Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:45 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
Make Assange leave embassy, court tells his bail backers
Source: London Evening Standard
Paul Cheston 04 September 2012 Supporters of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange who put up £140,000 bail for him should persuade him to give himself up to face extradition, the Chief Magistrate said today. Nine backers who promised sureties when Assange was granted bail are fighting to save their money. Celebrities such as Jemima Khan and Ken Loach, who paid into court more than £200,000 in bail securities after Assange’s arrest in 2010, have already lost their money ... The hearing was adjourned until October 3. Read more: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/make-assange-leave-embassy-court-tells-his-bail-backers-8104324.html
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31 replies, 3533 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| struggle4progress | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| sharp_stick | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| bahrbearian | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| sharp_stick | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| bahrbearian | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| pnwmom | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| defacto7 | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| hack89 | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| Generic Other | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| Lenomsky | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| Agnosticsherbet | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| harun | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| Agnosticsherbet | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| navarth | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| backscatter712 | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| Agnosticsherbet | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| defacto7 | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| Agnosticsherbet | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| defacto7 | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| bemildred | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| struggle4progress | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| freshwest | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| struggle4progress | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| freshwest | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| Comrade_McKenzie | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| hack89 | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| randome | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| struggle4progress | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| 1monster | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| struggle4progress | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| tammywammy | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| struggle4progress | Sep 2012 | #30 |
Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:51 PM
sharp_stick (9,165 posts)
1. That money is as good as gone
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if you're going to front a bunch of cash for someones bail and that someone bolts the money is gone.
Maybe these idiots will remember that next time. |
Response to sharp_stick (Reply #1)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:53 PM
bahrbearian (11,110 posts)
2. Maybe they don't care about the money.
Response to bahrbearian (Reply #2)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:56 PM
sharp_stick (9,165 posts)
3. If that was the case
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they probably wouldn't be going to court to try to get it returned to them.
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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #3)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:58 PM
bahrbearian (11,110 posts)
4. Why not give it a try, what do you have to lose?
Response to bahrbearian (Reply #4)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:22 PM
pnwmom (43,171 posts)
19. Attorneys fees and court costs. n/t
Response to bahrbearian (Reply #2)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:16 PM
defacto7 (3,326 posts)
8. Right.
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It's great publicity. It just makes GB look more like thugs.
Sure they loose the money, but the judge just placed himself into the hands of public opinion. It was a plan, no doubt, and it probably worked. They got their moneys worth. |
Response to defacto7 (Reply #8)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:26 PM
hack89 (21,287 posts)
10. Is there any sign of overwhelming public support for Assange in Britain? nt
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Last edited Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:04 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) |
Response to sharp_stick (Reply #1)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:36 PM
Generic Other (20,306 posts)
12. Jemima Khan is Princess Di's cousin
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She is a descendant and heir to the Marquess of Londonderry's fortune. I don't think she's hurting for cash.
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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:58 PM
Lenomsky (86 posts)
5. Not like many of them are
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short of cash! Doesn't make it right though!
The more uproar this creates the better and I mean the Assange plight not lost securities. |
Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:59 PM
Agnosticsherbet (1,224 posts)
6. They bet their money on Assange's word...
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And his word proved to be worthless.
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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #6)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:09 PM
harun (9,743 posts)
15. Survival is a basic human right is it not? If U.S. gets a hold of him he is dead.
Response to harun (Reply #15)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:49 PM
Agnosticsherbet (1,224 posts)
20. That is a conspiracy theory. The fact is that Assange is a lying sack of ..
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whose word is worthless. That he would allow people who believed in him to lose the cash they defended him with shows just how low a person he is.
If he had one iota of self respect he would cease peddling conspiracy theories and face up to the charges. |
Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #20)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:40 PM
navarth (3,252 posts)
21. Oh yeah
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If Julian had an iota of self-respect he'd allow himself to be blackbagged and enjoy the cell next to Bradley Manning. Listen to 'agnostic sherbet', Julian!
Trollery at it's lowest. |
Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #20)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:54 PM
backscatter712 (19,838 posts)
23. When you run out of arguments, throw out the "conspiracy" canard.
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And I'd suppose you're also loudly demanding that the members of Pussy Riot that fled from Russia face up to their charges. Why, of course they'd get a fair trial and not get railroaded into prison!
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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #23)
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 01:01 AM
Agnosticsherbet (1,224 posts)
28. When you have no argument you throw out a unsupported statement.
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Last edited Wed Sep 5, 2012, 01:05 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) (1) Pussy Riot is not evading criminal arrest by Swedish police for a sex crime, they are wanted for a political prosecution in Russia.
(2) Assange has not been accused of a political crime in Russia, the U.S., or anywhere else, he is being accused of a sex crime in Sweden. So there is no relationship between the two cases. (3) I oppose his extradition to the U.S., but since the U.S. has never sought to extradite him, something they could have done while he was going through the court system in England if there were charges, which there are not, the whole notion that he is going to be extradited is a conspiracy theory, and one that Assange is pushes for his own benefit. That is the difference. He is just another libertarian who thinks he is above the law and will manipulate people who think he is some kind of saint. |
Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #20)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:35 PM
defacto7 (3,326 posts)
27. You actually think
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the people who put up that money didn't know he planned to flee? One of the biggest donors put him up in his house which was on record with the courts as his place of residence while on bail. Assange could not leave that residence except for weekly court appearances. He wasn't living there alone.
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Response to defacto7 (Reply #27)
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 01:03 AM
Agnosticsherbet (1,224 posts)
29. If they knew he would flee, why are they trying to get their money back from the courts?
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Your theory doesn't hold water.
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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #29)
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 03:34 AM
defacto7 (3,326 posts)
31. publicity! It's the only real currency in their situation.
Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:03 PM
bemildred (67,509 posts)
7. It will get interesting if any of the backers go along with this. nt
Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:17 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
9. ... The nine backers who were today fighting to save their money are
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retired Professor Tricia David, Nobel prize-winning biologist Sir John Sulston, who helped unravel the human genome, former Sunday Times journalist Philip Knightley, Lady Caroline Evans, wife of former Labour minister Lord Evans, his personal friend Sarah Saunders, a catering manager, Frontline Club founder Captain Vaughan Smith, who provided his Norfolk country mansion as a bail address. They all offered £20,000 sureties.
Marchioness Tracy Worcester, 53, the model and actress turned environmental campaigner, offered £10,000 while his Wikileaks assistants Joseph Farrell and Sarah Harrison, both stumped up £5,000 in return for his freedom ... At the beginning of the hearing, Judge Riddle said it found it 'absolutely striking' that none of the nine had attended court in person ... Julian Assange's celebrity backers set to lose $540,000 bail money as he remains holed up in Ecuador Embassy By Emily Allen PUBLISHED: 07:12 EST, 4 September 2012 | UPDATED: 09:05 EST, 4 September 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198072/Julian-Assanges-high-profile-backers-set-lose-340-000-bail-money-remains-holed-Ecuador-Embassy.html?ito=feeds-newsxml |
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)
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Response to freshwest (Reply #16)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:21 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
17. Joseph P Farrell isn't the Wikileaks assistant
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Here's Wikileaks' Joseph Farrell, right front center in glasses and coat
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Here's Joseph P Farrell of Giza Death Star ![]() |
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #17)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:31 PM
freshwest (31,522 posts)
18. Aw, shoot! More fun that way. I'll delete. Glad to see there's so much money lying around.
Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:33 PM
Comrade_McKenzie (2,526 posts)
11. The only thing that will persuade Assange to fight the false charges in Sweden...
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Is the US to explicitly state they will not pursue charges against him.
Our government is responsible for all of this. |
Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #11)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:05 PM
hack89 (21,287 posts)
14. Obama should do so AFTER the election. nt
Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #11)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:48 PM
randome (12,740 posts)
22. Yeah because fighting false charges is too hard, otherwise!
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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:04 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
13. ... At Tuesday's proceedings, a court clerk told reporters that a £200,000 security pot
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given to the court before Assange was bailed – and believed to have been paid into by high-profile backers, including Jemima Khan, film directors Ken Loach and Michael Moore, and millionaire publisher Felix Dennis – had been forfeited at an earlier hearing in July ...
Adjourning the hearing until 3 October, Riddle said those guaranteeing bail had a month to persuade Assange to surrender to police if they wanted their money back ... Julian Assange backers could lose £340,000 in bail money WikiLeaks founder's supporters have already forfeited £200,000 and risk £140,000 more if Assange refuses to surrender to police Shiv Malik and agencies Tuesday 4 September 2012 13.24 EDT http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/04/julian-assange-backers-lose-bail?newsfeed=true |
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #13)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:23 PM
1monster (8,738 posts)
24. I am confused. When bail is set, the amout dosen't change without a court order, does it?
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And even if the bail is changed, the people who put up the original bail cannot be forced to pay more than they willingly put up, can they?
If so, how? And if so, what's to stop the justice systems from taking advantage of such a policy? And how much was the freaking bail, anyway? One post above refers to 540,000 pounds which is something like $1,250,000. That ridiculous. |
Response to 1monster (Reply #24)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:37 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
25. I think the bail release required both cash deposits and sureties, though the amounts
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have not always been reported consistently
The total seems to be something in the range of 250000 pounds, and recent stories suggest the deposits have been forfeited already So the current court activity seems to be the beginning of the process for collecting the sureties |
Response to 1monster (Reply #24)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:46 PM
tammywammy (18,443 posts)
26. It was a combination of cash plus sureties
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Mr Justice Ouseley ordered Mr Assange be released on payment of £240,000 in cash and sureties and on condition he resides at an address in East Anglia.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12005930 |
Response to 1monster (Reply #24)
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 03:03 AM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
30. Some reports seem to be confusing dollars with pounds:
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Julian Assange backers could lose £340,000 in bail money
... Assange's backers could lose £340,000 ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/04/julian-assange-backers-lose-bail?newsfeed=true Supporters of WikiLeaks' Assange lose $320K in bail money ... Total, the backers stand to lose $539,444 ... http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/05/13668940-supporters-of-wikileaks-assange-lose-320k-in-bail-money?lite I'd guessing the $539K figure comes from converting £320K to $, then treating the result as £ and converting it to $ again |


