Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:34 PM
alp227 (20,988 posts)
U.S. war deserter may appeal Canada deportation
Source: Canadian Press
A U.S. soldier facing deportation after fleeing to Canada to avoid the war in Iraq said Friday that her biggest fears are being separated from her children and being sent to prison upon her return to the United States. Kimberly Rivera, who has lived in Canada for five years with her husband and four children, was issued a deportation order earlier this week. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has given her until September 20 to leave the country. ... Rivera, a 30-year-old Army private, served in Iraq in 2006. She said she became disillusioned with the mission. She crossed the border into Canada while on leave in February 2007, after she was ordered to serve another tour there. After arriving in Canada on leave, she applied for refugee status. Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/08/31/us-war-deserter-kimberly-rivera.html Now that Obama is president and the Iraq War is over, I think it's OK for Rivera to come home. Obama should pardon Rivera and others like her like Carter pardoned the Vietnam War draft dodgers who fled to Canada.
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18 replies, 2245 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| alp227 | Aug 2012 | OP | |
| iandhr | Aug 2012 | #1 | |
| Jumping John | Aug 2012 | #4 | |
| Missycim | Aug 2012 | #7 | |
| cleanhippie | Aug 2012 | #13 | |
| WooWooWoo | Aug 2012 | #15 | |
| Scairp | Aug 2012 | #2 | |
| slackmaster | Aug 2012 | #3 | |
| xtraxritical | Aug 2012 | #5 | |
| oldsarge54 | Aug 2012 | #9 | |
| iandhr | Aug 2012 | #10 | |
| cleanhippie | Aug 2012 | #14 | |
| backwoodsbob | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| ohio_88 | Aug 2012 | #6 | |
| Mmm_Bacon | Aug 2012 | #8 | |
| LiveNudePolitics | Aug 2012 | #11 | |
| heaven05 | Aug 2012 | #12 | |
| backscatter712 | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| Rochester | Sep 2012 | #18 |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:39 PM
iandhr (2,296 posts)
1. I disagree
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People who volunteer should not be given the same consideration as those were drafted.
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Response to iandhr (Reply #1)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jumping John (930 posts)
4. Iraq war - fought for no good reason and the real war criminals who will never
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be in court - much less accused:
CIA Agents who murdered innocents at AbuGhraib and the secret prison at Bagram AF Base Condi Rice Donald Rumsfeld Dick Cheney George W Bush Karl Rove |
Response to iandhr (Reply #1)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:20 PM
Missycim (950 posts)
7. I have to agree
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this person signed up and then got cold feet, she now has to pay the price.
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Response to iandhr (Reply #1)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:38 PM
cleanhippie (14,592 posts)
13. You have it right. There is a big difference.
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I retired from the Navy in 2008 for the same reasons that this woman deserted. But we both volunteered. Vietnam draftees that went to Canada did NOT volunteer.
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Response to iandhr (Reply #1)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:43 PM
WooWooWoo (403 posts)
15. true
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but I think there should be a statute of limitations. I'd say 8 years (the terms of an enlistment contract) is sufficient.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:43 PM
Scairp (2,253 posts)
2. She can rest easy
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She won't be sent back to Iraq that for sure but she may end up in a federal prison for desertion and other charges. I don't think she can count on a different administration doing anything for her. She signed up for that kind of life so she was stuck with it. I don't know what to say otherwise.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:43 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
3. Army privates aren't allowed to become disillusioned with the mission without permission
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She volunteered, she deserted.
It's Canada's business if they want to deport her, but she shouldn't be permitted to come back to the USA without facing justice. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:08 PM
xtraxritical (3,225 posts)
5. She should be given a medal. Anyone that joins the military has been lied to by a recruiter.
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The military is our biggest problem.
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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #5)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:52 PM
oldsarge54 (582 posts)
9. You really don't have a clue
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Now tell us why you have such a hard on the military. They are ordinary working class folks who put their ass on the line. Now what is your problem. I've always served. 25 years, USAF, Nam through Gulf, 12 years a teacher, most in a title one district. I now volunteer at the orthopedic unit at the wounded warrior center here. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR YOUR COUNTRY?
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Response to oldsarge54 (Reply #9)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:00 PM
iandhr (2,296 posts)
10. I would like to thank you for your service.
Response to xtraxritical (Reply #5)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:40 PM
cleanhippie (14,592 posts)
14. Are you speaking from experience?
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I'm willing to bet that you are not, but instead are speaking from ignorance.
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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #5)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 01:49 AM
backwoodsbob (4,876 posts)
17. really?
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army deserters deserve a medal?In a volunteer army?
If you say so |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:20 PM
ohio_88 (30 posts)
6. She took an oath -
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when she enlisted in the Military. The time to run to Canada was before taking the oath.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:23 PM
Mmm_Bacon (58 posts)
8. A coward and a liar...
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Come back and face the consequences for her choice...
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:08 PM
LiveNudePolitics (280 posts)
11. Pardons can wait till next year
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Pardons can wait till December, cause it ain't gonna happen during an election as freaky as 2012 is shaping up to be.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:33 PM
heaven05 (2,483 posts)
12. well
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war is pretty cut and dry. Conscience is another issue all together. I would presume that given Pvt. Rivera had served a tour in Iraq that this is the case. It's an all volunteer service true, yet how can we judge the effect of a hostile war zone on any individual. Trained or not, some cannot deal. Cowardice, deserter, easy words for a person to throw out there. We were not there. We do not inhabit Pvt. Rivera's space. Yes the mission must be completed, that I did proudly in an unpopular war. Yet I still have space in my heart to feel, having felt all the emotions before, during and after action, that if a person cannot deal with the vagaries of war they should be given some special consideration. Just my opinion. I will not judge this person although our laws and the UCMJ will. She will have to deal with that and I hope she has a competent defense.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 02:20 AM
Rochester (680 posts)
18. Maybe some third country will be willing to take her
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Seems like Canada said, "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."
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