PINK PROTEST (on convention floor during Ryan speech)

Yes!

was dangerous and they haven't given up. I love you, Code Pink!

to figure out how to start a protest on the floor of the Repugnant National Convention. Brava!!

haven't seen one posted yet

I think it did. "Vagina."

could contribute to helping Romney win. Though, thankfully, the foolishness appears long forgotten.

"VAGINA!" Such shockingly brilliant political strategy. Woo hoo!

to win the next election.

change anyone's mind, I think you are mistaken.

I love Code Pink. They are brave, they are warriors, and they are PINK.

waving vagina signs at the Ryan children is pure ignorance.

I too love Code Pink. But I have critique for their tactics, in this case. They, like our President, are not above criticism.

I realize my position on this, is unpopular here. I knew that before I spoke. I am here to speak my mind, regardless.

That makes you brave too!

You love Code Pink - where do you think the inspiration for the "Pink" came? Hostess snowballs?

I'm not anti-vagina. When you grasp that, you may understand my point.

Peace

Retired Colonel Ann Wright, who served 29 years in the US military, took Ryan to task for his budget priorities, shouting “Fund Healthcare not Warfare!” and unfurling a banner with the same message.

Laura Mills, 21-year-old recent college graduate, focused on Ryan’s anti-women policies, shouting “My body, my choice!” and her banner read, “Vagina. Can’t say it? Don’t legislate it.” Their words stopped Ryan’s speech.

stunt. .. Waving vagina banners in front of Ryan's children? ... That outta win over middle-america.

see the word vagina, a medical term, not a dirty word???

proper context.

proper context? Then what is?

father.

Ryan was on stage ... his children were in the audience. The sign faced the children - not Ryan.

...VAGINA...I LOVE that word!

And I don't even have one!!

I support Code Pink, and VAGINA is not a dirty word, even for Paul Ryan's children.

It was an awesome political move to see the horrified look on the Romney kids faces! Kudos to ghe brilliant code pinkers!!!!!!

understand foolish politics.

...I find your attitude about Code Pink to be disgusting, not the word VAGINA.

Foolish Politics would be, infiltrating the Rethug Cross Burning Ceremony, and being a polite dissenter, which, therefore, nobody would even know about having happened.

BTW, I've been living my WHOLE FUCKING 57+ FUCKING YEARS OF LIFE through political hack scum fucking shitbags running everything, and the results have been less than astounding.

Anyone who has the balls to do what these Code Pink women did tonight should be respected, not trivialized with prudish concerns about the welfare of Eddie Munster's poor innocent chillens.

It's ALL FOOLISH POLITICS, ALL THE TIME! for over THIRTY FUCKIN YEARS and COUNTING!!

ignorant. So, we're even.

"Balls" to do ... interesting choice of words.

If you don't like Republican political shit-bags, don't help them win.

..and I am not helping "them" win, spineless prudes and ineffectual moderates are helping "them" win.

Like I said previously, the 'vagina signs for children' movement is sure to win over middle-America. Especially if we can snap pics of their aghast little faces. After all, waving signs with anatomical phrases in front of school children, has been a highly effective political technique in the past. Perhaps we can erect penis signs at tomorrow's event, and find some young republican school girls to shock?

...just one point before I go: I am pretty sure there is no organized 'vagina signs for children movement', so I wouldn't worry too much about Code Pink throwing the election over to Mitt/Eddie. Calm down and good night.

Your wife is a very lucky woman.

...however, sadly, no wife for me at this time.

But thanks for the nice thoughts!

But I foresee a FABULOUS woman in your future!

These people are fucking lost in space, but they know how to chant something they can spell.

I love her too. Met her at Camp Casey.

human being. I just disagree with targeting kids in a political stunt. My guess is THAT was not her idea.


Peace

"targeting" his kids anymore than I understand your objection to them seeing the word on a banner. Did they yell out the names of the children as they were protesting? Did they grab the kids and shove the banner in their faces? What did they do that makes you keep saying they were targeting the children?

in their faces, stopping in that position, until she was escorted out.

I have no problem with CP being at the event with "vagina" signs, costumes etc. Again, I did not like the tactic, I noted above. I doubt most people would find that palatable.

Kids should be of limits, when it comes to political stunts - period.

Hmm, I wonder why?

The children are in the direction the protester is looking, presumably. .. Either that, or she stopped more than once to stare in the direction of various undesirables?

Perhaps you can catch the replay on MSNBC? If not, I'll try to locate a video tomorrow.

Better yet, ask your friends why they stopped near the Ryan family. Maybe it was a coincidence?

the sign than for people to protest against Ryan's 13th century beliefs. I'm sure that she didn't "target" the kids, she just stopped where and when she could. It's pretty evident that you've never done anything like what CP does every day or you'd know that a protester inside a big convention like the RNC has to hold up the banner as quickly and as often as you can before security grabs you and takes you out.

And I STILL don't care if the kids saw the banner, I think they SHOULD know that people object to their father trying to control every woman in America's body.

viewing of the sign, by the Ryan children.

Protest. Wear your vagina costumes - just don't stop in front of the Ryan family and wave the friggen vag banner.

Frankly, the 13th century was probably more open to choice than many Republicans are today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

Somehow, I don't think the Ryan kids will object to their father, based upon the events of the day. If anything, they'll feel bullied by liberals.

"Once again, I don't have a problem with the inadvertent viewing of the sign, by the Ryan children." and "just don't stop in front of the Ryan family and wave the friggen vag banner." More contradicting yourself. After reading this stuff for the last two hours, it's no wonder I'm exhausted, lol.

the difference between focusing directly on the Ryan children, and not doing so astounds me. But, I guess that's why we disagree?

Night.

"...and held the banner in their faces,"

Which is kinda, sorta, almost, like...

"The children are in the direction the protester is looking, presumably..."


However, I'm the first to admit that we color our words, our interpretations, and our realities to better suit our opinions.

near the Ryan family, in a deliberate move to garner attention. The sign was in between Ryan's wife and children and the MSNBC camera. It's not a matter of debate, to anyone who saw the footage. Though, I can see why you'd want to "better suit" your "opinion" by hoping otherwise.

in front of the Ryan children? Or did I misread the backward lettering?

I hope I misread ... if not - one has to wonder what idiot came up with that stunt? James Okeefe?

The "idiots" were - Retired Colonel Ann Wright, who served 29 years in the US military, took Ryan to task for his budget priorities, shouting “Fund Healthcare not Warfare!” and unfurling a banner with the same message. Laura Mills, 21-year-old recent college graduate, focused on Ryan’s anti-women policies, shouting “My body, my choice!” and her banner read, “Vagina. Can’t say it? Don’t legislate it.”

Why on earth do you think that Ryan's children shouldn't see the word vagina????

yes. Waving vag. signs in front of Ryan's children is pure ignorance. I wish the colonel had better advised her counterparts.

Heaven forbid they learn about anatomy of human beings!

of small children was smart politics. I also do not consider doing so - a biology lesson.

was not among the goals of dressing up in puffy vagina suits, and/or holding the vagina sign in front of Ryan's children?

OMG, a puffy suit of an orange!



Stop giving into the right's effort to make you ashamed of your body. There is nothing shameful about vaginas. It's anatomy.

my concern is not that the children are scarred for life. Nor, that vagina's are supposedly "shameful." I merely think it was foolish, politically speaking.

Perhaps you can chase school children yelling the word vagina sometime soon? Be sure to get it on film and align yourself with the future Kucinich campaign in the process.

Aren't you a female? From your name, I assume so. So please, for the third time, why should Ryan's children be protected from seeing the word vagina, which is NOT a dirty word, it's a medical term? I still do not understand your objection. (but I'll admit, I probably never will even if you did choose to explain it.)

move?

Yes I am female. I have seen the vagina monologues. I would not bring a five year old child to see Ms. Ensler perform - however.

seeing a word on a sign, especially if it's a five year old who can't even read it! I have never censored what my kids see, read, or listen to and all three turned out to be wonderful people.

I truly do not understand your objection to the word, to a child seeing it, or understand any of what you've been complaining about. I do not understand your objection to a child seeing a biological term written on a banner. Vagina is a medical or scientific term, not a word that a child shouldn't see and I really, really don't know what you think is so horrible about a kid seeing the word.

ignorance.

I do not object to children learning the word vagina - for goodness sakes. I object to the political idiocy of deliberately targeting Ryan's kids in the process of protesting. Is that really so hard to grasp?

You don't object to kids learning the word, but you keep saying the kids shouldn't see a banner that says vagina, that someone else can chase kids around a playground and yell the word at them, etc.

Where I live, which is in nowhere, Indiana, not a big city, it's not a dirty word. Little kids learn the word when they learn nose, teeth, ears, fingers and all their other body parts and I sincerely doubt that any kid would be traumatized from seeing the word written on a banner.

So, yes, it's hard to grasp what you are complaining about, it truly is.

sign-stopped and held it in front of the Ryan kids. The sign was not facing Mr. Ryan. My first thought was that Repugs were posing as liberals. That said - it was not Colonel Ann who held that sign.

I will not debate the word vagina. Again ... the issue for me - was the bad political theater.

I applaud code pink for being at the RNC. I just feel that move wasn't well thought out.

their father is trying to do to ALL the women in this country. If he had his kids there, then it was his choice to involve them, not Laura's. And I'll be sure to pass the word to the rest of CP that you don't approve. I'm sure they'll be heartbroken, lol.

category.

As for CP, I don't care if they're heartbroken or not. And, they don't much care of Obama wins, apparently?

they'll be at the DNC, too. But if you really want to know, I don't know anyone who didn't vote for him and work for him in 2008. Most of us do want Obama to win, even though we hate his drones killing innocent people and that our kids are still dying in countries where we shouldn't have been in the first place and that the military is using them up and not taking care of them when they get home.

And I STILL don't understand what your objection to what happened earlier tonight is all about and I'm tired of this conversation because it's going nowhere. You contradict yourself in every other post and I'm finished trying to understand you.

My only issue was deliberately pausing, and holding the "can't say it..." sign up in front of the Ryan children. As I've said, they knew that some are uncomfortable saying vagina, thus the slogan. Yet, they chose to use children in the protest? WTF?!

At first I was thrilled to see Code Pink. That feeling did not last.

Again, I don't think what happened plays well for the collective cause. I want Obama to win in November.

Geez. Guess you've never taken part in any protests or civil disobedience. Maybe you should.

No children were directly targeted, however.

Get over it yourself.

and they might associate these folks with ANY opponent to Ryan, and make him look more reasonable. I saw a few bits of his speech, the part where he was appealing to the disaffected. If they hear or learn nothing else, he sounded pretty good. And since it's possible that we will have a stolen, I mean close, election, this is certainly an important point.

On the other hand, his kids have had their brains steeped in women hating and condescension, been taught by a father who thinks rape is just another method of conception, who seems like he wants to look smugly out on a landscape littered with the corpses of coat-hanger-caused dead mothers and their fetuses in alleys and motel rooms, longs to take food stamps away from about 8 to 10 million neighbors of ours leaving them starving, cold, hungry, and sometimes dead. Look out on that, fold his arms and and be PROUD, knowing that he was the one who engineered it.

(Want to know who he wants to pay lower taxes? Watch Million Dollar Listing, check out Bravo TV. These are the wealthy, some of the least productive people you will ever see., who he thinks need tax breaks so they can buy $600 hair cuts and pay for the masseuse for their dog.)

Given that, I think his kids won't be hurt by a picture of a vagina, or even a larger-than-life model. And, frankly, if people would rather vote for those policies above because someone put the word VAGINA on a sign, if their neighbors and this country mean so freakin' little to them, I am not sure there really is anything we could possibly do to affect that.

But you may be right.

I can't help trying to think of different analogies when I look at things like this, trying to decide if an action was helpful or not.

What if Hitler was up there making a speech about sending Jews to concentration camps, and trying to get people to vote for him? (And I don't mean to make Hitler look bad by pairing him with Ryan, it's just for example). And then the Colonel walks across in front with a vagina costume on.

Would you really be afraid that new Nazi's would be signing up in droves because of it?

(I don't mean any disrespect, Hitler killed 6 million Jews. If Ryan's no quarter abortion policies go into effect, there will very likely be thousands of dead kids and moms every year. Ryan wants to take the food that runs out the third week of every month from the "lucky" recipients, most of whom are kids. There are no other good choices for the numbers of people we would have to provide for if he hurts that program. And when his economic plans go into effect we will, (there is virtually no disagreement, except from other of his True Believers) almost certainly enter a deep and long-lasting depression, which at this stage could well mean the end of this country and perhaps the untimely deaths of millions of our friends and neighbors. So it may not be the exaggeration it appears at first glance. People may die early at home or in the streets instead of in a prison. But they are just as surely murdered. He very well could be responsible for more death and misery over the next 4 or 8 years than the Nazi's. That has to give one pause.)

Frankly, I don't understand why there aren't hundreds of women at every stop throwing bloody dolls at him. A sign with the word Vagina? It's about respect for women, and it's less than he deserves. In comparison to Ryan, their demonstration doesn't seem so bad to me. But I respect that ymmv, and your opinion.

On the other hand, perhaps their target is the people at home, in addition to Ryan. Remember, they arrested Lenny Bruce for obscene language, George Carlin used "obscene" words in his limited-distribution monologue (before the Internet put him everywhere), and now you can hear the same words on evening TV.

Maybe the day vagina can be said on the floor of an elected body and not get the representative thrown out, (derived from a time when the poor little dears needed to be protected from themselves, with all those nasty parts an all) or the day these people (mostly men, but women too) quit trying to make other people's reproductive decisions for them, or the day an astronaut who risked her life in the service of this country can die without having her partner of many years denied her benefits, (the War on Women covers a lot of ground) they won't have to do this, no matter who is running for President.

But like I said, you might be right.

Again, I'm worried about winning an election. I hate to sound crass, but I don't care about his kids feelings surrounding seeing a vagina sign. I care about how it played out on television. That said, most media outlets may not make hay out of it. I hope that is so.

True, we're not talking Hitler, or droves of voters, here. But we might be talking about the invasion of Syria vs. not invading. And, presumably Code Pink would want to support the guy who will not listen to McCain on foreign policy?

The election is within a single digit, according to an average of national polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

There are smart ways to protest in favor of choice. Using the Ryan kids as a prop, was not among them.

Edited to add, thank you for your thoughtful post.

Good night.

it's being seen using the kids. But with all the spitting, and name-calling, and shoe- and word-throwing going on the past few years, maybe it doesn't stand out so bad.

But we all have things we would do different if we were king or queen, eh

I am much more concerned about the candidates, they set the tone. Obama at Iowa -

"Obama's Campaign Speech at Iowa State University ... And the truth is you've got more at stake in this election than just about anybody"

It was good, it was impassioned, it exhorted them to get out and vote. I'm sure his advisers were pleased.

But it doesn't speak to the 50 year old with a family and a mortgage (10-15 million still in trouble, more every day) laid off in 2009 and still not employed full-time and may not be before early Social Security, while Paul Ryan and his snake-oil-peddling generalities were focused like a laser on that guy. It didn't speak to the widow who is today on a fixed income budget, who Ryan is telling "Nothing will change for you" - even though you and I and half the country knows she will face an additional $6500 a year in potential charges for pills - Paul Ryan said come to our side if things are not working for you. (We know he means "Come to our side, and die". But again, with no details he can start to pull people into his web).

Sure, the students have a rough road ahead. We all do. Some have advantages that older folks don't, That little old woman down the street hasn't got anything to fall back on, and lives a much more precarious life.

Though I can understand the thinking, and who the party thinks it can win with, I wish he had given a speech that told them they needed to stand with each other, with their friends and neighbors, with the old folks, the hungry, and those with low-income, that if we don't ALL do better, nobody will, and that we ALL need to help each other vote, whether it means volunteering to drive someone to get a license, or watching their dog so they can mark a ballot.

But that's not this campaign, else we might be hearing about the increase in poverty that is occurring and that we cannot let it stand, regardless of party. But probably not a key demographic there either.

I hope his advisers are correct, for all of us.

Good night, mzmolly.

(Quick edit - And they MAY have a point. My wife's mother lives with us, 91 years old, likes to watch Ice Road Truckers. She marks her own ballot. I asked why she voted for Obama. She said she started voting Democratic in Oklahoma where she grew up, and always has. So I suspect they know how many seniors they can count on, if they are allowed to vote))

and hateful things about women and the President all the time.

The "parents"should have left them with the babysitter if their little ears could not hear their father attack the President and women on TV.

Their "mother" should have told her husband many times that she respects the rights of women and he needs to shut up. If she told
him it didn't work.

The children were attending an event of their lifetime to let America understand that they are a " perfect "family.
It was an event for Adults!!!

End of discussion.

and not Ryan then, huh?

Obviously the "can't say it, don't legislate it" shit implies that some ARE uncomfortable with the word, no? So, why the brilliant assumption that it was politically smart to target (stop in front of and pause until escorted out) Ryan's kids?

Again, my question is with the political wisdom of the stunt. Not the morality of the word vagina.

Why do you think the move, targeting Ryan's kids, will win over undecided voters? Please share with me the strategy behind the move? What is the political win, here?

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the video.

I'm sure they heard their daddy say and do many evil things.

when they stood directly in front of them, with the sign in question?

shouldn't see the sign? You say you don't object to kids seeing or learning the word, but yet, here you are again, complaining that it was shown in front of the children. You really aren't making any sense when you keep contradicting yourself.

clear.

(Politically speaking of course) ... The look on the Ryan children's faces when the CP protesters stopped with the 'can't say it signs' in front of them.

At this point, I feel CP is more interested in garnering attention, of any kind, than helping Obama win.

From the words of my young daughter "they're making themselves look more stupid than the Republicans." Yep.

attention to the things most people don't know about like murdering people with drones. Or Ryan and Akin working together and believing the same thing about controlling women's bodies. And bringing our kids, including my nephew, home. And stopping our country from starting wars that we don't need to be in. You obviously know absolutely nothing about CodePink.

Regardless, it's obvious that your purpose is not to help Obama win.

I said above that I think you're harming what should be the collective cause, with stunts like I noted. I also stated that I feel CP is more interested in attention, than helping the President win re-election. Thanks for confirming that I was right. As such, my statement about political ignorance shouldn't bother you. After all, helping Democrats win, is not on the CP agenda, right? Nor, is being politically astute.



That said, I'm generally thankful for your activism. I realize you're not being advised politically. And, overall I like the vagina meme. You can't effect change, without garnering attention.

Peace

utterly exhausted so I'm going to bed. You just go on and continue to be "politically astute" and we'll continue to do what we do. Goodnight.

this election may partly be about invading Syria and Iran, vs. not doing so. As such, I hope that Code Pink, will think about who wins the Presidency in 2012, and how they can help vs. harm?

I'm sorry about your ill friend or family member.

Take care.

who agree with me, in another thread. So, apparently some get the idea of good vs. bad politics.

or rejecting open discussion of general science is not politics. It's just sad.

I have to approve of vagina signs being shoved in the faces of children, in order to support open scientific discussion and/or not being ashamed of my anatomy. Gotcha.

They know the word vagina. Trust me. They ask how babies are made and they pretty much know now. Vagina is not a dirty word.

point.

as usual, a couple of persistent Code Pink haters are here to beat the thread to absolute death. For hours and hours. With the most penny-ante, ludicrous objections (omg! words! pointed! at children! in! my! imagination! halp!). You'd think it was official talking points. (Of course, most people here are all for this action, because it's against RNC. The rabid reactions are really going to come if Code Pink pulls the same stunt in Charlotte, against the drone war.)

Code Pink are always out there on the front lines, putting themselves on the line for the right causes, not judging what's right and wrong according to fearful go-to-sleep centrist hypocrisy, always making good trouble. Hooray!

Code Pink is supposedly opposed to war. Helping McCain win with ignorant stunts, involving attempting to shock children on live TV, is not opposing war. Quite the opposite.

I'm as left as it gets. Which is why I don't want to help a future "President Romney" win. ..

Clue - one can be a leftist and politically thoughtful at the same time.

Weeks later, can you look at all the ridiculous comments you spread around on this thread and see how this protest did not have anything like the effects you persistently fantasized?

no one in the media ran with the ignorance on display, and CP remains largely irrelevant.

BTW, I'm not the one responding to a thread a week later, while deeming others obsessed.

that you had also dumped one of your "responses" on my post. It took me a minute to recall what this even was.

The display you put on in this thread - the bullying, the irrationality, the use of extreme rhetoric without any relevance whatsoever, the assault on every single other post with your nonsense - speaks for itself.

(Is that you in the process of inventing complaints against real activists, like Code Pink?)

Thanks for your many kicks to a fine OP. Lots of people probably missed it until now.

where other DU-ers took issue with CP's tactics. I'll add a kick to point that out, as well.

I'm not ashamed of wanting to win the next election. And/or, for calling out ignorant liberal tactics when I see them. So, feel free to kick this thread as often as you like.