Wed Aug 29, 2012, 06:37 PM
dipsydoodle (32,617 posts)
Ecuador upbeat about deal to end Assange standoff
Source: Reuters
(Reuters) - Talks have resumed between Ecuador and Britain over the fate of WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange, and Ecuador's government said on Wednesday it was optimistic of a deal that would prevent him being extradited to the United States. > "I'm convinced we'll find a way out ... I'm hopeful because the global mood that the Julian Assange case is generating will help us to find a way out," Ecuador's Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino told Reuters in an interview in Quito, confirming talks resumed in London on Wednesday. > Patino told Reuters he was optimistic that Britain would agree to compromise on Ecuador's demand that Assange be given written guarantees he would not be extradited from Sweden to any third country. > "The option of the guarantees is possibly more feasible ... We should get clear, written guarantees from the countries with which we're negotiating." Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/08/29/uk-wikileaks-assange-ecuador-idUKBRE87S15N20120829
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| dipsydoodle | Aug 2012 | OP | |
| JDPriestly | Aug 2012 | #1 | |
| randome | Aug 2012 | #3 | |
| gmpierce | Aug 2012 | #7 | |
| DJ13 | Aug 2012 | #2 | |
| randome | Aug 2012 | #4 | |
| tama | Aug 2012 | #5 | |
| snot | Aug 2012 | #15 | |
| treestar | Aug 2012 | #21 | |
| grantcart | Aug 2012 | #6 | |
| msanthrope | Aug 2012 | #10 | |
| grantcart | Aug 2012 | #12 | |
| randome | Aug 2012 | #13 | |
| msanthrope | Aug 2012 | #14 | |
| riderinthestorm | Aug 2012 | #17 | |
| msanthrope | Aug 2012 | #20 | |
| struggle4progress | Aug 2012 | #8 | |
| struggle4progress | Aug 2012 | #9 | |
| msanthrope | Aug 2012 | #11 | |
| snot | Aug 2012 | #16 | |
| iemitsu | Aug 2012 | #18 | |
| msanthrope | Aug 2012 | #19 | |
| iemitsu | Aug 2012 | #22 |
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:39 PM
JDPriestly (37,753 posts)
1. In a case like this, a government can make an agreement, but will still be free to violate
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that agreement.
This could be very risky for Assange if, in fact, Sweden wants to extradite him to the US. To prepare an agreement that would bind the Swedish, the British and perhaps also the U.S., to say nothing of some interloper third country or some individual seeking a bounty would be difficult. Perhaps Sweden will agree to hold its inquiry in the Ecuadorian embassy in the UK or allow a British court to hold the inquiry following Swedish law. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #1)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:51 PM
randome (12,660 posts)
3. But if Sweden wants to arrest him, then what?
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He can just say, "No thanks." And that's the end of it? That's why Sweden conducting law enforcement operations in Britain does not help.
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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #1)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 08:31 PM
gmpierce (97 posts)
7. of course --
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With just a little inspiration from outside sources, Brittain and Sweden will guarantee Assange's freedom, as long as the streams shall flow, as long as the wind shall blow, as long as the grass shall grow.
Isn't that the traditional formula? |
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:49 PM
DJ13 (21,340 posts)
2. No extradition to the US
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So Sweden extradites him to Australia, who then extradites him to the US?
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Response to DJ13 (Reply #2)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:53 PM
randome (12,660 posts)
4. What's your solution, then?
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Every country on the planet needs to give him a 'get out of jail free' card?
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Response to randome (Reply #4)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 08:26 PM
tama (9,137 posts)
5. Umm...
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How about every country stops playing Monopoly?
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Response to DJ13 (Reply #2)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:38 AM
treestar (40,475 posts)
21. To the Ecuadorians, did he make a case against Australia?
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Seems he could always go there.
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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 08:30 PM
grantcart (38,741 posts)
6. And yet there are learned folks here saying that Assange and the Ecuadoreans cannot negotiate.
Response to grantcart (Reply #6)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 08:51 PM
msanthrope (16,503 posts)
10. No. I said that Assange, as a fugitive, has no rights to negotiation. And he doesn't. If he did,
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he'd be in a court right now, seeking enforcement of said right.
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Response to msanthrope (Reply #10)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:19 PM
grantcart (38,741 posts)
12. If he didn't he would be sitting in a London jail right now.
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As it is as long as the Ecuadorians support provide diplomatic support on their soveriegn soil he is in a position to negotiate, point for point exactly the same set of circumstances that Chinese fugitive Chen Guangcheng employed when he was on the soveriegn soil of the US Embassy. As long as Ecuador provides asylum they will need to negotiate with him. As in the Chen Guangcheng case, the embassy and the fugitive appear to be on exactly the same page. Don't let these facts and the on point precedent of just a few months ago deter you from doggedly not understanding the legal basis of the soveriegnty of foreign embassies. |
Response to grantcart (Reply #12)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:30 PM
randome (12,660 posts)
13. I believe saying that someone has no legal right to do something...
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...is not the same as saying he can't try to do it anyways.
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Response to grantcart (Reply #12)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:05 PM
msanthrope (16,503 posts)
14. Why do you keep comparing Chen to a fugitive, alleged rapist? Negotiate?
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There's no evidence that the UK is negotiating, no matter what Correa's government tries to say.
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Response to msanthrope (Reply #14)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:38 PM
riderinthestorm (13,166 posts)
17. Chen's crimes were "‘intentional destruction of property’ and ‘gathering crowds to obstruct traffic’
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But we know his real "crimes" were exposing China's ruthless family planning policies.
You really don't see any parallels between potentially bogus "state" charges and Wikileaks' international embarrassing exposure? In fact, we agree that there's no evidence that the UK is negotiating but please don't mischaracterize the Chen situation...there's a lot of similarities. |
Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #17)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:34 AM
msanthrope (16,503 posts)
20. And comparing those charges to rape helps Mr. Assange how? nt
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 08:42 PM
struggle4progress (71,480 posts)
8. Mr. Moreno, one of the few paraplegic political leaders of the world, was in London ...
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for the launching of the Paralympic Games ... Wednesday.
According to ... the Foreign Office, the two leaders discussed Vice-President Moreno’s work on the “Ecuador without Barriers” program which provides a package of support for people with a disability ... in Ecuador, and the importance of the Paralympic Games in raising awareness of the rights of people with disabilities. ”Foreign Secretary Hague thanked Vice-President Moreno for travelling to London for the Paralympic Games and asked the Vice-President to pass on his congratulations to the two Ecuadorian Paralympians who will be competing in swimming and weightlifting”, added the release. Further on the release says that “they also discussed the situation regarding Mr Julian Assange’s presence in the Embassy of Ecuador in London. They confirmed the UK and Ecuador’s commitment to dialogue to find a diplomatic solution to the matter” ... Foreign Office says Ecuador and UK have resume dialogue on the Assange case Ecuador and the UK have confirmed the resumption of talks on the Assange case following the meeting of Ecuadorean Vice president Lenin Boltaire Moreno and Foreign Secretary William Hague at the Foreign Office on Wednesday. Wednesday, August 29th 2012 - 21:35 UTC http://en.mercopress.com/2012/08/29/foreign-office-says-ecuador-and-uk-have-resume-dialogue-on-the-assange-case |
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 08:45 PM
struggle4progress (71,480 posts)
9. ... The vice president, Patino said, was merely accepting a “friendly invitation” from Hague.
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“He’s going to listen to what he has to say, but no more, because it’s not the responsibility of the vice president to carry out these kind of negotiations” ...
Ecuador upbeat about deal to end Assange standoff Published On: Wed, Aug 29th, 2012 http://updatednews.ca/2012/08/29/ecuador-upbeat-about-deal-to-end-assange-standoff/ |
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:09 PM
msanthrope (16,503 posts)
11. Interesting article on the economic motivations of Correa to settle this...
Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:27 PM
snot (8,035 posts)
16. Hmm, the Council of the Americas and the TPP; interesting . . .
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kinda shows their hand, doesn't it.
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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:48 PM
iemitsu (1,783 posts)
18. misanthrope, the article you linked to is interesting
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and suggests that the US is hoping to get its hands on assange.
if they were not they would not be attempting to punish the equadorians the way this article suggests. |
Response to iemitsu (Reply #18)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:31 AM
msanthrope (16,503 posts)
19. Actually, the implication is that Correa got caught negotiating with Iran-and thereby
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Last edited Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:32 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) is raising the Assange issue as an effective cover to explain to his citizens why Ecuador is about to undergo serious financial difficulties as their ratings devalue. Correa isn't stupid....he's got to cover support for Iran and Syria somehow, and the US is a great target. The US doesn't need Assange, and I seriously doubt they will bother with him.
On edit....you've speller my name incorrectly. |
Response to msanthrope (Reply #19)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:29 AM
iemitsu (1,783 posts)

