Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:11 PM
Guy Whitey Corngood (14,847 posts)
Bain Capital Under Investigation For Tax Avoidance-Romney Denies Any BenefitLast edited Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:13 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Source: Forbes
New York Times is reporting that Bain Capital, the private equity firm founded by GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, is among a number of firms being investigated by New York Attorney General, Eric Schneiderman, for failing to pay taxes. The New York AG’s Taxpayer Protection Bureau has issued subpoenas to at least twelve financial firms, including Bain, looking into whether the companies converted management fees (taxed as ordinary income) paid by investors into fund investments which are taxed at a dramatically lower rate. The controversial tax avoidance scheme came to light last month when Bain Capital internal financial information was published online by Gawker.com , however the investigation had reportedly commenced prior to the publication and is not believed to be tied to the document dump. According to the Times The tax strategy — which is viewed as perfectly legal by some tax experts, aggressive by others and potentially illegal by some — came to light last month when hundreds of pages of Bain’s internal financial documents were made available online. The financial statements show that at least $1 billion in accumulated fees that otherwise would have been taxed as ordinary income for Bain executives had been converted into investments producing capital gains, which are subject to a federal tax of 15 percent, versus a top rate of 35 percent for ordinary income. That means the Bain partners saved more than $200 million in federal income taxes and more than $20 million in Medicare taxes. Read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/09/01/bain-capital-under-investigation-for-tax-avoidance-romney-denies-any-benefit/ Not this one:
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| Guy Whitey Corngood | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| goclark | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| Guy Whitey Corngood | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| goclark | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| wordpix | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| PatrynXX | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| rickprov | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| Guy Whitey Corngood | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| UnrepentantLiberal | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| rocktivity | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| dipsydoodle | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| wordpix | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| mojo2012 | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| JudyM | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| wordpix | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| Jeff In Milwaukee | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| wordpix | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| olddad56 | Sep 2012 | #17 |
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Original post)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:17 PM
goclark (30,404 posts)
1. K and R How sweet it would be to see Rmoney
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with bars infront of his face
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Response to goclark (Reply #1)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:22 PM
Guy Whitey Corngood (14,847 posts)
2. This is the best I can offer for now:
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"These bars are not the right height" |
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #2)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 05:40 AM
goclark (30,404 posts)
9. Love it!
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #2)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:43 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
16. "I can get a tax deduction for going to jail - I'll just convert my jail time into...
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Last edited Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:51 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) a cell management fee waiver, which is good for the taxpayer-investors who built this jail and invest in running it but the waiver is not good for me, the manager of my cell...no wait a minute, I'll convert my income from doing the jail laundry into a management fee waiver since I help the investor-inmates manage the laundry loads..."
Thanks for the pshop |
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Original post)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:23 PM
PatrynXX (2,559 posts)
3. not this one either
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https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Bane+death+gate+cycle&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest
if that search field works. otherwise type Bane and Death Gate Cycle I say that because my screen name is based on that series. you'd have to be a fan to know why. I could have been Haplo. And technically the Patryns were skewered by the other race but his boss is a badass anyway. and he was gonna hurt the dog. oh Haplo was not having any of that. |
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Original post)
rickprov This message was hidden by Jury decision.
Response to rickprov (Reply #4)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:53 PM
Guy Whitey Corngood (14,847 posts)
5. Trying too hard to deflect. As the investigation proceeds. We'll know more. That OK with you slappy?
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #5)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 01:00 AM
UnrepentantLiberal (11,700 posts)
6. About rickprov
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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Original post)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 01:20 AM
rocktivity (36,623 posts)
7. Well, IS it legal, or is it not?
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The tax strategy — which is viewed as perfectly legal by some tax experts, aggressive by others and potentially illegal by some — came to light last month when hundreds of pages of Bain’s internal financial documents were made available online.
But according to the financial "experts" at CNN/Fortune/Money, the Gawker documents prove nothing -- unless, of course, it's true that it's not really illegal. In which case this story could be a plant to generate sympathy and make it look like the liberals are all just picking on Mitt. rocktivity |
Response to rocktivity (Reply #7)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 04:56 AM
dipsydoodle (32,613 posts)
8. New York probes private equity tax strategy: source
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(Reuters) - At least a dozen U.S. private equity firms have been subpoenaed by the New York state attorney general as part of a probe into whether a widely used tax strategy that saved these firms hundreds of millions of dollars is proper, a source familiar with the situation said on Saturday.
Among the firms that were subpoenaed are Bain Capital LLC, KKR & Co LP, TPG Capital LP, Apollo Global Management LLC and Silver Lake Partners LP, the source said. Bain was once headed by Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate who hopes to unseat President Barack Obama in the November 6 election. The subpoenas, which were sent out in July, seek documents related to the conversion of fees these private equity firms charge for managing investors' assets into fund investments, the source said. This means the investigation predates the release last month of confidential Bain fund documents by Gawker that revealed such a practice. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/02/us-privateequity-probe-idUSBRE8800B620120902 I can only really relate to the UK where the issues would be an investigation into whether the scheme was tax avoidance or tax evasion. Same in the the US ? Given this goes back to July its unlikely it could be made to look like what you referred to as "Liberal nit picking" |
Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #8)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:39 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
14. "conversion of fees...private equity firms charge for managing investors' assets" = money laundering
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This "management fee waiver" sounds like sleazy business. Yeah, right, it's "all for the investor," and not to evade taxes, sure. I don't believe it.
Show us the tax returns, Rmoney! |
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Original post)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 06:27 PM
mojo2012 (290 posts)
10. Of Course Romney denies any benefit
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Like when he left Bain in 1999 to run the Olympics and not responsible anything Bain did thereafter...blah, blah, blah
OR He'll submit amended tax returns (oops, my accountant must have made an error) just like he did (after the fact it was discovered) when he lied he was a resident in Massachusetts for 7 years so he could run for governor. |
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Original post)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 06:50 PM
JudyM (2,303 posts)
11. How could it be legal to not claim these fees as ordinary income?
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The fact that they're converting it doesn't seem like it should matter -- it's not as if they're deferring it into 401K's or something.
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Response to JudyM (Reply #11)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:41 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
15. allegedly investment co's are doing this "for the investor" and not to evade taxes - total BS
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Again, I'm calling it how I see it: Money laundering, fraud, lying and cheating while we "little people" keep the country going by obeying the law and paying taxes up the wazoo.
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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Original post)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 08:11 PM
Jeff In Milwaukee (12,507 posts)
12. Hey Willard,
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I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but "those people" in the New York Attorney General's office are going to have complete access the financial records of Bain Capital. They're going to see every transaction, including those check made out to you.
We're going to get your tax return through the back door. And speaking of back doors. Enjoy prison. |
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Original post)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:20 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
13. 2 days ago Rmoney said, ""My promise is to help you and your family." How, by not paying taxes owed?
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??? Answer me that, Tax Doge Mitt.
You see Mittens, the taxes go to things the country needs like roads, clean air/water, schools, and regulating businesses that otherwise pollute, poison, sicken and kill. But in your gated communities away from the real world, you don't get it, do you, selfish one? Congrats to those working on getting this guy to at least pay what's owed, if not sock him with high penalties. |
Response to wordpix (Reply #13)
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 10:33 PM
olddad56 (2,827 posts)
17. His empty promise reminds me of the ones that the compassionate christian war criminal made
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prior to the rigged election of 2000.
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