Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:43 PM
kpete (39,116 posts)
Paul Ryan Tells Fox: ‘I Didn’t Know About’ The Letters I Signed Asking For Stimulus Funds
Source: Think Progress
Paul Ryan Tells Fox: ‘I Didn’t Know About’ The Letters I Signed Asking For Stimulus Funds By Igor Volsky on Aug 18, 2012 at 1:32 pm During an interview with Fox News’ Carl Cameron on Saturday, Paul Ryan tried to explain why he denied requesting stimulus funds for a local energy company in 2009 after voting against and demagoguing the Recovery Act. “My office sends tens of thousands of letters to various federal agencies and this goes through what we call a case work system and we treat it as a case work for constituents,” Ryan said: RYAN: I didn’t know about the letters until recently and they were brought to my attention, they were to the case work system and I take full responsibility for that. The point I’m trying to make is stimulus was a failure. Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/18/710751/paul-ryan-tells-fox-i-didnt-know-about-the-letters-i-signed-asking-for-stimulus-funds/
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| kpete | Aug 2012 | OP | |
| Angry Dragon | Aug 2012 | #1 | |
| rucky | Aug 2012 | #43 | |
| Angry Dragon | Aug 2012 | #51 | |
| Gman | Aug 2012 | #2 | |
| FiveGoodMen | Aug 2012 | #12 | |
| Kennah | Aug 2012 | #14 | |
| Kablooie | Aug 2012 | #3 | |
| louis-t | Aug 2012 | #4 | |
| PD Turk | Aug 2012 | #5 | |
| wordpix | Aug 2012 | #11 | |
| Blue_Tires | Aug 2012 | #16 | |
| peace frog | Aug 2012 | #6 | |
| Kalidurga | Aug 2012 | #7 | |
| Politicalboi | Aug 2012 | #8 | |
| jpbollma | Aug 2012 | #9 | |
| Ebadlun | Aug 2012 | #49 | |
| Rosa Luxemburg | Aug 2012 | #10 | |
| Doctor_J | Aug 2012 | #13 | |
| philly_bob | Aug 2012 | #15 | |
| Blue_Tires | Aug 2012 | #19 | |
| tabasco | Aug 2012 | #42 | |
| alfredo | Aug 2012 | #47 | |
| Cali_Democrat | Aug 2012 | #53 | |
| philly_bob | Aug 2012 | #61 | |
| csziggy | Aug 2012 | #62 | |
| bhikkhu | Aug 2012 | #17 | |
| alfredo | Aug 2012 | #48 | |
| WestSeattle2 | Aug 2012 | #18 | |
| jtuck004 | Aug 2012 | #20 | |
| williesgirl | Aug 2012 | #21 | |
| The Last Democrat | Aug 2012 | #22 | |
| DallasNE | Aug 2012 | #23 | |
| DonRedwood | Aug 2012 | #24 | |
| Pachamama | Aug 2012 | #25 | |
| zeemike | Aug 2012 | #26 | |
| tclambert | Aug 2012 | #27 | |
| kestrel91316 | Aug 2012 | #28 | |
| liberal N proud | Aug 2012 | #29 | |
| Jackpine Radical | Aug 2012 | #30 | |
| CountAllVotes | Aug 2012 | #31 | |
| Marr | Aug 2012 | #32 | |
| IggleDoer | Aug 2012 | #33 | |
| madashelltoo | Aug 2012 | #34 | |
| KansDem | Aug 2012 | #35 | |
| madashelltoo | Aug 2012 | #39 | |
| xxqqqzme | Aug 2012 | #36 | |
| CanonRay | Aug 2012 | #37 | |
| SoapBox | Aug 2012 | #38 | |
| underpants | Aug 2012 | #40 | |
| Herlong | Aug 2012 | #41 | |
| SunSeeker | Aug 2012 | #44 | |
| MichiganVote | Aug 2012 | #45 | |
| 6000eliot | Aug 2012 | #46 | |
| HooptieWagon | Aug 2012 | #50 | |
| cr8tvlde | Aug 2012 | #52 | |
| Blue Owl | Aug 2012 | #54 | |
| aint_no_life_nowhere | Aug 2012 | #55 | |
| Enrique | Aug 2012 | #56 | |
| rtracey | Aug 2012 | #57 | |
| GeorgeGist | Aug 2012 | #58 | |
| lonestarnot | Aug 2012 | #59 | |
| SylviaD | Aug 2012 | #60 | |
| thecrow | Aug 2012 | #63 | |
| avebury | Aug 2012 | #64 |
Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 05:59 PM
rucky (35,044 posts)
43. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
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and assume he's incompetent
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Response to rucky (Reply #43)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 09:03 PM
Angry Dragon (24,073 posts)
51. perhaps an incompetent liar
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Last edited Sat Aug 18, 2012, 09:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) his lies are so easy to throw in his face
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:46 PM
Gman (21,195 posts)
2. What? Does he have Radar O'Reilly as his aide or something?
Response to Gman (Reply #2)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:17 PM
FiveGoodMen (13,266 posts)
12. Beat me to it!
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First thing I thought of as well.
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Response to Gman (Reply #2)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:21 PM
Kennah (6,776 posts)
14. Henry Blake was a man who cared about people
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:50 PM
Kablooie (8,941 posts)
3. He's probably telling the truth.
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He didn't know anyone had discovered the letters he signed.
He didn't say that he didn't know what they were when he signed them. Just that he didn't know anyone had found them. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:58 PM
louis-t (12,542 posts)
4. This is a guy you want in a position of power?
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This shows total incompetance.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:09 PM
PD Turk (1,090 posts)
5. Video of Ryan signing papers
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&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Response to PD Turk (Reply #5)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:16 PM
wordpix (12,502 posts)
11. I've gotta watch that movie again, classic!
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:09 PM
peace frog (5,550 posts)
6. What's that stench?
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Oh yeh, Ryan's speaking. Don't step in the BS.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:10 PM
Kalidurga (4,829 posts)
7. New headline "Paul Ryan, doesn't read the chit he signs.'
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I can't believe no one is nailing him on this.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:12 PM
Politicalboi (9,623 posts)
8. He's so Reaganesque
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"I don't recall".
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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #8)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:14 PM
jpbollma (552 posts)
9. So...
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Next question. Would he ask the company to give the funds back?
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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #8)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 08:57 PM
Ebadlun (336 posts)
49. Bit harder to pull off
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when you're only in your early 40s.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:14 PM
Rosa Luxemburg (22,257 posts)
10. Ryan should be called out
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many of the republican voters were suppoerting him because he was against the stimulus
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:19 PM
Doctor_J (26,579 posts)
13. So he was against taking the money, but didn't tell his staff that
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Moron, liar, both?
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:25 PM
philly_bob (1,792 posts)
15. Not a big deal. Entirely possible he didn't know. Concentrate on other Ryan weaknesses. (nt)
Response to philly_bob (Reply #15)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:46 PM
Blue_Tires (31,870 posts)
19. I say bollocks to that
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Too many red state pols got away scot-free with their public grandstanding against the stimulus while their states were struggling, only to beg for it on the sly later...
If Ryan gets to criticize it in his speeches to voters, we get to remind them how he benefitted from it... |
Response to philly_bob (Reply #15)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 05:44 PM
tabasco (18,325 posts)
42. LOL!
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Yes, let's overlook the lying and/or incompetence.
Let's focus on important things. You lost? |
Response to philly_bob (Reply #15)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 08:33 PM
alfredo (46,859 posts)
47. His staff had to trick him into doing something good for his state.
Response to philly_bob (Reply #15)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 09:18 PM
Cali_Democrat (15,106 posts)
53. He didn't know? Who signed the letter then?
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #53)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 01:32 PM
philly_bob (1,792 posts)
61. It's plausible he signed them in a stack of constituent service letters.
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Again, folks, choose your battles.
Ryan is awful. His beliefs are heartless and irrational. But attack those beliefs, not GOTCHA technicalities. I think a stronger case for his hypocrisy can be made by looking at his Bush-era vote for stimulus package. No explaining that away. |
Response to philly_bob (Reply #15)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:12 PM
csziggy (14,413 posts)
62. Sure, let's remind people of how Ryan wholeheartedly supported stimulus
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When it was under President Bush:
VIDEO: Paul Ryan defended stimulus in 2002, when George W. Bush wanted it By Sal Gentile Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:40 AM EDT <SNIP> But in 2002, when then-President Bush was seeking a roughly $120 billion package of tax cuts, tax incentives for business and unemployment benefits to jump-start the economy, Ryan offered a vigorous defense of the plan. “What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed,” Ryan said in video that aired today on Up w/ Chris Hayes. The remarks came during a House debate on the measure on Feb. 14, 2002. Ryan’s comments reveal a strikingly different economic analysis than the one he has become known for in recent years as the “intellectual leader” of the Republican Party and, now, Mitt Romney’s running mate. In 2002, Ryan argued that unemployment would remain at elevated levels even after the economy began to recover, and that aggressive stimulus would be a necessary and effective antidote. “What we're trying to accomplish here is the recognition of the fact that in recessions, unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place,” Ryan said at the time. “We have a lot of laid-off workers, and more layoffs are occurring. And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place.” Ryan’s advocacy of stimulus spending wasn’t limited to Washington, either. When he returned home to face constituents, he used similar language to make the case for the Bush stimulus bill. “You have to spend a little to grow a little,” Ryan told constituents at a town hall in Wisconsin in January 2002, according to the Journal-Times, a local newspaper. “What we're trying to do is stimulate that part of the economy that's on its back." More, including the video of Ryan's remarks: http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/19/13361928-video-paul-ryan-defended-stimulus-in-2002-when-george-w-bush-wanted-it |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:34 PM
bhikkhu (7,749 posts)
17. I'm sure, if elected, he'll be just as clueless
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Half the work of being a republican in office is to maintain a plausible ignorance of the job.
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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #17)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 08:34 PM
alfredo (46,859 posts)
48. Norquist wants a president to sign whatever shit they hand him.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:43 PM
WestSeattle2 (1,259 posts)
18. And Romney pronounced this guy ready to be president if need be. LOL
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:51 PM
jtuck004 (5,225 posts)
20. Awww, now that they're best buds, Ryan borrowed the etch-a-sketch.
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He would have been a lot better off if he just said "Yes, I have sinned, I'm just like many others, but I have seen the error of my ways". Now he just looks like a liar. And if he changes his tune he will look like he is taking pandering lessons from Mi$$. I love how "representing the people" or talking with the neighbors has become "case work for constituents". Is that dehumanizing, or just necessary so one can subordinate it to their fundraising? I wonder how many hundreds of others see us that way? |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:55 PM
williesgirl (3,489 posts)
21. So he signs off on a $21 million request and doesn't read it first! Worse than lying about it.
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He's a jerk and a liar. rec'd
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:01 PM
The Last Democrat (73 posts)
22. I Don't believe that,
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“WE THE PEOPLE” needs someone in this position that doesn’t read what he signs.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:06 PM
DallasNE (3,057 posts)
23. The Overworked Congressman Excuse
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Now Ryan is lying about the lie. How many layers deep will he carry the lying, one wonders. But I will give Ryan this; he has been a quick learner when it comes to lying, and even the lying about the lying. Romney picked well. He has a soulmate.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:16 PM
Pachamama (8,847 posts)
25. Question: Who is a bigger liar - Romney or Ryan???
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Answer: dont know.... They are both big effing liars, hard to know who lies more....
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:16 PM
zeemike (11,082 posts)
26. this kind of concerns me in a different way
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And the question I have is why they think they can boldly lie and get away with it...Rmoney has made a string of them and now Ryan is too...the only reason someone would do that is if they knew it did not matter...that the media would not call them on it or that the results of the election is already known.
I think after the convention we will know if we see the polls getting tighter...that the fix is in....because no one who has rejected Rmoney now will change it because of some well produced convention....or some single issue that Rmoney has raised. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:23 PM
tclambert (5,601 posts)
27. Charles Barkley claimed to have been misquoted in his autobiography.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:28 PM
kestrel91316 (45,673 posts)
28. He's either a self-serving liar or an incompetent boob.
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Which is it, Paul????
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:35 PM
liberal N proud (43,916 posts)
29. If he didn't know about letters HE signed, it shows a huge character flaw
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How could he possibly be qualified to serve the 2nd highest office in the land if he can't recall signing important documents.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:44 PM
Jackpine Radical (36,683 posts)
30. Goddamit, look at the upside here.
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Not being able to recall stuff is an absolute requirement for a Republican politician.
Ryan's got selective amnesia in spades. No wonder they love him. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:45 PM
CountAllVotes (11,923 posts)
31. Gee that is like Ann Rmoney!
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I didn't know I was rich!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:02 PM
Marr (13,929 posts)
32. Oh-- so not a fraud, just incompetent and sloppy. Check.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:02 PM
IggleDoer (997 posts)
33. What else would you expect from a Congressman who slept with a lobbyist?
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:26 PM
madashelltoo (702 posts)
34. What? I did the same thing once.
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I signed four letters requesting $21 million, signed it and mailed it. Didn't get the money though.
Oh, that's right. I forgot. I never did that at all. Sorry. |
Response to madashelltoo (Reply #34)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:31 PM
KansDem (24,500 posts)
35. Could you do it retroactively?
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Write a letter saying you want to retroactively request $21 million. It should work!
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Response to KansDem (Reply #35)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 05:02 PM
madashelltoo (702 posts)
39. Don't encourage me.
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I'm so broke I'm willing to try retroactive.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:36 PM
xxqqqzme (13,458 posts)
36. "...stimulus was a failure..."
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Did the company getting the money fail? Were any jobs created or were the funds denied and the company went out of business?
How is it a failure? |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:45 PM
CanonRay (4,763 posts)
37. Once again: What happened to "personal responsibility"?
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Republicans are 50lbs of bullshit in a 25lb bag.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:49 PM
SoapBox (5,909 posts)
38. What a POS
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Liar.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 05:14 PM
underpants (105,663 posts)
40. The "Stimulus" (a Repub term) was all that kept this country afloat
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The Stimulus worked.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 05:35 PM
Herlong (599 posts)
41. He Didn’t Know He Signed Letters Asking For Stimulus Funds
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Next Obama/Obama PAC ad in five for three two....
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 07:17 PM
SunSeeker (5,334 posts)
44. He means he didn't know we had the letters.
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What a lying sack of liquid crap!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 07:52 PM
MichiganVote (19,074 posts)
45. Uh huh. Sure. Well he'll have 2 go to confession.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 08:03 PM
6000eliot (4,281 posts)
46. Is he too stupid to understand the concept of signing a letter?
Response to 6000eliot (Reply #46)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 08:59 PM
HooptieWagon (6,585 posts)
50. Nope. He's just counting on GOP voters
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being too stupid to recognize the lies.
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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #50)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 09:14 PM
cr8tvlde (1,171 posts)
52. One minor correction ... "too stupid to care about lies."
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And usually the GOP voters don't disappoint.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 09:20 PM
Blue Owl (8,631 posts)
54. I want a VP who'll just sign anything that comes across his desk
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 09:55 PM
aint_no_life_nowhere (18,945 posts)
55. Now that he realizes the "mistake" I expect he'll be returning the funds
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he never intended to request. I'm sure his right wing constituents won't miss the big government help.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 10:11 PM
Enrique (22,853 posts)
56. just like Romney with the SEC Documents
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"our signatures on paper mean nothing, make us your president and vice president."
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 11:48 PM
rtracey (178 posts)
57. What
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You little Eddie Munster look a like. He got caught in a major lie his first few days...you arrogant Ayn Rand follwn jerk.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:18 AM
GeorgeGist (9,765 posts)
58. Point made ...
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he's just as stupid in real life as he is in Congress.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 12:01 PM
lonestarnot (71,149 posts)
59. Yeah, and you're stupid too! Lumphead forgets what century it is. We have the vid. so we'll remind
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you.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 12:44 PM
SylviaD (163 posts)
60. Why are we being so "easy" on Ryan? His views are reprehensible! Highlight them! n/t
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:55 PM
thecrow (4,389 posts)
63. Well, then does he remember praising the Bush** stimulus in 2002?
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Or did he "misspeak"?
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:02 PM
avebury (3,004 posts)
64. My response to both Ryan and Rmoney would be: Don't you read
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anything you sign? If you are that careless then why should anybody vote for you.
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