Occupy Oakland plans more antipolice rallies

[FreakinDJ]

Carolyn Jones,Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writers

Tensions between Oakland police and Occupy protesters escalated Sunday, a day after an antipolice rally downtown turned violent and resulted in six arrests.

Protesters pledged to hold weekly demonstrations against the police, who they say have been overzealous in enforcing no-lodging, trespassing and other laws to break up Occupy encampments.

"The solution is very obvious. All (Mayor Jean Quan) has to do is stop enforcing these laws," said Occupy Oakland activist Phil Horne. "If they set reasonable rules, we'll abide by them."

Clashes with police have been a hallmark of Occupy Oakland since October, when police made their initial clearance of a camp in front of City Hall that had become a gathering spot for economic injustice protests modeled on Occupy Wall Street.



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[lunatica]

1. It's an abuse of their civil rights. The laws need to go for that reason.

I imagine many arrestees will be taking it to court, which makes sense.

[randome]

3. Civil rights. Right.

Do you have the 'right' to start living on, say, public school property?

There is a reason we have camp grounds in public parks.

Now if Occupy Oakland wants to hold a protest, I'm all for them.

[lunatica]

16. That's what they're doing. Protesting

Knowing full well it will get them arrested. Perhaps you're too busy finding fault with what everyone says to make the connection I was making regarding their Constitutional right to demand redress.

You just never give up in your negative opinions about OWS do you?

[randome]

17. Most people would not agree that 'protest' equals 'setting up tents on public space'.

By trying to take over public space for their own use, OWS set up an inevitable conflict that didn't need to occur.

And, as usual, when two large groups have disparate goals, over-reaction occurred.

[FreakinDJ]

4. Here is the video - judge for yourself

No doubt tempers are flaring on both sides of the line - but to me the police acted out inappropriately more often causing the confrontations

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

2. Occupy Oakland is the black sheep of the Occupy Movement.

"The solution is very obvious. All (Mayor Jean Quan) has to do is stop enforcing these laws," said Occupy Oakland activist Phil Horne.

Actually, Mr. Horne's statement makes it obvious why Occupy Oakland has experienced far more encounters with law enforcement than any of the other Occupy protesters.

[DocMac]

5. What laws are these people being charged for?

Walking in the street, standing on a sidewalk, failure to disperse, or some other ridiculus misdemeanor?

The very sight of police showing up in riot gear, waving clubs, and using them on people for minor violations, doesn't exactly allow me much sympothy for the police.

The police better think about the whole picture before the weather improves.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

14. "The police better think about the whole picture before the weather improves."

Fortunately, the Occupy Movement has for the most part, been governed by individuals who possess quite a bit more savoir-faire, than you exhibit.

To be successful, a positive public image must be maintained at all costs; and that includes enduring the misconduct of law enforcement officials. Your childish declaration regarding what The police better think about indicates that you are unable to see the trap that has been set for you.

THIS IMAGE WILL WIN FAR MORE SUPPORT


THAN THIS ONE WILL

[DocMac]

18. Did you enjoy typing that personal attack on me?

Perhaps you can advise the Occupy participants how better to be beat and pepper sprayed to further advance their cause? Tossing about french words does not impress me, maybe they work on cops.

I could explain my post in more detail, but you were never interested to start with.

Have a nice day and save the reply, as i'm not interested.

[hack89]

6. "If they really want to see some changes, they need to get their ass out and vote."

not feeling the love there.

[hack89]

7. This paragraph highlights the problem with OWS in a nutshell:

Occupiers don't plan to participate in the forum because they distrust city organizations, Yassin said. In addition, they don't support any Occupy-related discussions between city officials and members of the Interfaith Council, like the one that occurred Thursday which city staff touted as a productive step toward allowing ongoing demonstrations.

bunch of spoiled kids - not willing to play nicely with others. Are they serious about bringing about change or not?

[FreakinDJ]

9. The Interfaith Council are politicians - Of Course

The four representatives of the Interfaith Council, including former Councilman Wilson Riles, met with city staffers

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[hack89]

10. Politicians are not going to just disappear

Who else is OWS going to talk to?

[FreakinDJ]

11. They are doing a better job of speaking to the average American then the GOP Candidates are

[hack89]

12. Is that why the Oakland mayor and the police are buckling from the huge voter backlash?

oh ..... wait. Never mind.

[endcorporatecontrol]

19. Not silly kids

The occupiers unwillingness to not engage local institutional organizations is understandable. Most of these city organizations are populated by, and controlled by people with similar interests as the corporate power holders the occupiers are protesting against.

That said, it is very important to occupy these institutions, we need to make them ours. If something is being talked about about occupy, we need to have our own representatives there.

[randome]

20. How are you going to 'occupy' an institution when you don't want to 'engage' it?

By getting thrown off public land? Not sure how that helps.

[endcorporatecontrol]

21. didn't mean don't engage

I didn't mean that they should not engage these organizations. I actually think it is nesesary to. I was just explaining the very real reasons why they do not trust them.

[hack89]

24. How do you "occupy" these institutions?

does that mean running OWS endorsed candidates in elections?

[barbtries]

8. common sense not a hallmark of TPTB

re: "The solution is very obvious. All (Mayor Jean Quan) has to do is stop enforcing these laws," said Occupy Oakland activist Phil Horne. "If they set reasonable rules, we'll abide by them."

[hack89]

13. "carrying "F- the police" banners..."

now that's a move guaranteed to broaden the movement.

[endcorporatecontrol]

22. not great

While many of us may feal that way. Carrying a sign like that is idiotic. Go ahead and give Fox news a nece clip to play whenever they talk about the movement.

[loyalsister]

15. I hope the smarter, more credible occupiers disown this nonsense

Calling the police out for misconduct is legitimate. But, changing the entire conversation to a rebellion against legal authority is totally counterproductive.

[endcorporatecontrol]

23. very very counterproductive