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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:02 PM

Star Member Judi Lynn (77,650 posts)

Mexico leader says US shares blame for drug violence

Source: ANP/Agence France-Presse

Mexico leader says US shares blame for drug violence
Published on 3 September 2012 - 5:16pm

Outgoing Mexican President Felipe Calderon blamed loose US gun laws and American addicts for fueling his country's drug violence as he defended his controversial anti-cartel offensive on Monday.

Presenting the final annual report of his presidency, Calderon insisted that his 2006 decision to deploy thousands of troops to round up drug traffickers was not to blame for the relentless crime wave plaguing the country.

The conservative leader, whose single six-year term ends December 1, said the wave of murders and kidnappings was linked to brutal turf wars being waged between Mexico's ultra-violent drug cartels.

But he also pointed his finger at the United States, saying criminals were able to arm themselves with powerful guns after Washington lawmakers refused to renew a law banning the sale of assault weapons such as AK-47 rifles in 2004.

Read more: http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/mexico-leader-says-us-shares-blame-drug-violence

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Reply Mexico leader says US shares blame for drug violence (Original post)
 Judi Lynn Sep 2012 OP
LineReply that's right felipe your inability to control your country is all america's fault
 leftyohiolib Sep 2012 #1
LineReply Who said - When your enemies are fighting don't step in unless it's to hand them a shovel...
 socialindependocrat Sep 2012 #2
LineReply This message was self-deleted by its author
 bupkus Sep 2012 #3
LineLineReply +1000
 a la izquierda Sep 2012 #10
LineLineReply Not to mention that we're the people using the drugs
 XemaSab Sep 2012 #11
LineLineReply Well, some of us get it.
 Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #14
LineLineNew Reply Bizarro world, indeed
 duhneece Sep 2012 #19
LineLineNew Reply Well said!!! n/t
 RKP5637 Sep 2012 #26
LineReply Why shouldn't they?
 oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #4
LineReply Drug cartels fed multi-billions dollars by American porn industry
 NewYorkers Sep 2012 #5
LineLineReply What you wrote makes me think you're on drugs.
 Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #6
LineLineLineReply Confirmed
 MagniPeter Sep 2012 #15
LineLineLineLineNew Reply My guess is that they
 bitchkitty Sep 2012 #20
LineLineReply Bye, troll...nt
 SidDithers Sep 2012 #7
LineLineReply Whether you enjoy porn or not,
 bitchkitty Sep 2012 #8
LineLineNew Reply That darned porn industry
 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #21
LineReply He's right that they share some of the blame,
 bitchkitty Sep 2012 #9
LineReply Drug War == Drug Violence. Duh? nt
 bemildred Sep 2012 #12
LineLineNew Reply Yup. The Drug War is insane and needs to be stopped. NOW nt
 riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #18
LineReply There would not be a massive drug war if
 rachel1 Sep 2012 #13
LineReply The militarization of Mexico's drug gangs can be traced directly to Calderon's policies
 slackmaster Sep 2012 #16
LineNew Reply This should be totally uncontroversial. It's obvious that prohibition creates the illegal market.
 limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #17
LineLineNew Reply We also share a large mostly open border with Canada
 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #22
LineLineLineNew Reply yeah there is alot more to it.
 limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #25
LineNew Reply Hey! The customer is always right!
 sofa king Sep 2012 #23
LineNew Reply The spectacular failure of America's "war on drugs"...
 Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #24

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:07 PM

leftyohiolib (3,130 posts)

1. that's right felipe your inability to control your country is all america's fault

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:16 PM

socialindependocrat (1,372 posts)

2. Who said - When your enemies are fighting don't step in unless it's to hand them a shovel...

He sent his troops in and this was not the problem?

Gee Doc., I went and knocked down this hornet's nest and
I got stung over and over! I just can't understand why?

If your army can't take out the drug lords what are you going to do if there is a real war?
Think of this as practice Felipe!

But they have AK-47s!
And you have what... pinata bats?

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 07:12 PM

Star Member a la izquierda (7,513 posts)

10. +1000

I can't even respond, lest I get banned.

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 07:28 PM

Star Member XemaSab (57,430 posts)

11. Not to mention that we're the people using the drugs

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:08 AM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,457 posts)

14. Well, some of us get it.

Nixon lives!

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:14 AM

Star Member duhneece (1,714 posts)

19. Bizarro world, indeed

When DU'ers don't recognize that the drug prohibition policies of the US and the demands of US citizens spur the violence in Mexico.

Drug abuse is bad, but the drug war is far, far worse.

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:13 PM

Star Member RKP5637 (25,623 posts)

26. Well said!!! n/t

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 05:20 PM

oldsarge54 (582 posts)

4. Why shouldn't they?

The United States is their primary market for drugs. A weird side effect is that Obama's efforts to close the border are working, thus narrowing down the routes across the border. This makes it a bit more competitive between the cartels. Given also the insane insistence of loose gun laws allowing "straw men" to buy guns in job lots makes the US the primary armory for the cartels. We should accept blame.

Solution: eliminate the possibility of "straw men", limit the number of weapons per sales, and legalize the primary drugs of choice. Besides, the preferred drugs of choice this generation seem to be made in the USA by pharmaceutical companies anyway.

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 05:28 PM

NewYorkers (13 posts)

5. Drug cartels fed multi-billions dollars by American porn industry

 

Mexico drug cartels are fed multi-billions dollars because of American porn industry which has spread worldwide.

Pornography and sex shows is promoting drugs use and steriods use worldwide and they are creating millions of sex psychopaths in world society. There is serious drugs problems in USA because of porn and sex industry.

If we cleaned it up, it would mean losing one of largest "Made in the USA" industries left. If there are a thousands of new porn sites a day. That creates "employment", at least part-time photo shoot work for millions of drugs adled porn "workers".

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 05:32 PM

Comrade Grumpy (3,409 posts)

6. What you wrote makes me think you're on drugs.

Porn makes people do drugs? What?

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:50 AM

MagniPeter (3 posts)

15. Confirmed

 

It has been confirmed that porn stars and people appearing in sex videos take drugs and steriods and they show brutal sex on porn websites and sex videos.

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:49 PM

bitchkitty (6,805 posts)

20. My guess is that they

started the drugs long before they took their first picture.

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 05:41 PM

Star Member SidDithers (27,133 posts)

7. Bye, troll...nt

Sid

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 05:43 PM

bitchkitty (6,805 posts)

8. Whether you enjoy porn or not,

it has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand. You are watching porn now, aren't you?

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:10 PM

4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)

21. That darned porn industry

 

is there anything they aren't to blame for?

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 05:46 PM

bitchkitty (6,805 posts)

9. He's right that they share some of the blame,

but it's not because of assault rifles or supply and demand. It's because drugs are illegal in the first place, and that there is no effort toward prevention or rehabilitation in our system today. My humble opinion, anyway.

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 08:02 PM

bemildred (67,517 posts)

12. Drug War == Drug Violence. Duh? nt

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:18 AM

riderinthestorm (13,178 posts)

18. Yup. The Drug War is insane and needs to be stopped. NOW nt

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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:05 PM

rachel1 (538 posts)

13. There would not be a massive drug war if

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there wasn't so much demand, right?

But of course with decriminalization there'd be little to no violence and no excuse to wage that stupid war on drugs but of course that's not an option!!!

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:50 AM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

16. The militarization of Mexico's drug gangs can be traced directly to Calderon's policies

 

Fuck that asshole.

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:58 AM

limpyhobbler (6,693 posts)

17. This should be totally uncontroversial. It's obvious that prohibition creates the illegal market.

I think maybe people are disputing it because of a knee jerk reaction to defend prohibition because a Democrat is currently President.

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:10 PM

4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)

22. We also share a large mostly open border with Canada

 

they haven't descended in to anarchy to supply us with illegal drugs.

Perhaps there's more to it than that.

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:09 PM

limpyhobbler (6,693 posts)

25. yeah there is alot more to it.

Some ideas...

Latin America is more susceptible to violent gang activity than the United States or Canada, for a whole host of deep historical reasons.

There are also pockets of the United States at various times that have essentially descended into drug war anarchy, for example some pockets of inner cities. There are deep historical reasons for poverty there that can explain why.

That is an interesting topic to study why certain places have weaker governments, or more corruption, or poverty, or different kinds of economies which make them more susceptible to something like that.

But I think that prohibition creates an illegal market is uncontroversial. Also that illegal markets attract criminal turf wars and gang violence seems pretty uncontroversial to me.

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:38 PM

sofa king (8,707 posts)

23. Hey! The customer is always right!

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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:51 PM

Star Member Spider Jerusalem (15,383 posts)

24. The spectacular failure of America's "war on drugs"...

is probably about 75% to blame for Mexican drug violence, honestly. Treating drug abuse and addiction as a criminal rather than a medical problem, and continuing to criminalise and impose harsh penalties, in essence does very little, when for the most part it's street-level dealers getting busted, and maybe poor black and Hispanic kids; middle-class white people rarely do time on drugs charges, and the major distribution networks remain largely untouched despite the massive incarceration rates and the increasing militarisation of American police forces. American drugs policy has failed and failed completely; Mexico has its own problems of endemic corruption and a relatively weak central government, but if the USA followed the Portuguese model of total decriminalisation of drugs a significant part of the Mexican drug violence problem would just evaporate in short order.

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