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kpete

(71,978 posts)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:43 PM Aug 2012

Paul Ryan Tells Fox: ‘I Didn’t Know About’ The Letters I Signed Asking For Stimulus Funds

Source: Think Progress

Paul Ryan Tells Fox: ‘I Didn’t Know About’ The Letters I Signed Asking For Stimulus Funds
By Igor Volsky on Aug 18, 2012 at 1:32 pm

During an interview with Fox News’ Carl Cameron on Saturday, Paul Ryan tried to explain why he denied requesting stimulus funds for a local energy company in 2009 after voting against and demagoguing the Recovery Act. “My office sends tens of thousands of letters to various federal agencies and this goes through what we call a case work system and we treat it as a case work for constituents,” Ryan said:


RYAN: I didn’t know about the letters until recently and they were brought to my attention, they were to the case work system and I take full responsibility for that. The point I’m trying to make is stimulus was a failure.


Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/18/710751/paul-ryan-tells-fox-i-didnt-know-about-the-letters-i-signed-asking-for-stimulus-funds/

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Paul Ryan Tells Fox: ‘I Didn’t Know About’ The Letters I Signed Asking For Stimulus Funds (Original Post) kpete Aug 2012 OP
You Lie Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #1
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt rucky Aug 2012 #43
perhaps an incompetent liar Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #51
What? Does he have Radar O'Reilly as his aide or something? Gman Aug 2012 #2
Beat me to it! FiveGoodMen Aug 2012 #12
Henry Blake was a man who cared about people Kennah Aug 2012 #14
He's probably telling the truth. Kablooie Aug 2012 #3
This is a guy you want in a position of power? louis-t Aug 2012 #4
Video of Ryan signing papers PD Turk Aug 2012 #5
I've gotta watch that movie again, classic! wordpix Aug 2012 #11
brilliant Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #16
What's that stench? peace frog Aug 2012 #6
New headline "Paul Ryan, doesn't read the chit he signs.' Kalidurga Aug 2012 #7
He's so Reaganesque Politicalboi Aug 2012 #8
So... jpbollma Aug 2012 #9
Bit harder to pull off Ebadlun Aug 2012 #49
Ryan should be called out Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #10
So he was against taking the money, but didn't tell his staff that Doctor_J Aug 2012 #13
Not a big deal. Entirely possible he didn't know. Concentrate on other Ryan weaknesses. (nt) philly_bob Aug 2012 #15
I say bollocks to that Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #19
LOL! tabasco Aug 2012 #42
His staff had to trick him into doing something good for his state. alfredo Aug 2012 #47
He didn't know? Who signed the letter then? Cali_Democrat Aug 2012 #53
It's plausible he signed them in a stack of constituent service letters. philly_bob Aug 2012 #61
Sure, let's remind people of how Ryan wholeheartedly supported stimulus csziggy Aug 2012 #62
I'm sure, if elected, he'll be just as clueless bhikkhu Aug 2012 #17
Norquist wants a president to sign whatever shit they hand him. alfredo Aug 2012 #48
And Romney pronounced this guy ready to be president if need be. LOL WestSeattle2 Aug 2012 #18
Awww, now that they're best buds, Ryan borrowed the etch-a-sketch. jtuck004 Aug 2012 #20
So he signs off on a $21 million request and doesn't read it first! Worse than lying about it. williesgirl Aug 2012 #21
I Don't believe that, The Last Democrat Aug 2012 #22
The Overworked Congressman Excuse DallasNE Aug 2012 #23
kr DonRedwood Aug 2012 #24
Question: Who is a bigger liar - Romney or Ryan??? Pachamama Aug 2012 #25
this kind of concerns me in a different way zeemike Aug 2012 #26
Charles Barkley claimed to have been misquoted in his autobiography. tclambert Aug 2012 #27
He's either a self-serving liar or an incompetent boob. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #28
If he didn't know about letters HE signed, it shows a huge character flaw liberal N proud Aug 2012 #29
Goddamit, look at the upside here. Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #30
Gee that is like Ann Rmoney! CountAllVotes Aug 2012 #31
Oh-- so not a fraud, just incompetent and sloppy. Check. Marr Aug 2012 #32
What else would you expect from a Congressman who slept with a lobbyist? IggleDoer Aug 2012 #33
What? I did the same thing once. madashelltoo Aug 2012 #34
Could you do it retroactively? KansDem Aug 2012 #35
Don't encourage me. madashelltoo Aug 2012 #39
"...stimulus was a failure..." xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #36
Once again: What happened to "personal responsibility"? CanonRay Aug 2012 #37
What a POS SoapBox Aug 2012 #38
The "Stimulus" (a Repub term) was all that kept this country afloat underpants Aug 2012 #40
He Didn’t Know He Signed Letters Asking For Stimulus Funds Herlong Aug 2012 #41
He means he didn't know we had the letters. SunSeeker Aug 2012 #44
Uh huh. Sure. Well he'll have 2 go to confession. MichiganVote Aug 2012 #45
Is he too stupid to understand the concept of signing a letter? 6000eliot Aug 2012 #46
Nope. He's just counting on GOP voters HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #50
One minor correction ... "too stupid to care about lies." cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #52
I want a VP who'll just sign anything that comes across his desk Blue Owl Aug 2012 #54
Now that he realizes the "mistake" I expect he'll be returning the funds aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #55
just like Romney with the SEC Documents Enrique Aug 2012 #56
What rtracey Aug 2012 #57
Point made ... GeorgeGist Aug 2012 #58
Yeah, and you're stupid too! Lumphead forgets what century it is. We have the vid. so we'll remind lonestarnot Aug 2012 #59
Why are we being so "easy" on Ryan? His views are reprehensible! Highlight them! n/t SylviaD Aug 2012 #60
Well, then does he remember praising the Bush** stimulus in 2002? thecrow Aug 2012 #63
My response to both Ryan and Rmoney would be: Don't you read avebury Aug 2012 #64

Kablooie

(18,619 posts)
3. He's probably telling the truth.
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:50 PM
Aug 2012

He didn't know anyone had discovered the letters he signed.

He didn't say that he didn't know what they were when he signed them.
Just that he didn't know anyone had found them.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
7. New headline "Paul Ryan, doesn't read the chit he signs.'
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:10 PM
Aug 2012

I can't believe no one is nailing him on this.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
10. Ryan should be called out
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:14 PM
Aug 2012

many of the republican voters were suppoerting him because he was against the stimulus

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
19. I say bollocks to that
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:46 PM
Aug 2012

Too many red state pols got away scot-free with their public grandstanding against the stimulus while their states were struggling, only to beg for it on the sly later...

If Ryan gets to criticize it in his speeches to voters, we get to remind them how he benefitted from it...

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
42. LOL!
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 05:44 PM
Aug 2012

Yes, let's overlook the lying and/or incompetence.

Let's focus on important things.

You lost?

philly_bob

(2,419 posts)
61. It's plausible he signed them in a stack of constituent service letters.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 01:32 PM
Aug 2012

Again, folks, choose your battles.

Ryan is awful. His beliefs are heartless and irrational. But attack those beliefs, not GOTCHA technicalities.

I think a stronger case for his hypocrisy can be made by looking at his Bush-era vote for stimulus package. No explaining that away.

csziggy

(34,133 posts)
62. Sure, let's remind people of how Ryan wholeheartedly supported stimulus
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:12 PM
Aug 2012

When it was under President Bush:


VIDEO: Paul Ryan defended stimulus in 2002, when George W. Bush wanted it
By Sal Gentile
Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:40 AM EDT
<SNIP>
But in 2002, when then-President Bush was seeking a roughly $120 billion package of tax cuts, tax incentives for business and unemployment benefits to jump-start the economy, Ryan offered a vigorous defense of the plan. “What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed,” Ryan said in video that aired today on Up w/ Chris Hayes. The remarks came during a House debate on the measure on Feb. 14, 2002.

Ryan’s comments reveal a strikingly different economic analysis than the one he has become known for in recent years as the “intellectual leader” of the Republican Party and, now, Mitt Romney’s running mate. In 2002, Ryan argued that unemployment would remain at elevated levels even after the economy began to recover, and that aggressive stimulus would be a necessary and effective antidote.

“What we're trying to accomplish here is the recognition of the fact that in recessions, unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place,” Ryan said at the time. “We have a lot of laid-off workers, and more layoffs are occurring. And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place.”

Ryan’s advocacy of stimulus spending wasn’t limited to Washington, either. When he returned home to face constituents, he used similar language to make the case for the Bush stimulus bill. “You have to spend a little to grow a little,” Ryan told constituents at a town hall in Wisconsin in January 2002, according to the Journal-Times, a local newspaper. “What we're trying to do is stimulate that part of the economy that's on its back."

More, including the video of Ryan's remarks: http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/19/13361928-video-paul-ryan-defended-stimulus-in-2002-when-george-w-bush-wanted-it

bhikkhu

(10,714 posts)
17. I'm sure, if elected, he'll be just as clueless
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:34 PM
Aug 2012

Half the work of being a republican in office is to maintain a plausible ignorance of the job.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
20. Awww, now that they're best buds, Ryan borrowed the etch-a-sketch.
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:51 PM
Aug 2012


He would have been a lot better off if he just said "Yes, I have sinned, I'm just like many others, but I have seen the error of my ways".

Now he just looks like a liar. And if he changes his tune he will look like he is taking pandering lessons from Mi$$.

I love how "representing the people" or talking with the neighbors has become "case work for constituents". Is that dehumanizing, or just necessary so one can subordinate it to their fundraising? I wonder how many hundreds of others see us that way?

williesgirl

(4,033 posts)
21. So he signs off on a $21 million request and doesn't read it first! Worse than lying about it.
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 02:55 PM
Aug 2012

He's a jerk and a liar. rec'd

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
23. The Overworked Congressman Excuse
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:06 PM
Aug 2012

Now Ryan is lying about the lie. How many layers deep will he carry the lying, one wonders. But I will give Ryan this; he has been a quick learner when it comes to lying, and even the lying about the lying. Romney picked well. He has a soulmate.

Pachamama

(16,886 posts)
25. Question: Who is a bigger liar - Romney or Ryan???
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:16 PM
Aug 2012

Answer: dont know.... They are both big effing liars, hard to know who lies more....

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
26. this kind of concerns me in a different way
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:16 PM
Aug 2012

And the question I have is why they think they can boldly lie and get away with it...Rmoney has made a string of them and now Ryan is too...the only reason someone would do that is if they knew it did not matter...that the media would not call them on it or that the results of the election is already known.
I think after the convention we will know if we see the polls getting tighter...that the fix is in....because no one who has rejected Rmoney now will change it because of some well produced convention....or some single issue that Rmoney has raised.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
29. If he didn't know about letters HE signed, it shows a huge character flaw
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:35 PM
Aug 2012

How could he possibly be qualified to serve the 2nd highest office in the land if he can't recall signing important documents.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
30. Goddamit, look at the upside here.
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:44 PM
Aug 2012

Not being able to recall stuff is an absolute requirement for a Republican politician.

Ryan's got selective amnesia in spades.

No wonder they love him.

madashelltoo

(1,696 posts)
34. What? I did the same thing once.
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:26 PM
Aug 2012

I signed four letters requesting $21 million, signed it and mailed it. Didn't get the money though.

Oh, that's right. I forgot. I never did that at all. Sorry.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
35. Could you do it retroactively?
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:31 PM
Aug 2012

Write a letter saying you want to retroactively request $21 million. It should work!

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
36. "...stimulus was a failure..."
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:36 PM
Aug 2012

Did the company getting the money fail? Were any jobs created or were the funds denied and the company went out of business?

How is it a failure?

CanonRay

(14,093 posts)
37. Once again: What happened to "personal responsibility"?
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 04:45 PM
Aug 2012

Republicans are 50lbs of bullshit in a 25lb bag.

 

Herlong

(649 posts)
41. He Didn’t Know He Signed Letters Asking For Stimulus Funds
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 05:35 PM
Aug 2012

Next Obama/Obama PAC ad in five for three two....

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
52. One minor correction ... "too stupid to care about lies."
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 09:14 PM
Aug 2012

And usually the GOP voters don't disappoint.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
55. Now that he realizes the "mistake" I expect he'll be returning the funds
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 09:55 PM
Aug 2012

he never intended to request. I'm sure his right wing constituents won't miss the big government help.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
56. just like Romney with the SEC Documents
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 10:11 PM
Aug 2012

"our signatures on paper mean nothing, make us your president and vice president."

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
57. What
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 11:48 PM
Aug 2012

You little Eddie Munster look a like. He got caught in a major lie his first few days...you arrogant Ayn Rand follwn jerk.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
59. Yeah, and you're stupid too! Lumphead forgets what century it is. We have the vid. so we'll remind
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 12:01 PM
Aug 2012

you.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
64. My response to both Ryan and Rmoney would be: Don't you read
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:02 PM
Aug 2012

anything you sign? If you are that careless then why should anybody vote for you.

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