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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:27 AM

'Jesus is a monkey' daubed on Jerusalem monastery wall

Source: NBC News


A Trappist monk stands between graffiti reading in Hebrew, "Jesus is a monkey" (L) and "mutual guarantee, Ramat Migron and Maoz Ester" (West Bank settlements) (R), which was sprayed on the wall of the Latrun Monastery between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv on Tuesday after unknown people set the monastery's door ablaze.






By NBC News' Alastair Jamieson and wire reports

Hebrew graffiti, including the phrase "Jesus is a monkey," was daubed on the walls of a monastery near Jerusalem early Tuesday in what police suspect was a so-called 'Price Tag' attack by right-wing, pro-settler extremists, according to reports.

Vandals torched the wooden door of the Latrun Monastery and spray-painted the graffiti on the holy site's stone walls, Israeli police said.

"Police have opened a special investigation into the incident," Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said.

Israeli security officials had expressed concern about possible acts of retribution by a suspected settler vigilante campaign known as 'Price Tag' for Sunday's court-ordered eviction of 50 families from Migron, a settler site near the West Bank city of Ramallah. Police believe the incident was part of the campaign, the Times of Israel and the Jerusalem Post reported.


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Reply 'Jesus is a monkey' daubed on Jerusalem monastery wall (Original post)
trailmonkee Sep 2012 OP
valerief Sep 2012 #1
Berlum Sep 2012 #4
Ian David Sep 2012 #10
Odin2005 Sep 2012 #30
valerief Sep 2012 #34
leftynyc Sep 2012 #36
cpwm17 Sep 2012 #41
leftynyc Sep 2012 #47
cpwm17 Sep 2012 #49
sakabatou Sep 2012 #42
harun Sep 2012 #52
Odin2005 Sep 2012 #53
sakabatou Sep 2012 #55
Posteritatis Sep 2012 #35
valerief Sep 2012 #43
cpwm17 Sep 2012 #44
valerief Sep 2012 #45
Posteritatis Sep 2012 #48
valerief Sep 2012 #54
no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #2
meti57b Sep 2012 #15
Kurovski Sep 2012 #18
snooper2 Sep 2012 #31
no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #46
dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #3
bemildred Sep 2012 #5
AtheistCrusader Sep 2012 #21
bemildred Sep 2012 #27
Iggo Sep 2012 #6
Frank Cannon Sep 2012 #7
AtheistCrusader Sep 2012 #22
JDPriestly Sep 2012 #8
Ian David Sep 2012 #9
Ian David Sep 2012 #11
Kingofalldems Sep 2012 #16
Kurovski Sep 2012 #20
Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #25
harmonicon Sep 2012 #32
WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #12
alfredo Sep 2012 #13
dmallind Sep 2012 #14
Kurovski Sep 2012 #19
Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #23
Tom Ripley Sep 2012 #17
Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #24
harmonicon Sep 2012 #33
yurbud Sep 2012 #26
cabot Sep 2012 #28
Odin2005 Sep 2012 #29
ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #37
cabot Sep 2012 #38
Yavin4 Sep 2012 #39
4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #40
mikeytherat Sep 2012 #50
Kurovski Sep 2012 #51
6000eliot Sep 2012 #56
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:34 AM

1. Doesn't bother me. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:35 AM

4. Wasn't aimed at you

Rest assured it will piss off the people it was intended to piss off.

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Response to Berlum (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:18 AM

10. Probably. We just don't "get it." n/t

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:52 PM

30. I'm an Atheist and I'm damn offended by it.

It's an act of terrorism against Palestinian Christians by Israelis.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:19 PM

34. I thought it was just vandalism. nt

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:26 PM

36. Oh, brother

terrorism? You seriously want to degrade the word to the extent you want to use it for vandalism? And where is the proof it came from Israeli's - Jewish or otherwise?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:11 PM

41. It's part of a many decades long campaign of intimidation and brutality against the Palestinians

Many acts far worse than this go on all of the time, committed by or with the tacit approval of the Israeli Government.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:48 PM

47. That's a lot of hyperbole

Any proof this was done at the behest of or with the approval of the Israeli government? And really, vandalism as terrorism is a fucking joke.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:21 PM

49. I didn't say this particular incident was appoved by the Israeli Government directly

It is the Israeli Government that allows these hyper-racist "settlers" to move into Palestinian territory. It is the Israeli Government that hands out very light or no punishment at all for the "settlers" brutality against the Palestinians. It is the Israeli Government that has been ethnically cleansing the Palestinians for many decades and has set up an Apartheid Government.

The only reparations the Palestinians have received for this many decades of maltreatment are more bulldozers, bombs, bullets and blame.

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:02 PM

52. In many ways it is the worst kind

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:15 PM

53. Hate crime = terrorism.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #53)

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 03:51 AM

55. It can be

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:22 PM

35. That's telling. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:55 PM

43. Vandalism is everywhere. Religions hate other religions.

It's freeing being an atheist.

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Response to valerief (Reply #43)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:04 PM

44. Atheism doesn't free you from caring about people different from yourself

- including non-atheists. The rest of us can judge you accordingly.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #44)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:13 PM

45. I don't care about vandalism. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #45)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:19 PM

48. Translation: "This wasn't done to me, so it doesn't matter." (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:33 PM

54. Spin it however you like. I don't care. nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:34 AM

2. Memo to radical settlers:

Jesus was a Jew who died a Jew and was a rabbi.

Chill

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:33 AM

15. Also ...... he was an insurrectionist against Rome.

Insurrection was the big thing that really pissed off the Romans to the extent that they would torture you to death for it by crucifixion.

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Response to meti57b (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:51 AM

18. So then, "a cheeky little monkey" is more to the point.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:53 PM

31. I thought jesus was a carpenter

who told good stories?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:17 PM

46. Rabbi means teacher, not religious leader.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:35 AM

3. Not a very nice thing to do.

Some people should really get a life.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:54 AM

5. We're all monkeys, dumb ass.

Very tacky thing to do.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:08 PM

21. Great apes.

Though we do share a common ancestor.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:36 PM

27. If I can think of people as apes, I can think of apes as monkeys.

(Primates, really, some common monkey-ape-human ancestor is back there somewhere, but we are being sloppy anyway. We all come from the same biological source, a long, long time ago, and primates are our close cousins in the same way that dogs are cousins to jackals, foxes, and wolves, that's the point.)

To be clear, you are correct.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:55 AM

6. I can't stop the religious gang wars.

I can only hope they don't take me down with them.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:03 AM

7. And people say he monkeys around.

But he was too busy healin' the sick to put anybody down.

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Response to Frank Cannon (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:08 PM

22. Thanks.

That song will now be stuck in my head all day.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:04 AM

8. Sounds like something the teenagers in my neighborhood would do.

You just paint over it and hope they will grow up. It is a juvenile's idea of how to incite violence. That's why people need to be grown-up about it, paint over it and hold dialogue with all potentially concerned.

Also, provide police surveillance at the monastery door if wished by the monastery.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:17 AM

9. Is THAT how you conjugate the verb? No, now do it correctly, 500 times. n/t

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:19 AM

11. They should just declare it a "miracle" and make people pay to be healed by it.

That's what they do with everything else.

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Response to Ian David (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:52 AM

16. What a stupid bigoted post

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:01 PM

20. As a Christian, it immediatly made me think of the Lourdes industry.

really, it was not stupid. and not particularly bigoted. But then we all have our personal ideas on the sacred and profane.

Gods bless america.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:22 PM

25. Bigoted to point out all the charlatans involved in Big Religion?

Wow, you are truly easily offended.

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Response to Ian David (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:12 PM

32. Who is "they"? The monks of the Latrun Monastery?

You can relate instances where they have declared things miracles and made people pay to be healed by them? Fascinating. I'd love to know more, especially as they do it with "everything else." Dropped your toast on the floor? MIRACLE!!! Took a crap? MIRACLE!!

Hmm.... or maybe you're just a bigot. I eagerly await the results of this study!!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:23 AM

12. Evolutionists with spray paint

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:32 AM

13. +1

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:17 AM

14. That's just wrong.

Monkeys have different skeletal structures, especially in the shoulders, and almost always have tails.

Jesus, if he existed at all, was a primate obviously. If you accept the rather banal and rationalized distinction between apes and hominids as that of mostly bipedal locomotion, then he wasn't even an ape, just an anthropoid.

Apes and monkeys though should never be conflated.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:56 AM

19. Comedy killer!

You are are of course correct. It will still most likely be forever remembered as the "Scopes Monkey Trial".

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Response to dmallind (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:18 PM

23. I hate the way people mix up monkeys and apes!

Just a pet peeve of mine.

That being said, everyone knows Mohammed was a lemur and Buddha was a bonobo.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:04 AM

17. I thought he was a sorcerer?

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:18 PM

24. And a zombie who shall come back to life aaaaaany day now.

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:13 PM

33. The term they like is Warlock. (nt)

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:31 PM

26. Jewish settlers slur Christians...how much play will this get in the right wing press?

the crickets are already warming up.

If it doesn't fit the script, it does not exist.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:36 PM

28. This is just as wrong as a mosque or synagogue being desecrated.

If someone spray-painted "Mohammed is a monkey" most of you would be condemning it - and rightfully so. This is just as wrong.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:50 PM

29. These fucking settler terrorists are why there will never be peace there.

The Israeli government cannot stop them without causing a civil war. The nuts have had their own government by the balls since the assassination of Rabin.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:29 PM

37. It is not even scientifically accurate.

People are apes, not monkeys.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:41 PM

38. Stupid taggers!

Not knowing the difference between apes and monkeys! Honestly, I'm glad you pointed that out - it annoyed me too.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:47 PM

39. Man, That Bill Nye

First it was his YouTube vid, and now this.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:00 PM

40. So? Jeremiah was a bullfrog

 

and he was a good friend of mine.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:23 PM

50. I never understood a single word he said, but I helped him drink his wine.

And he always had some mighty fine wine.

mikey_the_rat

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Response to mikeytherat (Reply #50)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:57 PM

51. If only we had some joy for the world

and all its boys and girls.

God damn it all to hell...

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 04:06 AM

56. Daubed? Who says "daubed?"

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Response to 6000eliot (Reply #56)

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 07:02 AM

58. You have a good question.

Reuters uses 'daubed'.

NBC (OP) refers to 'wire reports' and they credit Reuters at the bottom.

Chicago Tribune, Huffington Post, and National Post (Canada), using Reuters, use 'daubed'.

CNN uses the verb 'daub' -- Vandals daub anti-Christian graffiti on monastery in Israel

IBT Times UK uses 'daubed' and 'scrawled': 'Jesus is a Monkey' Scrawled by Pro-Settler Extremists on Christian Monastery near Jerusalem

Sky News UK uses 'spray painting'

YNET Isael uses 'spray painted'.

AFP in their own article uses 'scrawled' and 'sprayed'.

The Australian, The National (Aus) and Lebanon News (all using AFP) use 'scrawled'.

I conclude that since 'daub' is less serious than 'spray paint' or 'scrawled', Reuters used it to downplay the seriousness of the crime.

AFP reported it normally.

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