Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:58 AM
Psephos (6,855 posts)
No One Will Be Charged with a Crime for the MF Global Collapse
Source: The Atlantic Wire
Authorities are winding down their criminal investigation of the failed brokarage firm, MF Global, and despite the lack of oversight and the loss of more than $1 billion in customer funds, it now seems unlikely that anyone at the firm will face criminal charges. The New York Times is reporting this morning that after ten months of investigation by federal prosecutors, sources say there isn't even enough evidence to charge any of the firm's executives in a criminal probe. The company may have failed spectacularly when it came to oversight and risk management, but the losses cannot be chalked up to outright fraud. The company placed a grossly outsized bet (more than $6 billion worth) on the health of the European debt market last year and when it went south, the firm "borrowed" money from the accounts of its customers to try and salvage its own losses. Most of the blame for those trades fell on its CEO (and ex-New Jersey governor) Jon Corzine, and while his reputation and firm are ruined, it seems he will escape any legal sanction. He could still face massive civil lawsuits or fines from regulators who have a lower standard than a criminal prosecution, but jail isn't in the cards. <snip> Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/no-one-charged-crime-mf-global-collapse-111056124--finance.html?_esi=1
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| Psephos | Aug 2012 | OP | |
| russspeakeasy | Aug 2012 | #1 | |
| movonne | Aug 2012 | #24 | |
| russspeakeasy | Aug 2012 | #30 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Aug 2012 | #37 | |
| truth2power | Aug 2012 | #38 | |
| awoke_in_2003 | Aug 2012 | #2 | |
| RKP5637 | Aug 2012 | #4 | |
| awoke_in_2003 | Aug 2012 | #11 | |
| closeupready | Aug 2012 | #26 | |
| Laurian | Aug 2012 | #3 | |
| RKP5637 | Aug 2012 | #5 | |
| Laurian | Aug 2012 | #8 | |
| RKP5637 | Aug 2012 | #12 | |
| Nuclear Unicorn | Aug 2012 | #10 | |
| banned from Kos | Aug 2012 | #40 | |
| SoapBox | Aug 2012 | #6 | |
| Ezlivin | Aug 2012 | #7 | |
| woo me with science | Aug 2012 | #20 | |
| HughBeaumont | Aug 2012 | #9 | |
| Igel | Aug 2012 | #39 | |
| truebrit71 | Aug 2012 | #13 | |
| Javaman | Aug 2012 | #14 | |
| Laurian | Aug 2012 | #15 | |
| Angry Dragon | Aug 2012 | #16 | |
| JackRiddler | Aug 2012 | #17 | |
| Angry Dragon | Aug 2012 | #18 | |
| hughee99 | Aug 2012 | #19 | |
| Joe Shlabotnik | Aug 2012 | #21 | |
| DeSwiss | Aug 2012 | #22 | |
| PD Turk | Aug 2012 | #25 | |
| closeupready | Aug 2012 | #29 | |
| bullwinkle428 | Aug 2012 | #33 | |
| PD Turk | Aug 2012 | #23 | |
| movonne | Aug 2012 | #32 | |
| PD Turk | Aug 2012 | #34 | |
| just1voice | Aug 2012 | #27 | |
| still_one | Aug 2012 | #28 | |
| OnyxCollie | Aug 2012 | #31 | |
| JDPriestly | Aug 2012 | #35 | |
| truth2power | Aug 2012 | #36 |
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:01 PM
russspeakeasy (5,734 posts)
1. Welcome to the Old Normal...Different rules and all that shit.
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Response to russspeakeasy (Reply #1)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:48 PM
movonne (9,467 posts)
24. This is a much bigger crime than Julian Assange did and look how
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they are going after him...he is the one doing the exposing of this kind of shit and this is why he is much more dangerous...
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Response to movonne (Reply #24)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:53 PM
russspeakeasy (5,734 posts)
30. I 100 % agree...
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Response to movonne (Reply #24)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:25 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,707 posts)
37. What should Assange get for his crimes?
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A wage paid by the government and free dinners for the rest of his life.
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Response to movonne (Reply #24)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:37 PM
truth2power (7,004 posts)
38. I continue to ask myself why Obama is jonesing for Assange's hide....
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In my view it's not about what Wikileaks has already exposed, which is over and done. Hmmm, maybe he's troubled by what Assange could release regarding Cheney/Bush et. al., whom Obama elected to protect from prosecution for their crimes against humanity.
Surely, Obama knows where a lot of bodies are buried, as it were. And who knows what information Assange might stumble upon if he isn't silenced. |
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:05 PM
awoke_in_2003 (18,502 posts)
2. Steal $200...
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feel bad about it, and turn it in to cops the next day - get sentenced to seven years.
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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #2)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:09 PM
RKP5637 (25,592 posts)
4. or get caught with a tiny bit of pot. Our sense of priorities and justice in this
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country are severely F'ed up.
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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:30 PM
awoke_in_2003 (18,502 posts)
11. Yep...
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the wealthy can do anything they want
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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:49 PM
closeupready (19,472 posts)
26. Completely agree.
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nt
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Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:05 PM
Laurian (1,122 posts)
3. What the hell?
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Last edited Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Apparently there are no laws governing the financial industry, but get caught stealing food to feed your family and you will definitely end up in the slammer.
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Response to Laurian (Reply #3)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:12 PM
RKP5637 (25,592 posts)
5. Apparently it's fair in the financial industry to rip off customers and steal their
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funds. What a message this sends to the financial cons. Just do what you damn well please.
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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #5)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:16 PM
Laurian (1,122 posts)
8. Will anyone EVER stand up against these injustices?
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No wonder they continue to rip off everyone (their clients and the taxpayers). They never suffer any consequences and are able to line their pockets at will.....
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Response to Laurian (Reply #8)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:30 PM
RKP5637 (25,592 posts)
12. Apparently it's "American Exceptionalism." Makes one wonder, doesn't it, just who
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does run this country. It's all a racket, anymore. Money talks and has tremendous power, the rest of us just talk. And I think it's about 40% (???) of this nation don't even bother to vote, they've given up on the country.
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Response to Laurian (Reply #3)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:21 PM
Nuclear Unicorn (6,968 posts)
10. There are laws against investors using customer funds for house investments
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I had always thought that was the issue at hand. It seems we've been told we were wrong to ever think that.
I wonder if a civil suit is in the offing? |
Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #10)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:03 PM
banned from Kos (4,017 posts)
40. The fine for comingling is a couple of hundred thousand dollars
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and there are already civil lawsuits in process.
There was no crime at MFG, however. |
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:13 PM
SoapBox (5,823 posts)
6. Surprise! Not... n/t
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:16 PM
Ezlivin (8,017 posts)
7. Yet the FBI is raiding the homes of Occupy protestors
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Last edited Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:17 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I'm so glad they've got their priorities straight.
The Oregonian newspaper reported that heavily-armed domestic terrorism units of the FBI have been raiding the homes of activists in Seattle and Olympia, Washington and Portland, Oregon over the last month.
The report said that at least six homes have been raided in the two states since July 10. ... The paper said the agents were searching for “anti-government or anarchist literature or material” and “documentation and communications related to the offenses, including but not limited to notes, diagrams, letters, diary and journal entries, address books, and other documentation in written or electronic form.” They have all the manpower and will in the world to suss out crime when they want to. The article is at http://www.hangthebankers.com/fbi-raiding-homes-of-occupy-activists/ |
Response to Ezlivin (Reply #7)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:13 PM
woo me with science (19,617 posts)
20. Thank you.
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Last edited Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:15 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) Change is not coming from within our purchased government. Just the opposite. Our government has chosen sides.
They have not chosen ours.
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Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:20 PM
HughBeaumont (20,461 posts)
9. If any of us stole even $500, we would do time and never work again.
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What makes this LESS of a crime? Seriously, plunge the depths of corporate logic on THAT one . . . if a wealthy person commits a crime that only affects the hoi polloi (and not the 1%), then it's perfectly OK? FUCK, this country's priorities are messed up.
Don't put me in power. I'd conduct a WAR on the One Percent. I'd publish my own graphic so those two propaganda channels CNBC and Fox can splash it above Larry Cokemule's and Sean Hanniturd's faces (oh, and the next item would be to restore The Fairness Doctrine). It'd be a peaceful invasion of the offshore tax havens, starting with the Cayman Islands. Audits out the ass. Insider trading investigations. Books would be open more than a library on any given day. I'd be a job-creation machine for all of the people I'd hire to make these corporate welfare pigs pay HARD. This country is NEVER going to progress until we get our wealthy in check. NEVER. Get them out of politics, get them OUT of the electoral process, regulate and tax the high FUCK out of them. And while I'm still pipe-dreaming, since the purchased Repub/RepubliDem Congress would never go along with it, I'd like a new sunroom. |
Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #9)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:48 PM
Igel (17,557 posts)
39. The law, mostly.
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If you steal $500, they have to prove that you stole it.
But what if you're a bank teller and accidentally hand it out a few hundred dollars to a stranger, having not followed the bank rules by mixing $100s and $10s. Did you steal it? Or what if you're like the mechanic where I took my car once. They gave me a binding estimate, except that the guy was wrong on the cost of the part. He provided the wrong information to the parts dealer and had to pay over $100 more for the parts than he thought. They ate the difference. Did he steal money from the owner? Now, the bank or the owner probably would take it out of the employees' hides. But the issue is, Did they break the law? No. They were sloppy, they showed bad judgment. Don't like the law, work to get it changed, but don't make any punitive action retroactive. Also make the laws narrowly tailored. And don't ask for DAs and courts to make up laws on the fly in order to punish people. (Note that broadly written laws are asking for DAs and courts to make up laws on the fly.) |
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:37 PM
truebrit71 (16,911 posts)
13. Of course not....why would they? Laws and rules don't apply to Wall St.
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...i am suffering from outrage fatigue when it comes to the crimes of Wall St.
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Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:50 PM
Javaman (40,644 posts)
14. The wealthy dine on our bones. nt
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:54 PM
Laurian (1,122 posts)
15. Charles P. Pierce has a good take on this on his blog.
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:00 PM
Angry Dragon (24,073 posts)
16. Just walk into a Quick Stop and tell them you need to 'borrow'
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all their money and everything will be okay
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Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:05 PM
JackRiddler (19,339 posts)
17. See RICO and the Drug War
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Too bad MF Global didn't sell a pound of cocaine. Everyone would have been arrested, let judge and jury sort them out. Too bad RICO is only applied to the little gangsters, not the big-time banksters.
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Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:07 PM
Angry Dragon (24,073 posts)
18. I am not sure who the biggest assholes are in this story
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:10 PM
hughee99 (10,114 posts)
19. While it's not illegal to make awful, risky, or poorly timed bets and
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Last edited Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:11 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) lose all your clients money, it's always been illegal to steal (or "borrow" or "shift funds") from their accounts. I'm very surprised no one is going to jail for that.
Having said that, the person who everyone would be looking at is Corzine, and he's WAY to well connected to have charges brought against him. This whole thing reeks of hushed phone calls, veiled threats and backroom deals. |
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:43 PM
Joe Shlabotnik (2,235 posts)
21. And yet some still fret "why doesnt society respect the law anymore?"
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Too many laws and burdens for the little people, and a failure of leadership from those at the top to act responsible, or accept responsibility. Two sets of rules don't work.
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Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:45 PM
DeSwiss (17,213 posts)
22. Of course there won't be any charges filed.....
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...because no crimes were committed. You see, those bankers might have been acting immorally, or inappropriately and/or recklessly -- but not illegally. It was just good 'ol AMERICAN GREED, see? And you can't arrest someone for that, can you? We have the assurance of the President and other experts in the laws of the land on this:
President Obama’s DOJ claims that prosecutors can’t indict and convict financial executives just because they behaved badly; greed, they say, is not a crime.
link - So we can go back to what we were doing before all this ruckus. There's nothing to see here. Move along. Move along......
K&R ![]() |
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #22)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:48 PM
PD Turk (1,030 posts)
25. precisely
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sums it all up nicely
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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #22)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:52 PM
closeupready (19,472 posts)
29. OMG, this made me heartily LOL.
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If Shakespeare was right when he wrote, "Many a truth said in jeste", this is Exhibit A.
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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #22)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:13 PM
bullwinkle428 (11,384 posts)
33. FANTASTIC!!
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Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:47 PM
PD Turk (1,030 posts)
23. Sadly, it doesn't surprise me
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There's a different set of rules for the very small elite class than there is for the rest of us. The only question that remains is, how long will we tolerate it?
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Response to PD Turk (Reply #23)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:05 PM
movonne (9,467 posts)
32. This will not stop and our outrage will cool or either we
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the people will rise up and fight and it will be bloody....
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Response to movonne (Reply #32)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:14 PM
PD Turk (1,030 posts)
34. I abhor violence
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I would like to believe that there is always a nonviolent solution to every problem, but with each passing day my hopes for a peaceful solution to the plutocratic takeover of our democratic process fade just a little bit more. As JFK said:
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." It's the last thing I'd ever want to see my child have to go through, but, better last resort than no resort. We can't stand wringing our hands forever in the face of this kind of tyranny. May God help us all |
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:51 PM
just1voice (1,362 posts)
27. Evidence? What evidence? I don't see no stinkin' evidence, LOL
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despite the truckloads of actual evidence proving they stole customer funds and defrauded their financial backers.
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Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:51 PM
still_one (31,090 posts)
28. We need a new attorney general. /nt
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:58 PM
OnyxCollie (6,569 posts)
31. Whoo hoo!
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Fired up for 2012!
Obama's going after those guys in his second term. Just wait! He'll team up with Occupy and take those Wall Street bastards on! (Whew. Self-delusion takes a lot of work.) |
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:29 PM
JDPriestly (37,760 posts)
35. If no charges are or can be filed in the MF Global theft of investors' money,
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Last edited Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:32 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) then we have not justice and don't need a Justice Department.
Why don't we just fire Holder and the whole lot starting at the top and working down. They are useless. All they are capable of is putting marijuana growers in jail. And is that really worth what we spend to keep the Justice Department going? How about just charging them with writing bad checks? Seems like that should be one way to look at it. |
Response to Psephos (Original post)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:13 PM
truth2power (7,004 posts)


- So we can go back to what we were doing before all this ruckus. There's nothing to see here. Move along. Move along......
