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Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:16 PM

PINK PROTEST (on convention floor during Ryan speech)

Source: AP

As Paul Ryan was in the midst of an attack-dog speech accepting the vice presidential nomination, he was disrupted by a pink banner and a yelling protester. The protester, apparently from the group Code Pink, was escorted out as some in the crowd started shouting "U-S-A."

— Liz Sidoti


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Reply PINK PROTEST (on convention floor during Ryan speech) (Original post)
trailmonkee Aug 2012 OP
classof56 Aug 2012 #1
roguevalley Aug 2012 #32
YellaDog1950 Aug 2012 #2
jillan Aug 2012 #3
trailmonkee Aug 2012 #5
mzmolly Aug 2012 #10
bitchkitty Sep 2012 #92
mzmolly Sep 2012 #94
bitchkitty Sep 2012 #95
mzmolly Sep 2012 #97
bitchkitty Sep 2012 #99
mzmolly Sep 2012 #100
bitchkitty Sep 2012 #101
mzmolly Sep 2012 #102
bitchkitty Sep 2012 #103
mzmolly Sep 2012 #104
kas125 Aug 2012 #11
mzmolly Aug 2012 #14
kas125 Aug 2012 #17
mzmolly Aug 2012 #18
kas125 Aug 2012 #23
mzmolly Aug 2012 #31
kas125 Aug 2012 #34
mzmolly Aug 2012 #38
GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #26
mzmolly Aug 2012 #28
GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #29
mzmolly Aug 2012 #39
GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #49
mzmolly Aug 2012 #51
GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #53
mzmolly Aug 2012 #56
GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #58
mzmolly Aug 2012 #60
bitchkitty Sep 2012 #93
GReedDiamond Sep 2012 #96
bitchkitty Sep 2012 #98
MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #4
efhmc Aug 2012 #6
YellaDog1950 Aug 2012 #7
kas125 Aug 2012 #8
2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #12
kas125 Aug 2012 #15
mzmolly Aug 2012 #35
kas125 Aug 2012 #36
mzmolly Aug 2012 #44
kas125 Aug 2012 #57
mzmolly Aug 2012 #61
kas125 Aug 2012 #63
mzmolly Aug 2012 #66
kas125 Aug 2012 #68
mzmolly Aug 2012 #71
LanternWaste Sep 2012 #109
mzmolly Sep 2012 #110
mzmolly Aug 2012 #9
kas125 Aug 2012 #13
mzmolly Aug 2012 #16
NutmegYankee Aug 2012 #19
mzmolly Aug 2012 #22
NutmegYankee Aug 2012 #73
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mikelgb Aug 2012 #20
mzmolly Aug 2012 #25
kas125 Aug 2012 #21
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:32 PM

1. I love their courage!

Yes!

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Response to classof56 (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:35 AM

32. I saw that. They are the bravest women in America I think. They were out there when it

was dangerous and they haven't given up. I love you, Code Pink!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:38 PM

2. Leave it to a woman.....

to figure out how to start a protest on the floor of the Repugnant National Convention. Brava!!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:38 PM

3. I wonder what their sign said.

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Response to jillan (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:46 PM

5. i'm looking for a photo....

haven't seen one posted yet

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Response to jillan (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:02 AM

10. I hope it did not say what

I think it did. "Vagina."


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Response to mzmolly (Reply #10)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 02:34 PM

92. You don't like vaginas? n/t

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #92)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 03:00 PM

94. You don't like winning elections? n/t

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #94)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 04:20 PM

95. My vagina is going to steal the election? Oh no! n/t

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #95)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:59 PM

97. No. But the ignorance on display at the RNC by CP,

could contribute to helping Romney win. Though, thankfully, the foolishness appears long forgotten.

"VAGINA!" Such shockingly brilliant political strategy. Woo hoo!

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #97)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:15 PM

99. Not ashamed of my vajayjay. n/t

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #99)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:50 AM

100. I'm not ashamed of wanting Obama

to win the next election.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #100)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:52 AM

101. If you believe that the word vagina will

change anyone's mind, I think you are mistaken.

I love Code Pink. They are brave, they are warriors, and they are PINK.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #101)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:02 AM

102. I believe that in a close election

waving vagina signs at the Ryan children is pure ignorance.

I too love Code Pink. But I have critique for their tactics, in this case. They, like our President, are not above criticism.

I realize my position on this, is unpopular here. I knew that before I spoke. I am here to speak my mind, regardless.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #102)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:20 AM

103. Good for you for speaking your mind.

That makes you brave too!

You love Code Pink - where do you think the inspiration for the "Pink" came? Hostess snowballs?

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #103)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:06 PM

104. Again,

I'm not anti-vagina. When you grasp that, you may understand my point.

Peace

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Response to jillan (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:03 AM

11. Here's what the banners said -

Retired Colonel Ann Wright, who served 29 years in the US military, took Ryan to task for his budget priorities, shouting “Fund Healthcare not Warfare!” and unfurling a banner with the same message.

Laura Mills, 21-year-old recent college graduate, focused on Ryan’s anti-women policies, shouting “My body, my choice!” and her banner read, “Vagina. Can’t say it? Don’t legislate it.” Their words stopped Ryan’s speech.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:07 AM

14. What a foolish

stunt. .. Waving vagina banners in front of Ryan's children? ... That outta win over middle-america.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:11 AM

17. And for the second time - why on earth do you think his children shouldn't

see the word vagina, a medical term, not a dirty word???

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Response to kas125 (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:12 AM

18. They should see it in the

proper context.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:17 AM

23. And their father trying to regulate every woman's vagina isn't the

proper context? Then what is?

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Response to kas125 (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:31 AM

31. Then wave a sign at their freaking

father.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:43 AM

34. ???? Wasn't he there?

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Response to kas125 (Reply #34)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:59 AM

38. You obviously did not see the footage?

Ryan was on stage ... his children were in the audience. The sign faced the children - not Ryan.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:22 AM

26. Vagina...VAGINA...

...VAGINA...I LOVE that word!

And I don't even have one!!

I support Code Pink, and VAGINA is not a dirty word, even for Paul Ryan's children.

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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #26)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:26 AM

28. I have changed my mind.

It was an awesome political move to see the horrified look on the Romney kids faces! Kudos to ghe brilliant code pinkers!!!!!!

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:27 AM

29. Too bad you're lying about your change of mind...nt

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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:01 AM

39. Too bad you do not

understand foolish politics.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:43 AM

49. ..."foolish politics"...first of all, who made you the Great Political Strategist?

...I find your attitude about Code Pink to be disgusting, not the word VAGINA.

Foolish Politics would be, infiltrating the Rethug Cross Burning Ceremony, and being a polite dissenter, which, therefore, nobody would even know about having happened.

BTW, I've been living my WHOLE FUCKING 57+ FUCKING YEARS OF LIFE through political hack scum fucking shitbags running everything, and the results have been less than astounding.

Anyone who has the balls to do what these Code Pink women did tonight should be respected, not trivialized with prudish concerns about the welfare of Eddie Munster's poor innocent chillens.

It's ALL FOOLISH POLITICS, ALL THE TIME! for over THIRTY FUCKIN YEARS and COUNTING!!

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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #49)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:45 AM

51. I find your attitude

ignorant. So, we're even.

"Balls" to do ... interesting choice of words.

If you don't like Republican political shit-bags, don't help them win.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #51)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:47 AM

53. So sayeth the GPS, mzmolly...

..and I am not helping "them" win, spineless prudes and ineffectual moderates are helping "them" win.

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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #53)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:01 AM

56. Sure.

Like I said previously, the 'vagina signs for children' movement is sure to win over middle-America. Especially if we can snap pics of their aghast little faces. After all, waving signs with anatomical phrases in front of school children, has been a highly effective political technique in the past. Perhaps we can erect penis signs at tomorrow's event, and find some young republican school girls to shock?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #56)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:06 AM

58. Whatever you say...goodnight and good luck, mzmolly...

...just one point before I go: I am pretty sure there is no organized 'vagina signs for children movement', so I wouldn't worry too much about Code Pink throwing the election over to Mitt/Eddie. Calm down and good night.

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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #58)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:10 AM

60. Night.






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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #49)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 02:37 PM

93. Thank you for this post. Loving your words!

Your wife is a very lucky woman.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #93)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 07:57 PM

96. She would be, I guess, if she existed...

...however, sadly, no wife for me at this time.

But thanks for the nice thoughts!

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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #96)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:15 PM

98. If I were younger and friskier you'd be in danger.

But I foresee a FABULOUS woman in your future!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:43 PM

4. Amazing they can spell it...

These people are fucking lost in space, but they know how to chant something they can spell.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:56 PM

6. I love these tough, determined women. They are my kind of Americans.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:58 PM

8. The two CodePink protesters tonight were Laura Mills and Ann Wright (whom I love dearly!)

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Response to kas125 (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:03 AM

12. Colonel Ann Wright?

I love her too. Met her at Camp Casey.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:08 AM

15. Yep, Col. Ann. She is really a special kind of human being.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:46 AM

35. I have no doubt she is a wonderful and accomplished

human being. I just disagree with targeting kids in a political stunt. My guess is THAT was not her idea.


Peace

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #35)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:52 AM

36. I don't understand why you keep saying they were

"targeting" his kids anymore than I understand your objection to them seeing the word on a banner. Did they yell out the names of the children as they were protesting? Did they grab the kids and shove the banner in their faces? What did they do that makes you keep saying they were targeting the children?

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Response to kas125 (Reply #36)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:32 AM

44. IIRC - the person with the sign, stood directly in front of the Ryan family and held the banner

in their faces, stopping in that position, until she was escorted out.

I have no problem with CP being at the event with "vagina" signs, costumes etc. Again, I did not like the tactic, I noted above. I doubt most people would find that palatable.

Kids should be of limits, when it comes to political stunts - period.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #44)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:06 AM

57. Here's the picture - which ones are Ryan's children?

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Response to kas125 (Reply #57)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:16 AM

61. Did CP crop the Ryan family out of the PR photos?

Hmm, I wonder why?

The children are in the direction the protester is looking, presumably. .. Either that, or she stopped more than once to stare in the direction of various undesirables?

Perhaps you can catch the replay on MSNBC? If not, I'll try to locate a video tomorrow.

Better yet, ask your friends why they stopped near the Ryan family. Maybe it was a coincidence?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #61)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:23 AM

63. What I'm wondering is why you think it's more important that Ryan's kids not see

the sign than for people to protest against Ryan's 13th century beliefs. I'm sure that she didn't "target" the kids, she just stopped where and when she could. It's pretty evident that you've never done anything like what CP does every day or you'd know that a protester inside a big convention like the RNC has to hold up the banner as quickly and as often as you can before security grabs you and takes you out.

And I STILL don't care if the kids saw the banner, I think they SHOULD know that people object to their father trying to control every woman in America's body.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #63)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:42 AM

66. Once again, I don't have a problem with the inadvertent

viewing of the sign, by the Ryan children.

Protest. Wear your vagina costumes - just don't stop in front of the Ryan family and wave the friggen vag banner.

Frankly, the 13th century was probably more open to choice than many Republicans are today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

Somehow, I don't think the Ryan kids will object to their father, based upon the events of the day. If anything, they'll feel bullied by liberals.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #66)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:48 AM

68. One last post and then I reallly am going to sleep -

"Once again, I don't have a problem with the inadvertent viewing of the sign, by the Ryan children." and "just don't stop in front of the Ryan family and wave the friggen vag banner." More contradicting yourself. After reading this stuff for the last two hours, it's no wonder I'm exhausted, lol.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #68)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 03:04 AM

71. The fact that you don't understand

the difference between focusing directly on the Ryan children, and not doing so astounds me. But, I guess that's why we disagree?

Night.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #61)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:07 PM

109. Which is kinda, sorta, almost, like...

"...and held the banner in their faces,"

Which is kinda, sorta, almost, like...

"The children are in the direction the protester is looking, presumably..."


However, I'm the first to admit that we color our words, our interpretations, and our realities to better suit our opinions.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #109)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:54 PM

110. Actually, the protestor stopped and stood

near the Ryan family, in a deliberate move to garner attention. The sign was in between Ryan's wife and children and the MSNBC camera. It's not a matter of debate, to anyone who saw the footage. Though, I can see why you'd want to "better suit" your "opinion" by hoping otherwise.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:01 AM

9. Did they actually wave signs saying vagina

in front of the Ryan children? Or did I misread the backward lettering?

I hope I misread ... if not - one has to wonder what idiot came up with that stunt? James Okeefe?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:06 AM

13. Idiot?!!? James O'Keefe??? Wow, just wow.

The "idiots" were - Retired Colonel Ann Wright, who served 29 years in the US military, took Ryan to task for his budget priorities, shouting “Fund Healthcare not Warfare!” and unfurling a banner with the same message. Laura Mills, 21-year-old recent college graduate, focused on Ryan’s anti-women policies, shouting “My body, my choice!” and her banner read, “Vagina. Can’t say it? Don’t legislate it.”

Why on earth do you think that Ryan's children shouldn't see the word vagina????

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Response to kas125 (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:10 AM

16. She's a political idiot

yes. Waving vag. signs in front of Ryan's children is pure ignorance. I wish the colonel had better advised her counterparts.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:13 AM

19. I didn't realize that biology was bad for children.

Heaven forbid they learn about anatomy of human beings!

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:16 AM

22. I didn't realize waving vagina signs in front

of small children was smart politics. I also do not consider doing so - a biology lesson.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 05:16 AM

73. You seem to imply that it's a bad word. It's just anatomy. nt

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #73)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:55 PM

79. Are you suggesting that shock value

was not among the goals of dressing up in puffy vagina suits, and/or holding the vagina sign in front of Ryan's children?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #79)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 06:32 PM

82. I question why it matters for children.

OMG, a puffy suit of an orange!



Stop giving into the right's effort to make you ashamed of your body. There is nothing shameful about vaginas. It's anatomy.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #82)

Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:00 PM

87. Like I've said repeatedly

my concern is not that the children are scarred for life. Nor, that vagina's are supposedly "shameful." I merely think it was foolish, politically speaking.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:14 AM

20. VAGINA

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Response to mikelgb (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:21 AM

25. woo hoo!

Perhaps you can chase school children yelling the word vagina sometime soon? Be sure to get it on film and align yourself with the future Kucinich campaign in the process.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:15 AM

21. She was a Colonel, not a general. And she DID advise her counterparts.

Aren't you a female? From your name, I assume so. So please, for the third time, why should Ryan's children be protected from seeing the word vagina, which is NOT a dirty word, it's a medical term? I still do not understand your objection. (but I'll admit, I probably never will even if you did choose to explain it.)

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Response to kas125 (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:19 AM

24. Tell me why you think it was a smart political

move?

Yes I am female. I have seen the vagina monologues. I would not bring a five year old child to see Ms. Ensler perform - however.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:25 AM

27. I'm not the one calling people idiots and making a big deal about children

seeing a word on a sign, especially if it's a five year old who can't even read it! I have never censored what my kids see, read, or listen to and all three turned out to be wonderful people.

I truly do not understand your objection to the word, to a child seeing it, or understand any of what you've been complaining about. I do not understand your objection to a child seeing a biological term written on a banner. Vagina is a medical or scientific term, not a word that a child shouldn't see and I really, really don't know what you think is so horrible about a kid seeing the word.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #27)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:29 AM

30. I am calling out political

ignorance.

I do not object to children learning the word vagina - for goodness sakes. I object to the political idiocy of deliberately targeting Ryan's kids in the process of protesting. Is that really so hard to grasp?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:40 AM

33. Yes, it is that hard to grasp. They weren't "targeting" his kids, they were targeting their father.

You don't object to kids learning the word, but you keep saying the kids shouldn't see a banner that says vagina, that someone else can chase kids around a playground and yell the word at them, etc.

Where I live, which is in nowhere, Indiana, not a big city, it's not a dirty word. Little kids learn the word when they learn nose, teeth, ears, fingers and all their other body parts and I sincerely doubt that any kid would be traumatized from seeing the word written on a banner.

So, yes, it's hard to grasp what you are complaining about, it truly is.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:57 AM

37. From what I recall - the person holding the vagina

sign-stopped and held it in front of the Ryan kids. The sign was not facing Mr. Ryan. My first thought was that Repugs were posing as liberals. That said - it was not Colonel Ann who held that sign.

I will not debate the word vagina. Again ... the issue for me - was the bad political theater.

I applaud code pink for being at the RNC. I just feel that move wasn't well thought out.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:06 AM

41. If she did show the kids the banner, I say good for her! They SHOULD know what

their father is trying to do to ALL the women in this country. If he had his kids there, then it was his choice to involve them, not Laura's. And I'll be sure to pass the word to the rest of CP that you don't approve. I'm sure they'll be heartbroken, lol.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:24 AM

42. I'll put you into the "it was a politically brilliant move"

category.

As for CP, I don't care if they're heartbroken or not. And, they don't much care of Obama wins, apparently?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #42)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:46 AM

52. CodePink is non partisan, they cannot endorse a candidate or even say they prefer one. And

they'll be at the DNC, too. But if you really want to know, I don't know anyone who didn't vote for him and work for him in 2008. Most of us do want Obama to win, even though we hate his drones killing innocent people and that our kids are still dying in countries where we shouldn't have been in the first place and that the military is using them up and not taking care of them when they get home.

And I STILL don't understand what your objection to what happened earlier tonight is all about and I'm tired of this conversation because it's going nowhere. You contradict yourself in every other post and I'm finished trying to understand you.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #52)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:56 AM

55. This is true. I know that CP has protested Democrats as well.

My only issue was deliberately pausing, and holding the "can't say it..." sign up in front of the Ryan children. As I've said, they knew that some are uncomfortable saying vagina, thus the slogan. Yet, they chose to use children in the protest? WTF?!

At first I was thrilled to see Code Pink. That feeling did not last.

Again, I don't think what happened plays well for the collective cause. I want Obama to win in November.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #55)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:05 PM

83. Get over it, already.

Geez. Guess you've never taken part in any protests or civil disobedience. Maybe you should.

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Response to alstephenson (Reply #83)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:01 PM

84. I have taken part in civil disobedience.

No children were directly targeted, however.

Get over it yourself.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:24 AM

64. I think I see your point. There will be people who tune into this, or see it live,

and they might associate these folks with ANY opponent to Ryan, and make him look more reasonable. I saw a few bits of his speech, the part where he was appealing to the disaffected. If they hear or learn nothing else, he sounded pretty good. And since it's possible that we will have a stolen, I mean close, election, this is certainly an important point.

On the other hand, his kids have had their brains steeped in women hating and condescension, been taught by a father who thinks rape is just another method of conception, who seems like he wants to look smugly out on a landscape littered with the corpses of coat-hanger-caused dead mothers and their fetuses in alleys and motel rooms, longs to take food stamps away from about 8 to 10 million neighbors of ours leaving them starving, cold, hungry, and sometimes dead. Look out on that, fold his arms and and be PROUD, knowing that he was the one who engineered it.

(Want to know who he wants to pay lower taxes? Watch Million Dollar Listing, check out Bravo TV. These are the wealthy, some of the least productive people you will ever see., who he thinks need tax breaks so they can buy $600 hair cuts and pay for the masseuse for their dog.)

Given that, I think his kids won't be hurt by a picture of a vagina, or even a larger-than-life model. And, frankly, if people would rather vote for those policies above because someone put the word VAGINA on a sign, if their neighbors and this country mean so freakin' little to them, I am not sure there really is anything we could possibly do to affect that.

But you may be right.

I can't help trying to think of different analogies when I look at things like this, trying to decide if an action was helpful or not.

What if Hitler was up there making a speech about sending Jews to concentration camps, and trying to get people to vote for him? (And I don't mean to make Hitler look bad by pairing him with Ryan, it's just for example). And then the Colonel walks across in front with a vagina costume on.

Would you really be afraid that new Nazi's would be signing up in droves because of it?

(I don't mean any disrespect, Hitler killed 6 million Jews. If Ryan's no quarter abortion policies go into effect, there will very likely be thousands of dead kids and moms every year. Ryan wants to take the food that runs out the third week of every month from the "lucky" recipients, most of whom are kids. There are no other good choices for the numbers of people we would have to provide for if he hurts that program. And when his economic plans go into effect we will, (there is virtually no disagreement, except from other of his True Believers) almost certainly enter a deep and long-lasting depression, which at this stage could well mean the end of this country and perhaps the untimely deaths of millions of our friends and neighbors. So it may not be the exaggeration it appears at first glance. People may die early at home or in the streets instead of in a prison. But they are just as surely murdered. He very well could be responsible for more death and misery over the next 4 or 8 years than the Nazi's. That has to give one pause.)

Frankly, I don't understand why there aren't hundreds of women at every stop throwing bloody dolls at him. A sign with the word Vagina? It's about respect for women, and it's less than he deserves. In comparison to Ryan, their demonstration doesn't seem so bad to me. But I respect that ymmv, and your opinion.

On the other hand, perhaps their target is the people at home, in addition to Ryan. Remember, they arrested Lenny Bruce for obscene language, George Carlin used "obscene" words in his limited-distribution monologue (before the Internet put him everywhere), and now you can hear the same words on evening TV.

Maybe the day vagina can be said on the floor of an elected body and not get the representative thrown out, (derived from a time when the poor little dears needed to be protected from themselves, with all those nasty parts an all) or the day these people (mostly men, but women too) quit trying to make other people's reproductive decisions for them, or the day an astronaut who risked her life in the service of this country can die without having her partner of many years denied her benefits, (the War on Women covers a lot of ground) they won't have to do this, no matter who is running for President.

But like I said, you might be right.








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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #64)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:59 AM

69. I'm not worried about his kids being hurt, honestly.

Again, I'm worried about winning an election. I hate to sound crass, but I don't care about his kids feelings surrounding seeing a vagina sign. I care about how it played out on television. That said, most media outlets may not make hay out of it. I hope that is so.

True, we're not talking Hitler, or droves of voters, here. But we might be talking about the invasion of Syria vs. not invading. And, presumably Code Pink would want to support the guy who will not listen to McCain on foreign policy?

The election is within a single digit, according to an average of national polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

There are smart ways to protest in favor of choice. Using the Ryan kids as a prop, was not among them.

Edited to add, thank you for your thoughtful post.

Good night.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #69)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 04:07 AM

72. Sorry, I forgot it wasn't his kids feelings that was the focus, you're right.

it's being seen using the kids. But with all the spitting, and name-calling, and shoe- and word-throwing going on the past few years, maybe it doesn't stand out so bad.

But we all have things we would do different if we were king or queen, eh

I am much more concerned about the candidates, they set the tone. Obama at Iowa -

"Obama's Campaign Speech at Iowa State University ... And the truth is you've got more at stake in this election than just about anybody"

It was good, it was impassioned, it exhorted them to get out and vote. I'm sure his advisers were pleased.

But it doesn't speak to the 50 year old with a family and a mortgage (10-15 million still in trouble, more every day) laid off in 2009 and still not employed full-time and may not be before early Social Security, while Paul Ryan and his snake-oil-peddling generalities were focused like a laser on that guy. It didn't speak to the widow who is today on a fixed income budget, who Ryan is telling "Nothing will change for you" - even though you and I and half the country knows she will face an additional $6500 a year in potential charges for pills - Paul Ryan said come to our side if things are not working for you. (We know he means "Come to our side, and die". But again, with no details he can start to pull people into his web).

Sure, the students have a rough road ahead. We all do. Some have advantages that older folks don't, That little old woman down the street hasn't got anything to fall back on, and lives a much more precarious life.

Though I can understand the thinking, and who the party thinks it can win with, I wish he had given a speech that told them they needed to stand with each other, with their friends and neighbors, with the old folks, the hungry, and those with low-income, that if we don't ALL do better, nobody will, and that we ALL need to help each other vote, whether it means volunteering to drive someone to get a license, or watching their dog so they can mark a ballot.

But that's not this campaign, else we might be hearing about the increase in poverty that is occurring and that we cannot let it stand, regardless of party. But probably not a key demographic there either.

I hope his advisers are correct, for all of us.

Good night, mzmolly.

(Quick edit - And they MAY have a point. My wife's mother lives with us, 91 years old, likes to watch Ice Road Truckers. She marks her own ballot. I asked why she voted for Obama. She said she started voting Democratic in Oklahoma where she grew up, and always has. So I suspect they know how many seniors they can count on, if they are allowed to vote))

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:06 AM

75. The kids have heard their father say mean

and hateful things about women and the President all the time.

The "parents"should have left them with the babysitter if their little ears could not hear their father attack the President and women on TV.

Their "mother" should have told her husband many times that she respects the rights of women and he needs to shut up. If she told
him it didn't work.

The children were attending an event of their lifetime to let America understand that they are a " perfect "family.
It was an event for Adults!!!

End of discussion.





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Response to kas125 (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:43 AM

50. Gee. It's funny they stopped in front of the kids

and not Ryan then, huh?

Obviously the "can't say it, don't legislate it" shit implies that some ARE uncomfortable with the word, no? So, why the brilliant assumption that it was politically smart to target (stop in front of and pause until escorted out) Ryan's kids?

Again, my question is with the political wisdom of the stunt. Not the morality of the word vagina.

Why do you think the move, targeting Ryan's kids, will win over undecided voters? Please share with me the strategy behind the move? What is the political win, here?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:34 AM

45. You should really love this video - Take Your Vagina to the RNC

&list=UUSTEGsYwuvPpwjtIufg7gzA&index=3&feature=plcp

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Response to kas125 (Reply #45)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:39 AM

48. I'm neutral on

the video.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:04 AM

40. The event was not for children

I'm sure they heard their daddy say and do many evil things.

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Response to goclark (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:26 AM

43. Obviously Code Pink knew they were children

when they stood directly in front of them, with the sign in question?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:36 AM

46. and again, so what if there were children there? Why do you think children

shouldn't see the sign? You say you don't object to kids seeing or learning the word, but yet, here you are again, complaining that it was shown in front of the children. You really aren't making any sense when you keep contradicting yourself.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #46)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:38 AM

47. I've made myself abundantly

clear.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #47)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:50 AM

54. Well, yeah, actually you have. And it's not a pretty sight.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #54)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:07 AM

59. Would you like to know what also isn't a pretty sight?

(Politically speaking of course) ... The look on the Ryan children's faces when the CP protesters stopped with the 'can't say it signs' in front of them.

At this point, I feel CP is more interested in garnering attention, of any kind, than helping Obama win.

From the words of my young daughter "they're making themselves look more stupid than the Republicans." Yep.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #59)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:16 AM

62. Helping Obama win??? The purpose for CodePink is NOT to help Obama win, it's to bring

attention to the things most people don't know about like murdering people with drones. Or Ryan and Akin working together and believing the same thing about controlling women's bodies. And bringing our kids, including my nephew, home. And stopping our country from starting wars that we don't need to be in. You obviously know absolutely nothing about CodePink.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #62)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:31 AM

65. "Most of us do want Obama to win..." ~ Kas125

Regardless, it's obvious that your purpose is not to help Obama win.

I said above that I think you're harming what should be the collective cause, with stunts like I noted. I also stated that I feel CP is more interested in attention, than helping the President win re-election. Thanks for confirming that I was right. As such, my statement about political ignorance shouldn't bother you. After all, helping Democrats win, is not on the CP agenda, right? Nor, is being politically astute.



That said, I'm generally thankful for your activism. I realize you're not being advised politically. And, overall I like the vagina meme. You can't effect change, without garnering attention.

Peace

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #65)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:42 AM

67. Lol. Okay, I have dying person to care for so I'm not at the RNC this time and I'm

utterly exhausted so I'm going to bed. You just go on and continue to be "politically astute" and we'll continue to do what we do. Goodnight.

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Response to kas125 (Reply #67)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 03:03 AM

70. Please keep in mind

this election may partly be about invading Syria and Iran, vs. not doing so. As such, I hope that Code Pink, will think about who wins the Presidency in 2012, and how they can help vs. harm?

I'm sorry about your ill friend or family member.

Take care.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #47)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 06:16 AM

74. As mud. nt

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #74)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:53 PM

78. There are people here

who agree with me, in another thread. So, apparently some get the idea of good vs. bad politics.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #78)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 05:55 PM

80. Being ashamed of anatomy...

or rejecting open discussion of general science is not politics. It's just sad.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #80)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:09 PM

85. I see.

I have to approve of vagina signs being shoved in the faces of children, in order to support open scientific discussion and/or not being ashamed of my anatomy. Gotcha.




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Response to mzmolly (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:30 AM

76. My daughters are 7 and 8, close to the age of the Ryan kids.

They know the word vagina. Trust me. They ask how babies are made and they pretty much know now. Vagina is not a dirty word.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #76)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:52 PM

77. Again, that's not my

point.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 06:15 PM

81. Courageous Code Pink, as usual... and also...

as usual, a couple of persistent Code Pink haters are here to beat the thread to absolute death. For hours and hours. With the most penny-ante, ludicrous objections (omg! words! pointed! at children! in! my! imagination! halp!). You'd think it was official talking points. (Of course, most people here are all for this action, because it's against RNC. The rabid reactions are really going to come if Code Pink pulls the same stunt in Charlotte, against the drone war.)

Code Pink are always out there on the front lines, putting themselves on the line for the right causes, not judging what's right and wrong according to fearful go-to-sleep centrist hypocrisy, always making good trouble. Hooray!

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #81)

Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:11 PM

86. "Courageous?"

Code Pink is supposedly opposed to war. Helping McCain win with ignorant stunts, involving attempting to shock children on live TV, is not opposing war. Quite the opposite.

I'm as left as it gets. Which is why I don't want to help a future "President Romney" win. ..

Clue - one can be a leftist and politically thoughtful at the same time.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #86)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:52 PM

88. What an embarrassing obsession you have.

Weeks later, can you look at all the ridiculous comments you spread around on this thread and see how this protest did not have anything like the effects you persistently fantasized?

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #88)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 10:17 PM

89. Thank goodness

no one in the media ran with the ignorance on display, and CP remains largely irrelevant.

BTW, I'm not the one responding to a thread a week later, while deeming others obsessed.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #89)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 06:13 AM

90. I had not logged in during this time and didn't see...

that you had also dumped one of your "responses" on my post. It took me a minute to recall what this even was.

The display you put on in this thread - the bullying, the irrationality, the use of extreme rhetoric without any relevance whatsoever, the assault on every single other post with your nonsense - speaks for itself.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #90)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 02:12 PM

91. .

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #91)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:43 PM

105. Yay Code Pink! Let's remember their guts & integrity!

(Is that you in the process of inventing complaints against real activists, like Code Pink?)

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #105)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:47 PM

106. .

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #106)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:57 PM

107. Yaaaaay!!!

Thanks for your many kicks to a fine OP. Lots of people probably missed it until now.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #107)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:03 PM

108. My pleasure. You missed various threads

where other DU-ers took issue with CP's tactics. I'll add a kick to point that out, as well.

I'm not ashamed of wanting to win the next election. And/or, for calling out ignorant liberal tactics when I see them. So, feel free to kick this thread as often as you like.

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