tells his bail backers (Original post)
struggle4progress Sep 2012 OP
sharp_stick Sep 2012 #1
bahrbearian Sep 2012 #2
sharp_stick Sep 2012 #3
bahrbearian Sep 2012 #4
pnwmom Sep 2012 #19
defacto7 Sep 2012 #8
hack89 Sep 2012 #10
Generic Other Sep 2012 #12
Lenomsky Sep 2012 #5
Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #6
harun Sep 2012 #15
Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #20
navarth Sep 2012 #21
backscatter712 Sep 2012 #23
Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #28
defacto7 Sep 2012 #27
Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #29
defacto7 Sep 2012 #31
bemildred Sep 2012 #7
struggle4progress Sep 2012 #9
freshwest Sep 2012 #16
struggle4progress Sep 2012 #17
freshwest Sep 2012 #18
Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #11
hack89 Sep 2012 #14
randome Sep 2012 #22
struggle4progress Sep 2012 #13
1monster Sep 2012 #24
struggle4progress Sep 2012 #25
tammywammy Sep 2012 #26
struggle4progress Sep 2012 #30

Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:51 PM

1. That money is as good as gone

if you're going to front a bunch of cash for someones bail and that someone bolts the money is gone.

Maybe these idiots will remember that next time.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:53 PM

2. Maybe they don't care about the money.

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:56 PM

3. If that was the case

they probably wouldn't be going to court to try to get it returned to them.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:58 PM

4. Why not give it a try, what do you have to lose?

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:22 PM

19. Attorneys fees and court costs. n/t

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:16 PM

8. Right.

It's great publicity. It just makes GB look more like thugs.

Sure they loose the money, but the judge just placed himself into the hands of public opinion.

It was a plan, no doubt, and it probably worked. They got their moneys worth.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:26 PM

10. Is there any sign of overwhelming public support for Assange in Britain? nt

Last edited Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:36 PM

12. Jemima Khan is Princess Di's cousin

She is a descendant and heir to the Marquess of Londonderry's fortune. I don't think she's hurting for cash.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:58 PM

5. Not like many of them are

short of cash! Doesn't make it right though!

The more uproar this creates the better and I mean the Assange plight not lost securities.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:59 PM

6. They bet their money on Assange's word...

And his word proved to be worthless.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:09 PM

15. Survival is a basic human right is it not? If U.S. gets a hold of him he is dead.

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Response to harun (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:49 PM

20. That is a conspiracy theory. The fact is that Assange is a lying sack of ..

whose word is worthless. That he would allow people who believed in him to lose the cash they defended him with shows just how low a person he is.

If he had one iota of self respect he would cease peddling conspiracy theories and face up to the charges.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:40 PM

21. Oh yeah

If Julian had an iota of self-respect he'd allow himself to be blackbagged and enjoy the cell next to Bradley Manning. Listen to 'agnostic sherbet', Julian!

Trollery at it's lowest.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:54 PM

23. When you run out of arguments, throw out the "conspiracy" canard.

And I'd suppose you're also loudly demanding that the members of Pussy Riot that fled from Russia face up to their charges. Why, of course they'd get a fair trial and not get railroaded into prison!

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 01:01 AM

28. When you have no argument you throw out a unsupported statement.

(1) Pussy Riot is not evading criminal arrest by Swedish police for a sex crime, they are wanted for a political prosecution in Russia.
(2) Assange has not been accused of a political crime in Russia, the U.S., or anywhere else, he is being accused of a sex crime in Sweden.

So there is no relationship between the two cases.

(3) I oppose his extradition to the U.S., but since the U.S. has never sought to extradite him, something they could have done while he was going through the court system in England if there were charges, which there are not, the whole notion that he is going to be extradited is a conspiracy theory, and one that Assange is pushes for his own benefit.

That is the difference.

He is just another libertarian who thinks he is above the law and will manipulate people who think he is some kind of saint.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:35 PM

27. You actually think

the people who put up that money didn't know he planned to flee? One of the biggest donors put him up in his house which was on record with the courts as his place of residence while on bail. Assange could not leave that residence except for weekly court appearances. He wasn't living there alone.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 01:03 AM

29. If they knew he would flee, why are they trying to get their money back from the courts?

Your theory doesn't hold water.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #29)

Thu Sep 6, 2012, 03:34 AM

31. publicity! It's the only real currency in their situation.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:03 PM

7. It will get interesting if any of the backers go along with this. nt

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:17 PM

9. ... The nine backers who were today fighting to save their money are

retired Professor Tricia David, Nobel prize-winning biologist Sir John Sulston, who helped unravel the human genome, former Sunday Times journalist Philip Knightley, Lady Caroline Evans, wife of former Labour minister Lord Evans, his personal friend Sarah Saunders, a catering manager, Frontline Club founder Captain Vaughan Smith, who provided his Norfolk country mansion as a bail address. They all offered £20,000 sureties.

Marchioness Tracy Worcester, 53, the model and actress turned environmental campaigner, offered £10,000 while his Wikileaks assistants Joseph Farrell and Sarah Harrison, both stumped up £5,000 in return for his freedom ...

At the beginning of the hearing, Judge Riddle said it found it 'absolutely striking' that none of the nine had attended court in person ...


Julian Assange's celebrity backers set to lose $540,000 bail money as he remains holed up in Ecuador Embassy
By Emily Allen
PUBLISHED: 07:12 EST, 4 September 2012 | UPDATED: 09:05 EST, 4 September 2012
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198072/Julian-Assanges-high-profile-backers-set-lose-340-000-bail-money-remains-holed-Ecuador-Embassy.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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Response to freshwest (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:21 PM

17. Joseph P Farrell isn't the Wikileaks assistant

Here's Wikileaks' Joseph Farrell, right front center in glasses and coat

h

Here's Joseph P Farrell of Giza Death Star

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:31 PM

18. Aw, shoot! More fun that way. I'll delete. Glad to see there's so much money lying around.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:33 PM

11. The only thing that will persuade Assange to fight the false charges in Sweden...

 

Is the US to explicitly state they will not pursue charges against him.

Our government is responsible for all of this.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:05 PM

14. Obama should do so AFTER the election. nt

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:48 PM

22. Yeah because fighting false charges is too hard, otherwise!

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:04 PM

13. ... At Tuesday's proceedings, a court clerk told reporters that a £200,000 security pot

given to the court before Assange was bailed – and believed to have been paid into by high-profile backers, including Jemima Khan, film directors Ken Loach and Michael Moore, and millionaire publisher Felix Dennis – had been forfeited at an earlier hearing in July ...

Adjourning the hearing until 3 October, Riddle said those guaranteeing bail had a month to persuade Assange to surrender to police if they wanted their money back ...

Julian Assange backers could lose £340,000 in bail money
WikiLeaks founder's supporters have already forfeited £200,000 and risk £140,000 more if Assange refuses to surrender to police

Shiv Malik and agencies
Tuesday 4 September 2012 13.24 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/04/julian-assange-backers-lose-bail?newsfeed=true

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:23 PM

24. I am confused. When bail is set, the amout dosen't change without a court order, does it?

And even if the bail is changed, the people who put up the original bail cannot be forced to pay more than they willingly put up, can they?

If so, how? And if so, what's to stop the justice systems from taking advantage of such a policy?

And how much was the freaking bail, anyway? One post above refers to 540,000 pounds which is something like $1,250,000. That ridiculous.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:37 PM

25. I think the bail release required both cash deposits and sureties, though the amounts

have not always been reported consistently

The total seems to be something in the range of 250000 pounds, and recent stories suggest the deposits have been forfeited already

So the current court activity seems to be the beginning of the process for collecting the sureties

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Response to 1monster (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:46 PM

26. It was a combination of cash plus sureties

Mr Justice Ouseley ordered Mr Assange be released on payment of £240,000 in cash and sureties and on condition he resides at an address in East Anglia.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12005930

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Response to 1monster (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 03:03 AM

30. Some reports seem to be confusing dollars with pounds:

Julian Assange backers could lose £340,000 in bail money
... Assange's backers could lose £340,000 ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/04/julian-assange-backers-lose-bail?newsfeed=true

Supporters of WikiLeaks' Assange lose $320K in bail money
... Total, the backers stand to lose $539,444 ...
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/05/13668940-supporters-of-wikileaks-assange-lose-320k-in-bail-money?lite

I'd guessing the $539K figure comes from converting £320K to $, then treating the result as £ and converting it to $ again

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