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Thu Aug 16, 2012, 10:43 AM

Report: 4 cops shot, 2 dead, in St. John shooting

Source: WWL News



Posted: Thursday, 16 August 2012 8:30AM

Report: 4 cops shot, 2 dead, in St. John shooting


WWL.com Reporting
Four St. John Sheriff's deputies were shot in the LaPlace area early this morning in two separate shootings early this morning.

Officials say two officers were injured in a shooting at a parking lot near the Valero Complex.

St. John Parish Sheriff Mike Trege says two officers were killed at trailer park as they were interviewing suspects involved in the earlier shooting.

The sheriff described the shooting at the trailer park as "an ambush" by one of the suspects with an AK-47 rifle.

Read more: http://www.wwl.com/2-cops--2-civilians-shot-in-St--John/13999689

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Reply Report: 4 cops shot, 2 dead, in St. John shooting (Original post)
NOLALady Aug 2012 OP
barbtries Aug 2012 #1
samsingh Aug 2012 #2
slackmaster Aug 2012 #30
maxsolomon Aug 2012 #34
slackmaster Aug 2012 #47
maxsolomon Aug 2012 #48
patrice Aug 2012 #3
darkangel218 Aug 2012 #4
Roy Rolling Aug 2012 #6
darkangel218 Aug 2012 #10
xtraxritical Aug 2012 #19
Remmah2 Aug 2012 #31
bongbong Aug 2012 #35
truebluegreen Aug 2012 #52
smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #61
Roy Rolling Aug 2012 #5
-..__... Aug 2012 #37
bongbong Aug 2012 #39
Botany Aug 2012 #7
Paladin Aug 2012 #8
AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #9
Equate Aug 2012 #11
rfranklin Aug 2012 #12
AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #13
digonswine Aug 2012 #21
SkyDaddy7 Aug 2012 #23
digonswine Aug 2012 #26
Remmah2 Aug 2012 #28
progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #15
riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #17
Remmah2 Aug 2012 #29
movonne Aug 2012 #27
fascisthunter Aug 2012 #14
DrDan Aug 2012 #16
-..__... Aug 2012 #38
LanternWaste Aug 2012 #41
valerief Aug 2012 #18
SILVER__FOX52 Aug 2012 #20
nolabear Aug 2012 #22
onehandle Aug 2012 #24
Javaman Aug 2012 #33
bongbong Aug 2012 #36
Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #25
Javaman Aug 2012 #32
maxsolomon Aug 2012 #42
slackmaster Aug 2012 #46
nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #40
revolution breeze Aug 2012 #43
Historic NY Aug 2012 #44
SpaceRock Aug 2012 #45
maxsolomon Aug 2012 #49
revolution breeze Aug 2012 #50
appleannie1 Aug 2012 #51
lunasun Aug 2012 #53
truebluegreen Aug 2012 #54
Dr_Scholl Aug 2012 #55
Macoy51 Aug 2012 #56
revolution breeze Aug 2012 #57
Macoy51 Aug 2012 #59
wordpix Aug 2012 #60
Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #58

Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 10:58 AM

1. it just doesn't stop.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:05 AM

2. nope

and the deputies were armed so we can't use the argument that was proposed for the theatre shootings - if only the audience was armed they could have averted the tragedy.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:42 PM

30. As long as armed violent criminal gang members are allowed to remain free

 

Police will be at risk of being shot by them.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:05 PM

34. Is that who the perpetrators were?

Armed violent criminal gang members?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #34)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:00 PM

47. Multiple male crime suspects with firearms shooting at cops?

 

That sounds like a gang to me.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #47)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:32 PM

48. Then i'm putting this one in a different bucket than Aurora

I didn't read that in the article linked.

On one hand, we have a problem with gang violence, which sometimes spills over to harm those outside that milieu, be they law enforcement or bystanders. This fills that bill.

On the other hand, we have Amoklauf shootings, where a mentally ill person (typically male) shoots family or strangers, then often themselves.

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:10 AM

3. SICK of all of the ideologies. This. is. not. right. People have to get a grip on the difference

between woo woo land and here.

............................

Those poor sad families!

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:12 AM

4. In what state is St John?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:16 AM

6. Louisiana

It is a parish about 20 miles from New Orleans.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:26 AM

10. Ok, thanx.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:50 AM

19. Really, when are posters going to learn the basic - who, what, when, where, why concept?

Also, when are people going to learn what the Founders meant by "a well regulated militia".

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:44 PM

31. Another FAIL POST.

 

nt

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:12 PM

35. 2nd Amendment

 

> Also, when are people going to learn what the Founders meant by "a well regulated militia".

It's so easy to find. Federalist Paper #29. It means, paraphrased, "trained like an army".

NOT a bunch of overweight Rambo fantasybois running around armed to the teeth.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #35)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:44 PM

52. And when will people realize

that the well-regulated militia was intended to operate in the place of a standing army? Article 1, Section 8:

Congress shall have the power....
<snip>
To raise and support Armies, but no appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than 2 years;
<snip>
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions


Oddly, there isn't a word in there about citizens defending themselves from the government; just the opposite. Hmmm

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Response to bongbong (Reply #35)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 09:45 AM

61. +1000

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:15 AM

5. One of the deputies

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and his family attended the church I visit. Totally senseless killing. My grieving process has shot straight through "disbelief" to anger----I hope the NRA and its enablers now understand why police almost universally support the ban on assault weapons like the AK-47 rifle used to gun down these deputies.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:25 PM

37. Ban for thee...

 

but not for me...

police almost universally support the ban on assault weapons


Lets see them put their money where their mouth is and support an AWB that would include both active duty and retired law enforcement officers.

Think they'd get behind that?

Nahhhh... they'd be shrieking and screaming like a troop of chimpanzees caught in a snare net at the mere suggestion of such a proposal.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:30 PM

39. Anatomy of a typical gun-religonist post

 

Strawman being constructed, part 1:

> Lets see them put their money where their mouth is and support an AWB that would include both active duty and retired law enforcement officers.

Strawman being constructed, part 2:

> Think they'd get behind that?

Strawman being destroyed:

>Nahhhh... they'd be shrieking and screaming like a troop of chimpanzees caught in a snare net at the mere suggestion of such a proposal.

There you have the format of many of the posts from the gun-relgionists.





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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:17 AM

7. Were they able to save the guns?

It just doesn't stop does it?

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:20 AM

8. Cue The DU Gun Rights Cadre......

...with the usual line that these shootings aren't any big deal---just the librul media playing on librul emotionalism.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:32 AM

12. don't get your knickers in a twist...one word against guns for everyone all the time and...

 

the gun lovers arrive like a swarm of locusts.

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Response to rfranklin (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:37 AM

13. I don't know if the 'gun lovers' have generally spotted this thread yet or not.

I see several glaring errors in things that were posted thus far, but I am refraining from correcting them, because it just doesn't seem like the time, you know?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:33 PM

21. Just too soon?

Apparently, there will never be a good time to discuss things if we need to wait a bit before doing so. They keep mucking it up with more shootings.
I find ideas about giving respect to the victims by not discussing things to be silly-if that is what you meant.

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Response to digonswine (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:01 PM

23. Remeber there is a "Waiting Period"

And that is for talking about the latest shooting...The thing is they happen so often the waiting period has no end!!

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:08 PM

26. It is just-

that they have so much damned respect for the victims. Have you no decency? sarcasm blah

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:40 PM

28. Does it really matter?

 

Perps innocent, guns guilty.

The truth will be omitted and twisted to fit the agenda.

It's SOP in the play book.

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Response to rfranklin (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:37 AM

15. Yep, they'll be here soon... n/t

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Response to rfranklin (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:39 AM

17. seems that way

doesn't it.....NRA is upset with Pennsylvanian for their gun laws....

I was thinking every American child born should be given a gun at birth....and be allowed to get another each birthday. I think the NRA would like that.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:41 PM

29. I'm still looking for a copy of the PA bill.

 

So far I've only heard the media's complaint and their edited version.

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Response to rfranklin (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:27 PM

27. I think it is the nra and hired workers that when the word gun

is mention they jump right on it...

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:37 AM

14. Nobody accused you of Dancing... just that you don't give a shit

as much as you do your ability to buy the weapon that was used in this incident, because to you, and the other gun nuts here, any form of regulation is verboten.

So, death of people is acceptable but regulating guns isn't.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:38 AM

16. exactly - only 2 deaths - "look how gun deaths are on the decline"

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Response to -..__... (Reply #38)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:41 PM

41. I have few doubts you think a handful of people may even believe that.

I have few doubts you think a handful of people may even believe that.

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:45 AM

18. I'm sure the shooter was just "standing his ground." He must have "felt" threatened.

At least, he was able to protect his freedomS.

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:53 PM

22. Guns need regulation and people need calming.

I fear the political climate is jacking up all Kinds of mentally unstable but generally manageable behavior into the red zone. Though if the two sides could come together for five minutes and say to people "We are passionate about our positions but want you to hang tight while we engage in a process as old as this country, and one that, though nerve wracking, makes it great," it might help a little. But they themselves seem to feel that this is war, and in so many ways we are the collateral damage. I expect this will go on until November and if Obama wins will rise a bit until people realize he's not The Enemy and the world will not end. And in fact will get better if we can take the Congress and stop the obstructionists. Til then, be careful out there.

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:27 PM

24. More guns would solve this.

There's nothing that guns can't do.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:59 PM

33. Can guns time travel?

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I want one of those!

just wait some pro-gun nut will claim it so.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:15 PM

36. Yes!

 

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They also serve as comfort for many people, like suckling bottles do for babies. Sometimes a gun is the only thing that allows a person to walk out his/her front door. IOW, guns can prevent starvation, as many gun-relgioniosts would never leave home without one, and would starve.

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:02 PM

25. If only the policemen had been armed ... Oh, wait ...

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:57 PM

32. First it was yearly...(mass shootings)

Then it was monthly...

Recently it became weekly...

Now...

Daily.

nope, no gun control needed here.

Move along citizen, nothing to see here, just make sure you duck.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #32)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:21 PM

42. I think they've been fairly steady

at 1 every 3 weeks on average. that is, if you count familycides.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #32)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:50 PM

46. Misleading Vividness due to for-profit corporate media hyping up rare but dramatic events

 

The real change is in the frequency and intensity with which these tragic events are reported.

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/165757356.html

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:31 PM

40. New normal

move along...

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:38 PM

43. One of the officers was a friend of my brother

Brandon Nielsen served as a correctional officer with my brother a few years ago. At the time he had 4 children and his wife was pregnant. The television report said he had five children under the age of 18. My prayers are with the families today.

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:42 PM

45. Retired military men

 

I think 50% of police officers in USA are retired military men. The problem lies within the remaining 50% police officers.

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Response to SpaceRock (Reply #45)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:36 PM

49. what problem?

nt

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:33 PM

51. The constitution did not say that non trained gun lovers have the right to be armed to the teeth.

The only thing assault weapons are good for is killing humans. No one needs to have one. Period.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #51)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:48 PM

53. Even Scalia himself!!!!7/2012 interview......

ustice Antonin Scalia, one of the Supreme Court's most vocal and conservative justices, said on Sunday that the Second Amendment leaves room for U.S. legislatures to regulate guns, including menacing hand-held weapons.

"It will have to be decided in future cases," Scalia said on Fox News Sunday. But there were legal precedents from the days of the Founding Fathers that banned frightening weapons which a constitutional originalist like himself must recognize. There were also "locational limitations" on where weapons could be carried, the justice noted.


When asked if that kind of precedent would apply to assault weapons, or 100-round ammunition magazines like those used in the recent Colorado movie theater massacre, Scalia declined to speculate. "We'll see," he said. '"It will have to be decided."

As an originalist scholar, Scalia looks to the text of the Constitution—which confirms the right to bear arms—but also the context of 18th-century history. “They had some limitations on the nature of arms that could be borne," he told host Chris Wallace.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/scalia-guns-may-be-regulated-20120729

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #51)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:48 PM

54. True.

The militia was intended to be a substitute for a standing army, which the Founders feared (wonder why) and specifically banned.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #51)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 10:03 PM

55. Oh please.

 

Besides being one of the least used guns in crime, they're functionally no different than many traditional hunting rifles.

Banning something because it looks scary is ridiculous.

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Response to Dr_Scholl (Reply #55)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 08:05 AM

56. Outlaw Criminals, not Guns

 

Why don’t we outlaw criminals? I am willing to bet that the police were not killed by law-abiding citizens, but rather by criminals who have had many, many run-ins with the law.

If you really want to stop the killing, then make possession of a gun during a crime an automatic ten year sentence. And mere possession of a gun by a felon is also a ten year sentence.

Of course, in order to make room for all the gun tooting criminals, we will have to legalize drug use and release all the prisoners in for non-violent drug charges.

Mmmm, gun tooting criminals behind bars, joint toking Granma back at home, looks like a win/win to me.


Macoy

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Response to Macoy51 (Reply #56)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 09:20 AM

57. The suspects in this case

had previously been under surveillance in DeSoto Parish because neighbors reported seeing them with assault weapons at all hours.

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Response to revolution breeze (Reply #57)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 07:52 AM

59. Criminals with Guns

 

As I thought, a history of criminal activity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/19/terry-smith-6-other-suspects-linked-sovereign-citizens_n_1806598.html


From the article: "The detectives discovered members wanted under warrants issued in Tennessee, Nebraska and Louisiana."


Macoy

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Response to Macoy51 (Reply #59)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 09:12 AM

60. these people were known to be armed and dangerous---cops should have arrested them BEFORE

incident happened. Of course, hindsight is 20-20 but they were wanted in several states---I wonder when FBI was called in?

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Response to NOLALady (Original post)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 09:46 AM

58. suspects identified as Kyle Joekel and Brian Smith

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