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Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:30 PM

Rep. Steve King: Iíve Never Heard Of A Girl Getting Pregnant From Statutory Rape Or Incest

Source: TPM

Rep. Steve King, one of the most staunchly conservative members of the House, was one of the few Republicans who did not strongly condemn Rep. Todd Akin Monday for his remarks regarding pregnancy and rape. King also signaled why ó he might agree with parts of Akinís assertion.

King told an Iowa reporter heís never heard of a child getting pregnant from statutory rape or incest.

ďWell I just havenít heard of that being a circumstance thatís been brought to me in any personal way,Ē King told KMEG-TV Monday, ďand Iíd be open to discussion about that subject matter.Ē

A Democratic source flagged Kingís praise of Akin in the KMEG interview to TPM. But potentially more controversial for King is his suggestion that pregnancies from statutory rape or incest donít exist or happen rarely. A 1996 review by the Guttmacher Institute found ďat least half of all babies born to minor women are fathered by adult men.Ē

Read more: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/steve-king-statutory-rape.php?ref=fpb

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:33 PM

1. Lemme tell you about how a stork brings a baby to a house...

I saw it on a cartoon one time, right after that historical documentary called "The Flintstones". I wanted a pet dinosaur like Dino, but my parents wouldn't oblige...

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:34 PM

2. Wow - all the Repubbies want to jump into the cesspool

Reckon they feel at home there...

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:34 PM

3. The Repugs are doubling down!

If they want to make this election about whether rape victims have magical powers instead of the economy, fine by me.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:35 PM

4. Sounds like his daughters have been lucky so far.

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Response to IggleDoer (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:43 PM

8. Snort.

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Response to IggleDoer (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:38 PM

64. Maybe he should keep checking within his family. Just because nobody told him doesn't mean

 

it didn't happen.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:37 PM

5. he's an attention hound fanning flames on purpose imho

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:38 PM

6. personally

Lots of people don't know anything abut dumb American politicians either.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:39 PM

7. Of course, Rep. King

strictly limits his exposure to actual living, breathing women, seeing as they're icky and all. So I'm not surprised that he hasn't heard of this.

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Response to Lindsay (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:03 PM

93. That's because

actual living, breathing women have......

VAGINAS!!!

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:46 PM

9. i guess he never heard of a shot gun wedding!

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:47 PM

10. Just WOW!

I keep reading this disgusting bile from these Rethug douche nozzles day in and day out on every subject under discussion in this election and I really can't for the life of me understand why the bottom doesn't just fall out on these ass hats!?!? This is really the limit...their junk science posits that when a lady has an orgasm there is an "upsuck" (their term) that sucks the sperm into the egg. So, follow me now, if there is no orgasm... no upsuck. If you are raped and become pregnant it must be a result of your having an orgasm and therefore... YOU ENJOYED IT!
Hence all of the push to change the rape of terminology to stratify the degree of violation: Liked it and got pregnant (BAD Jezebel you deserve to rot in hell with your innocent sent from God angel baby)...kind of liked it (SLUT)... hated it (LYING SLUT)... meh(WE KNEW IT!)
RAPE IS VIOLATION!!!!!!!!!!!
All of the left comeback on this issue has been way too soft on these bastards. WHEN WILL THE RACHELS AND EDS take the gloves off and tell it like it is? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:23 PM

59. "This is really the limit...."

I don't think we'll ever see the bottom of their stupidity. It's like a bottomless pit and infinite. But there will be a limit to the American public's tolerance of this ignorance. We haven't reached that point yet, but it's getting close. It's like the Republicans are actively seeking their slide into irrelevance. How low can they go? I don't think there is a limit on that!!

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Response to Harry Monroe (Reply #59)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:29 PM

104. It's not stupidity, it's hatred

Misogyny, more correctly put in this case.

The stupidity is when the justification is necessary- they prefer to do it with a stake or a noose and a "Because we told you so."

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:48 PM

11. Double Down

If someone had told me yesterday that another elected official would double-down on Akin's remarks, I would have called them foolish.

This is frightening.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:49 PM

12. You know NOTHING--Yet you want to legislate for all women!

This is what chaps my hide (and uterus). These ignorant, misogynists do not know how a woman's body works. They are also unaware of the realities of pregnancy. Yet, they want to make laws about women's bodies and about women and their pregnancies.

Doesn't that seem just a little bit ridiculous and disturbing to anyone else?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:58 PM

17. + a brazillion.

Damn we women put up with some shit. It never fails to astound me what we let govern us. VOTE, women, vote! Vote them out, vote people, male and female, who bother to know who we are and what we need from them, in.

Get mad. And then vote.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:58 PM

51. In contrast with what Obama said at the Press Conference Yesterday:

THE PRESIDENT:

Well, let me, first of all, say the views expressed
were offensive. Rape is rape. And the idea that we should be parsing and qualifying and slicing what types of rape weíre talking about doesnít make sense to the American people and certainly doesnít make sense to me.

So what I think these comments do underscore is why we shouldnít have a bunch of politicians, a majority of whom are men, making health care decisions on behalf of women.

And so, although these particular comments have led Governor Romney and other Republicans to distance themselves, I think the underlying notion that we should be making decisions on behalf of women for their health care decisions -- or qualifying forcible rape versus non-forcible rape -- I think those are broader issues, and that is a significant difference in approach between me and the other party.

But I donít think that they would agree with the Senator from Missouri in terms of his statement, which was way out there.

Except today they are coming out of the woodwork and doubling down in support...

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Response to freshwest (Reply #51)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:12 PM

108. He could have skipped the last sentence.

Romney may disagree, but Ryan has been strangely silent...

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:15 PM

54. Yeah--rather like celibate priests deciding issues concerning women's reproductive

healthcare needs.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:10 PM

107. No to "ridiculous", yes to "disturbing".

I would add "frightening", because it's very real. As long as Republicans control the House, we will keep seeing these frightening bills, and if we have a Republican president, they are going to pass.

Not ridiculous. Very frightening.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:49 PM

13. Oh, then that makes it okay.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:50 PM

14. And these are the same ones who rail against unwed teen pregnancies

and yet refuse to make that leap of a connection as to one of the causes.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:20 PM

102. Well those unwed teens wouldn't be getting preggers if they

would just stop having illicit ORGASMS. It's their own fault.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:52 PM

15. Good lord, who the hell votes

for these biologically ignorant a**holes AND they put their ignorance on parade, They are proud of it!

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:04 PM

18. Steve King is from my state of Iowa...

...and he lives in the Northwest corner, which is an arch-conservative bastion. The middle of the state is pretty liberal and we have large pockets of liberals, particularly in the larger cities.

Gay marriage is legal there. I feel compelled to demonstrate that we have a very enlightened population, and that not all of us are like the nut job fool Steve King.

He is an embarrassment to our state, but I think his chances of being voted out are slim.

Seriously, his words are quite telling. He's playing to his nutjob base. How sick is that?

"Hey! Yooo hooo! Look at me! I'm a stupid radical politician who wants to control the little ladies of America TOOOO! Why does Akin get all of the glory?!"

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:49 PM

45. I've only had a pic in my head of Iowans as a sane group of folks

particularly because of the items you have listed above. I don't know anyone who thinks Iowans are like this guy.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:47 PM

65. Iowa has given us Tom Harkin

no need to apologize for ANY of the bad stuff.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:27 PM

84. I hope like hell this may be the straw that breaks his campaign. Go Christie!

Hope she beats the crap out of him with it!

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:53 PM

16. I know there is a big difference between the two ...


But it seems like they are doing the same thing as they have done with the whole global warming thing. Hey if you don't want to believe what everyone else might say, just come up with what you want.

This time in a week or so we will find out how many knuckle-dragger's there are. I don't think as much as global warming nay-sayers. Because every one wants to talk about the weather, but most folks don't really want to talk about rape.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:06 PM

19. Incredible

 

Just when you think they cant get any worse and just when you think the average person will catch on, there is this..What will it take to wake up these idiots?

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Response to Vietnameravet (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:42 PM

40. Welcome to DU VEV! Can you believe this craziness?

These guys are completely mad.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:06 PM

20. IA-4 is in play (currently a "Lean Republican" district); Christie Vilsack can use help

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:08 PM

21. This is also a flat out LIE..he himself has used that scenario!

He used the scenario of a 13 yr getting raped (and being kidnapped, taken across state lines and forced to get an abortion) as a defense to allow dog fighting!

So what..he uses a scenario he has never heard of happening before to defend his stance on dog fighting? Whahha?




SR

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Response to Sylvarose (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:12 PM

22. I don't know...he sounds pretty compelling...

...and intelligent speaking with that beautiful eagle in the background. I can't help but be hypnotized by his patriotism and love of our freedom, as represented by that beautiful eagle.

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Response to Sylvarose (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:43 PM

41. That's what they do...LIE. That's all they know how to do

That and their terrible memories go hand in hand.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:12 PM

23. Wow, this is what represents the morons of the world.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:13 PM

24. None personally, so when all his friends tell him about the sex they have with their daughters

there has been, as they say, no issue.

Personal experience.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:15 PM

25. Steve King DEFENDS Akin as a strong Christian man!!

Look at this article. Unbelievable. Why does this wacknut have to be from my state?

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) bucked others in his party on Tuesday, defending Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) as a "strong Christian man with a wonderful family."

Akin has faced a firestorm of criticism from fellow Republicans who have ripped his recent comments that women rarely get pregnant from "legitimate rape," with a number of them including Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus and National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (R-Texas) strongly suggesting Akin should drop out of the race for Missouri's Senate seat. Akin has so far refused to exit the race.

But King, a close friend and ally of Akin's who campaigned for him during the primary, stood by Akin's side. He told a local television station that he didn't want to give his thoughts on Akin's specific remark because he hadn't heard it in context, but attacked those who were blasting Akin as focused on "petty personal attacks."

Video of King at link--***Warning: Please have industrial-sized vomit bag present before clicking***
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/244553-steve-king-defends-todd-akin-as-a-qstrong-christian-manq

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:16 PM

26. How logical! America, your leaders are on display!

Just because King Moron didn't see it, it just doesn't happen. Progressives on TV are saying that there were 32,000 pregnancies due to rape each year--rather frequent, don't you think?

This abstract gives the 32,000 number:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248

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Response to Democrats_win (Reply #26)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:46 PM

43. There you go bringing SCIENCE into things!

Republicans have their own brand of magical thinking they call science. Besides, that is gubmint-funded science...the worst kind for their ilk's belief system.

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Response to Democrats_win (Reply #26)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:20 PM

57. All 32,000 of those women enjoyed it and had orgasms - that's why they got pregnant.



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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #57)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:33 PM

85. Very much the medieval view of this

Good article in the Guardian on some of the history of that:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h-word/2012/aug/20/legitimate-rape-medieval-medical-concept

Another good piece on this here (which is where I found the link to the Guardian article):
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-akin-rape-20120820,0,5778696.story

One wonders which doctors Akin has been consulting; apparently, it's the kind who wear cowls on their heads and spend most of their time swirling urine samples around in a flask in search of black bile and other ill humors. Deep in the Middle Ages, it was thought that women could only conceive if they had an orgasm -- thus, it followed that if a woman enjoyed the intercourse, she couldn't possibly have been raped. Vanessa Heggie in The Guardian traced the legal theory generated by this philosphy back to 13th century England and a very early legal text called "Fleta," which states, "If, however, the woman should have conceived in the time alleged in the appeal, it abates, for without a woman's consent she could not conceive."

The pro-life set apparently has a more modern take on this idea, but its scientific illegitimacy -- and the stunning degree to which it denigrates women and rape victims -- remain pretty obvious. Nonetheless, Akin will probably survive the controversy. But that's still not what's scary about this story.

Akin has retracted his statement via Tweet, which won't stop his opponent, incumbent Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, from continuing to hammer him for it. Yet McCaskill is up against deep-seated voter anger at incumbents, and until recently Akin was leading her by several percentage points in the polls. His religious conservative backers won't be bothered in the least by his statements on rape, which for them only enhance his anti-abortion credentials. The Missouri race will remain one of the most closely watched Senate contests in the country, and it will likely be close in November.

So what's so scary about Todd Akin? It's that he currently sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, which oversees federal spending on non-defense-related research. This is not the kind of post for someone who thinks pregnancy can be suppressed by women's bodies. He also sits on the Subcommittee on Energy and Environment, which is not the ideal assignment for a guy who thinks that climate change, if it's happening at all, is probably a result of solar flares. This is, of course, the House the tea party built. Unless voters put a stop to this anti-science movement, the Senate could soon go the same way. Now that's a nightmare.




Scary indeed that someone with his views is in a position to create and/or block science and energy policy.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:19 PM

27. Funny - thought he was a Bible believer

Kinda hard to square fundamentalism and the inability to get pregnant from incest.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #27)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:47 PM

44. Yeah, they get real mad when you bring that up.

Most tell me there were other people somewhere. Of course, the Bible doesn't SAY that and if they are fundamentalists, it can't possibly be true.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:20 PM

28. Wow. I know 3 cases personally.

One had an abortion (statutory rape).

Two of them were from incest (one I consider rape). One was a girl in my church who it became known her father was molesting her because she became pregnant. The second was a brother/sister thing (ill-advised, but I don't know enough to figure out if it was rape since they were both minors).

I guess some people live a very sheltered life.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #28)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:40 PM

38. "but I don't know enough to figure out if it was rape since they were both minors"

It was rape.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #38)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:29 PM

111. Statutory, yes.

But you need to put that qualifier in there. Sometimes "statutory rape" is quite consensual. I have heard of a case where it was an interracial relationship between two teenagers, and the parents pressed charges because they didn't like him.

There is an awkwardness to statutory rape. Sixteen year old girls frequently know exactly what they are doing with sixteen year old boys who are acting based on gonads instead of brains. Remember, we develop faster than you...

I ***HATE*** all forms of non-consensual rape, all statutory rape of girls under 16, or statutory rape with a gap of more than 3 years. I hate how girls get taken advantage of, and convinced to have sex so that some guy will pay attention to them, or promise love. It is as though we are wired to be vulnerable. Some of us.

But I also hate girls and women who falsely accuse innocent men of rape. Once is too often. It makes it harder to prosecute criminals, and opens a can of worms to our credibility. I wish women would stop doing it. It is a very selfish act that can have lifelong consequences for an innocent man.

Rape is a very messy issue. I ALWAYS believe the woman, but I know that sometimes I am wrong.

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Response to qwlauren35 (Reply #111)

Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:35 AM

129. Boys can be raped too and be non-consensual "partners" in incest.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:08 AM

122. The secret the kids and their kids live with

Vidor, Texas, which is not as far from nowhere as one might expect, is the national headquarters of the KKK and home to some children born of incest. I know of a few documented in medical records, in some cases when the mothers sneaked away to take sick kids to the doctor. I mention Vidor in particular because it is an easy target for stereotyping. The cases you mentioned are more evidence that children of incest are born everywhere, not just strange places people can't find on a map. King is a bonehead, but he has stirred up questions that people may not want to think about.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:20 PM

29. ???

So what does he believe then, that a female's body knows the age of consent in her state and "blocks the pregnancy" if she's below it?

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Response to drm604 (Reply #29)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:34 PM

37. Well, I would guess that's why they are trying to redefine rape

because they don't want more of their ilk added to the armchair subversive website.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:22 PM

30. Wow, he's talking through his hole, too

and not the one he shoves cake into.

Personally, I hope these right wing ignoranuses (not a typo) keep on talking because every time they open their yaps about the fantasy world they live in, more and more women realize just where the Republican Party is in terms of representing their interests and just how loony it's gotten over the last 30 years.

This is why we desperately need sex education in the schools, taught by school nurses or someone else with actual education in the process. These jokers are so obviously the product of no sex education except what they heard from their equally ignorant teenaged buddies when they were growing up.

The only excuse for the ignorance displayed by Republican men is the fact that their fathers and mothers fought so hard against getting them the information they needed when they needed it, to drown out the male culture nonsense they were getting from other teenagers. Now we're reaping the harvest from that carefully sown ignorance and it's an ugly one.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:24 PM

31. The Magical Mysterious Vagina Can Prevent Pregnancy When it WANTS to

Brought to you by people who believe climate change is a hoax, the earth is 6,000 years old, Jesus had a pet dinosaur and Obama's mother traveled to Kenya 9 months pregnant in August of 1961 to give birth in a grass yurt.

Nothing they say surprises me anymore. SMH

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Response to PossumSqueezins (Reply #31)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:33 PM

36. I mentioned something similar to this on a FB page where the fundies

(all women, in fact) were trying to say this was true. No comments after I mentioned this could be added to a similar list of Republican "science".

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Response to PossumSqueezins (Reply #31)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:14 PM

74. "magical mysterious vagina"

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:27 PM

32. What are the odds of this fucking moron being re-elected?

Honestly. I've never heard such dumb shit spew out of the mouths of one political party in all of my life. And I'm not old. This kind of bullshit annoys me to no end.

*sorry for the language. i'm just beyond furious right now*

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Response to cabot (Reply #32)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:19 PM

77. South

Well in the south were I live the odds are pretty damn good...


I have already had several people defend him in my hearing....

Makes me want to puke!!!!

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Response to janlyn (Reply #77)

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:17 PM

110. He is from IOWA

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