Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:46 PM
struggle4progress (71,494 posts)
Malvinas islands' Executive Council approves March 2013 referendum
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Source: Buenos Aires Herald
Saturday, September 1, 2012
The Malvinas Islands Executive council officially approved a referendum that will be held in March 2013 in which islanders will vote on their political status, as Argentina continues to claim sovereignty of the South Atlantic archipelago, 30 years after the war.
The islands’ Executive Council announced that the British Electoral Commission has agreed to assist with developing the form of the question and the wording and will provide guidance. “The vote was planned for March 2013 and the exact date will be decided by CEO Keith Padgett in consultation with the Legislative Assembly,” a press release stated.
The referendum was announced in June, and at the time, chairman of the Legislative Assembly Gavin Short said they hoped to send a firm message to President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner ...
Read more: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/110371/malvinas-islands-executive-council-approves-march-2013-referendum
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Malvinas islands' Executive Council approves March 2013 referendum (Original post)
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Response to bemildred (Reply #2)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 10:02 AM
Igel (17,561 posts)
3. Lots of ways of not having people die for this.
We could engage in non-violent forced relocation at gunpoint, to be sure. Set up a new HRWA for the Falklands refugees, give them and their descendants special refugee status until they return to their lands.
We could also stop the denial of self-determination pushed by, among others, the honorable gentleman from the Spanish Province of Caracas and the governor of Rio de la Plata. (Since we insist on using rather old words for places.)
Let's see--we can force people to relocate, and call that peaceful; or leave people alone, and call it crap.
If the UN takes it over, would the neo-imperialists get the oil and gas, or would the descendants of the Falklands refugees? If the neo-imperialists, would that be the Rio de la Plata or the UN?
Response to Codeine (Reply #5)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 12:03 PM
bemildred (67,518 posts)
6. I hear ya.
Nobody ever wants to compromise, it's my way or the highway. I don't see any good solution. I can see both sides of the argument, and also the argument that we ought to give it back to the penguins (they were there first) and make it a preserve.
But also, as you point out, why fuck with it? Is it worth it? Is whatever new situation you eventually bring about going to be worth the trouble in any pragmatic sense? I doubt it.
Response to bemildred (Reply #6)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 12:15 PM
EX500rider (299 posts)
8. "I can see both sides of the argument"
What is the Argentinian side?
That they had a failed settlement there from 1828 till 1833 (179 years ago) and has been under the British flag ever since?
And has all english speaking inhabitants of British descent who desire to be part of the UK?
Response to EX500rider (Reply #8)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 02:23 PM
AlphaCentauri (6,455 posts)
9. The 1823 Monroe Doctrine
The Monroe Doctrine is a policy of the United States introduced on December 2, 1823. It stated that further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression requiring U.S. intervention.
I guess the Argentinian settlement was cover by the Monroe Doctrine.
Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 12:11 PM
BritBob (4 posts)
7. The Falklands and Argentina
The 3,000 Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination under the UN charter.
Argentine politicians will use the 'Great Malvinas Lie' over the comming months as their economy takes a downturn and the Peso will probably be devalued. Much of Argentina's current economic problems are due to economic mismanagement. The country has more trade disputes running than any other country in the World and is the World's top protectionist country. Argentina is also regarded as a pariah state by international money lenders. All of this will take its toll on the Argentine economy.
The Argentine claims to the Falklands go back to 1833 after the Royal Navy removed a small Argentine garrison from the Falklands; Britain having already claimed the Falklands. In 1850 Argentina and Britain signed a treaty called the 'Convention of Settlement'. In the treaty both countries acknowledged that 'a state of perfect harmony had been restored.' and 'that neither country had any outstanding differences.' Later Argentine politicians acknowledged that this was the end to their claims to the Falklands and the Argentine governments in the 1870s and 1880s even produced maps that either omitted the Falklands from its territory or showed the Falklands in a different colour, like the '1882 Latzina Map' - successfully used by Chile in their 1970s Beagle Island Dispute with Argentina. The current claims to the Falklands made by Argentine politcians were started as late as the 1940s by the Peron government.
The Argentine claim to the Falklands is no stronger than Canada claiming Alaska because it's closer. Nevertheless, Argentine politicians will use the 'Great Malvinas Lie' to stir up nationalist feelings and to try and halt flagging ratings in the opinion polls.