Wed Aug 15, 2012, 06:57 PM

UK 'threatens' to raid Ecuador embassy over Assange

Source: Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Britain has threatened to raid the Ecuadorian embassy in London if WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is not handed over, Ecuador's foreign minister says.

At a media conference in Quito, Ricardo Patino said the position taken by the British government was "unacceptable".

"Today we've received a threat by the United Kingdom, a clear and written threat that they could storm our embassy in London if Ecuador refuses to hand in Julian Assange," he said ...

Mr Patino said a decision on the Wikileaks founder's asylum request would be made public late tonight ...

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UK 'threatens' to raid Ecuador embassy over Assange (Original post)	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	OP
Four hundred years of diplomatic law on Line One for you, Mr. Prime Minister.. (nt)	Posteritatis	Aug 2012	#1
Ecuador says UK threatens to raid embassy over Assange	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#2
... Ecuador's minister for foreign affairs, Ricardo Patino, on Wednesday released details	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#3
I hope Ecuador has troops surrounding the British embassy in Quito.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#102
Another opponent of diplomacy weighs in, hoping for escalation	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#105
And raiding an embassy with police isn't escalation?	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#110
Technically, Assange still is on UK soil	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#112
Not when he's inside Ecuador's embassy.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#119
Quito's embassy in London is absolutely UK territory	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#121
Why did UK whine about Iran allowing civilians overrun embassy in Tehran?	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#126
Civilians versus law enforcement personnel? I see a difference.	randome	Aug 2012	#127
Civilian stooges vs law enforcement?	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#128
So is Interpol and the entire U.K. appeals system.	randome	Aug 2012	#129
Since the extradition was filed "for questioning"	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#133
As far as I can tell, no UK authorities have entered the Ecuadorian embassy without permission	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#140
Yep. They only threatened to invade.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#151
No: Ecuador says the UK threatened to invade. That's different. Pay attention	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#154
Ecuador released the letter from the UK. Its pretty clear nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#156
No, Ecuador merely indicated what it thought the letter said. The British Foreign Office	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#162
Clear to anyone not supporting an extraordinary rendition policy.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#164
Such brilliance! I think Assange ought to be handed over to Sweden, to honor a	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#167
The content of the message has been posted.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#163
... As we have previously set out, we must meet our legal obligations	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#166
London's harboring an Icelandic banker fugitive right now, the guy who crashed their economy	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#172
Former Chair of Iceland’s Kaupthing Arrested in London (09.03.2011 \| 14:16)	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#173
So 17+ months of harboring a fugitive and you never posted once in poutrage	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#174
"Another opponent of diplomacy"?????????	ljm2002	Aug 2012	#120
Australian Government offers normal consular assistance	rootProbiscus	Aug 2012	#4
Like this ?	dipsydoodle	Aug 2012	#20
... Britain's Foreign Office said in a statement late Wednesday that it had "drawn the Ecuadorians'	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#5
... "Throughout this process have we have drawn the Ecuadorians' attention to relevant provisions	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#6
REALLY?	FatIrishBastard	Aug 2012	#7
Hilarious! What kind of 'proof' of a rape would satisfy you?	randome	Aug 2012	#17
Evidence sufficient to be presented	hifiguy	Aug 2012	#62
Oh, please, you think the CIA couldn't take him out in an 'accident' at any time?	randome	Aug 2012	#65
If he's so unimportant than the CIA isn't even wasting any resources "taking him out"	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#124
Satisfaction?	FatIrishBastard	Aug 2012	#115
The UK, of course, has no stake, one way or another, in the Swedish allegations	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#21
Is this sarcasm? The UK (coughUS cough) has no "stake" in Assange's arrest?	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#24
What 'embarrassment' are you talking about? What has changed because of Assange?	randome	Aug 2012	#25
If you haven't been following Wikileaks, Bradley Manning, the release of video of war crimes	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#30
My question still stands. What consequences have the governments...	randome	Aug 2012	#37
We don't know exactly. So my question still stands, why are the Brits taking this unprecedented	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#40
The UK isn't storming the embassy. The Ecuadorians misrepresented the UK stand.	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#45
They threatened to forcibly enter the Ecuadorean embassy and make arrests therein!	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#48
Should've done it to the Libyans in 1984, frankly	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#52
And yet, even then they did not. That just says a LOT to me... nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#54
Not really	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#56
And yet after participating in how many other military actions	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#69
... "We need to reiterate that we consider the continued use of the diplomatic premises in this way	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#8
Hey, limeys! I've got your Vienna Convention right here!	KamaAina	Aug 2012	#12
I suspect that the UK has thoughtfully pointed out to Ecuador, not that	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#23
So they'd break off diplomatic relations with Ecuador over this one man?	KamaAina	Aug 2012	#93
The UK will not act in great haste here. It values its relations with the great nation of Ecuador,	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#98
...	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#60
And that's supposed to subvert a treaty which they signed?	KamaAina	Aug 2012	#92
Thereby guaranteeing Assange will be granted asylum? nt	bemildred	Aug 2012	#9
lies	heaven05	Aug 2012	#10
Ditto.	SoapBox	Aug 2012	#16
Yeah, right. All those governments have suffered soooo much!	randome	Aug 2012	#18
The unlawful financial blockade against Wikileaks,	tama	Aug 2012	#96
... CBS News correspondent Charlie D'Agata reports the British Foreign Office merely reminded	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#11
That goes both ways, Ecuador can invade the UK embassy in Quito too.	ronwelldobbs	Aug 2012	#87
Perhaps you are not a fan of diplomacy: the UK has not attacked the Ecuadorian embassy	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#100
I'm sure that behi.d the scenes, the Ecuadoreans are quietly reminding the Brits...	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#106
Another enemy of diplomacy speaks up!	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#107
I don't think that recognizing a quid-pro-quo action could quite possibly happen necessarily makes o	LanternWaste	Aug 2012	#160
The UK's "reminder" is unprecedented. Even in war the UK has never threatened another embassy	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#123
Yep. The 2 posters are quite active in defending the indefensible.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#134
The truth.	randome	Aug 2012	#136
The UK has certainly withdrawn diplomatic recognition from some countries	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#155
Please give me ONE example of the UK telling an embassy they were going to revoke	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#157
No law or custom can prevent the UK from informing Ecuador	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#159
So in other words, you got nothing. Noted. nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#161
I imagine the Ecuadorians are pretty pissed off about this threat.	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#13
They have made it a pissing contest, and they will regret it. nt	bemildred	Aug 2012	#15
I'm betting in the long run it'll cost the limeys the Malvinas.	ronwelldobbs	Aug 2012	#88
They will lose those one way or another anyway, someday.	bemildred	Aug 2012	#114
I imagine the UK is displeased to see Ecuador harbor a fugitive in its embassy	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#103
Oh for God's sake Cameron get a fucking life	Smilo	Aug 2012	#14
If the U.S. was pulling the UK's strings, why is Assange not in U.S. custody?	randome	Aug 2012	#19
Because up until now they were trying to	Smilo	Aug 2012	#29
For two years? Government revenge is a dish best served slow!	randome	Aug 2012	#33
There is a lawful UK court order, directing Assange to surrender for extradition,	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#34
Assange's work in exposing war crimes transcends international borders	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#39
Under existing Swedish law, false prosecution is actionable	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#58
So we circle back to the crux of it. That the US has long planned to extradite him from Sweden nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#61
Assange's paranoid hallucinations, contagious as they seem to be, nevertheless	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#66
International machinations designed to eliminate war crimes whistleblowers	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#74
i don't see any 'International machinations designed to eliminate war crimes whistleblowers'	Bodhi BloodWave	Aug 2012	#142
Once upon a time rape was a crime	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#144
He would have a hard time defending hjmself in a Swedish court,	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#137
For Christ's sake, what government in its right 'mind' would 'promise' to protect...	randome	Aug 2012	#138
"Where are his 'poison pill' documents?"	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#146
Its done all the time.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#148
Assange is not a criminal!	randome	Aug 2012	#165
Simple... he can be questioned at the embassy.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#171
The U.K. is not going to 'invade' the embassy.	randome	Aug 2012	#175
Because "justice" has the appearance of a farce.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#176
Assange and his lawyers were free to argue re-extradition to the US timely during their contest	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#139
No. Not arguing the point doesn't mean theyVe waived the right to argue at a later date.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#150
Don't quit your day job	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#153
Shame on Britain for doing the US' dirty work. As a country (US), we suck.	Vidar	Aug 2012	#22
Why don't they just declare war and get it over with?	malthaussen	Aug 2012	#26
Can they give him citizenship and appoint him as diplomat with such immunity to arrest?	jerseyjack	Aug 2012	#27
interesting -- I would suppose so	tomm2thumbs	Aug 2012	#31
The UK would not be obliged to accept any credentials offered by Assange	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#36
I have a feeling that would generate FAR more collateral damage than even the Brits	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#41
Nope. No country is ever required to accept the credentials of a potential ambassador	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#101
Oh, I should hope they do "expel" him, and usher him out of the country	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#125
The UK recognizes an outstanding warrant for him	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#131
Just like they "recognized" the outstanding warrant for Pinochet perhaps?	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#132
Then why didn't the UK send Assange to the US	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#147
Public perception of "fairness" would be my guess. Assange is already	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#158
Poor Assange	dsteve01	Aug 2012	#28
He doesn't have a gym in the embassy! And his mother wants him home!	randome	Aug 2012	#38
Desperate criminals after one of the greatest men of the 21st Century. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Aug 2012	#32
One of the 'greatest men'? For publishing stolen documents?	randome	Aug 2012	#35
But we didn't, did we? He did.	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#42
I approve of whistleblowing and uncovering government secrets.	randome	Aug 2012	#49
Shockingly, even if were proven that he did that ...	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#63
I appreciate your directness!	randome	Aug 2012	#67
Daniel Ellsberg?	Warren Stupidity	Aug 2012	#130
Bottom line: the Ecuadorians have shown themselves neophytes at diplomacy	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#43
Suuure the Brits did just that.	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#44
LOL! What do you call forcibly entering a diplomatic embassy and arresting people therein?	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#46
not really	Bodhi BloodWave	Aug 2012	#68
Even during military war, the Brits have never taken this step	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#73
I'm merely pointing out it wouldn't be a breach of international law	Bodhi BloodWave	Aug 2012	#75
But it would be so unprecedented as to set off a firestorm of outrage globally imho	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#77
Nailed it! Thank you.	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#85
Be careful what you wish for . . .	ronwelldobbs	Aug 2012	#89
'There are limits' to Assange support: Roxon (Aust. Attorney-General)	Matilda	Aug 2012	#47
If they do, Argentina will invade the Falklands again.	Cleita	Aug 2012	#50
This proves that is the US that wants him.	Odin2005	Aug 2012	#51
You are right. n/t	Cleita	Aug 2012	#53
And for two years, they ignored their 'masters'.	randome	Aug 2012	#55
No way. They tried to get him through legal channels first	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#59
I think you're probably right.	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#71
That would be an act of war.	kestrel91316	Aug 2012	#57
yes	lovuian	Aug 2012	#64
Yes.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#152
Q&A: UK can enter embassy, says law expert	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#70
A guy who isn't even a criminal constitutes "extraordinary circumstances"?	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#72
warrant for fleeing a country day before an interview and dna test in regards to rape charges and	Bodhi BloodWave	Aug 2012	#76
"Extraordinary" enough to provoke an international diplomatic incident? nt	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#78
Not extraordinary. Ordinary.	randome	Aug 2012	#79
They can't? They have in the past...	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#80
Still doesn't make it "extraordinary"...this is, after all, supposedly only about a rape case..	truebrit71	Aug 2012	#143
In other words "screw international law, we'll do what we want"	ronwelldobbs	Aug 2012	#90
What's really weird is that the Brits have engendered a LOT of international hostility	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#94
Ecuador, with its Pacific coast, is not terribly close to the South Atlantic archipelago	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#99
Don't bring facts like geography into this....nt	msanthrope	Aug 2012	#116
... British Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokesman contradicted the letters apparent threat.	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#81
The raids apparently happening right now. nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#82
Maybe not. There is a lot of confusion right now.	randome	Aug 2012	#83
It's hard to tell from the ustream feed exactly what's happening.	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#84
Very unlikely. The UK probably deployed police because Assange supporters	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#97
How long did the UK dilly dally over Pinochet?	Texano78704	Aug 2012	#86
The UK is known for protecting exiled dictators.	ronwelldobbs	Aug 2012	#91
Great precedent being set here	fujiyama	Aug 2012	#95
All the more bizarre since Assange is no longer on British soil.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#111
You are mistaken: Ecuador's embassy in London is quite definitely UK territory	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#113
By the Vienna Convention...	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#118
Horse pucks. You haven't read the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#122
No information on UK police action: Carr	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#104
... As Thursday dawned in London, there was no sign police might try to enter the embassy.	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#108
... Analysts in Ecuador expressed doubts that Britain would raid the embassy.	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#109
Would the UK dare to threaten the Chinese or Russian embassy	jsr	Aug 2012	#117
Of course not. They think they can bully Ecuador.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#135
Is the Chinese or Russian embassy in London harboring fugitives?	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#141
Nope. Just spies.	truebrit71	Aug 2012	#145
Along with the usual criminal activities of money laundering and arms sales	Arazi	Aug 2012	#149
and none of this has anything to do with Ecuador's tenacious lawsuit	mitchtv	Aug 2012	#168
The CIA forced Assange to have unprotected sex in Sweden to get back at Ecuador for suing Chevron!	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#169
Yes, gosh, how DARE mitchtv suggest there may be other geopolitical reasons	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#170

Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Aug 15, 2012, 06:57 PM

Posteritatis (17,454 posts)

UK 'threatens' to raid Ecuador embassy over Assange

1. Four hundred years of diplomatic law on Line One for you, Mr. Prime Minister.. (nt)

2. Ecuador says UK threatens to raid embassy over Assange

3. ... Ecuador's minister for foreign affairs, Ricardo Patino, on Wednesday released details

102. I hope Ecuador has troops surrounding the British embassy in Quito.

105. Another opponent of diplomacy weighs in, hoping for escalation

110. And raiding an embassy with police isn't escalation?

112. Technically, Assange still is on UK soil

119. Not when he's inside Ecuador's embassy.

121. Quito's embassy in London is absolutely UK territory

126. Why did UK whine about Iran allowing civilians overrun embassy in Tehran?

127. Civilians versus law enforcement personnel? I see a difference.

128. Civilian stooges vs law enforcement?

129. So is Interpol and the entire U.K. appeals system.

133. Since the extradition was filed "for questioning"

140. As far as I can tell, no UK authorities have entered the Ecuadorian embassy without permission

151. Yep. They only threatened to invade.

154. No: Ecuador says the UK threatened to invade. That's different. Pay attention

156. Ecuador released the letter from the UK. Its pretty clear nt

162. No, Ecuador merely indicated what it thought the letter said. The British Foreign Office

164. Clear to anyone not supporting an extraordinary rendition policy.

167. Such brilliance! I think Assange ought to be handed over to Sweden, to honor a

163. The content of the message has been posted.

166. ... As we have previously set out, we must meet our legal obligations

172. London's harboring an Icelandic banker fugitive right now, the guy who crashed their economy

173. Former Chair of Iceland’s Kaupthing Arrested in London (09.03.2011 | 14:16)

174. So 17+ months of harboring a fugitive and you never posted once in poutrage

120. "Another opponent of diplomacy"?????????

4. Australian Government offers normal consular assistance

20. Like this ?

5. ... Britain's Foreign Office said in a statement late Wednesday that it had "drawn the Ecuadorians'

6. ... "Throughout this process have we have drawn the Ecuadorians' attention to relevant provisions

7. REALLY?

17. Hilarious! What kind of 'proof' of a rape would satisfy you?

62. Evidence sufficient to be presented

65. Oh, please, you think the CIA couldn't take him out in an 'accident' at any time?

124. If he's so unimportant than the CIA isn't even wasting any resources "taking him out"

115. Satisfaction?

21. The UK, of course, has no stake, one way or another, in the Swedish allegations

24. Is this sarcasm? The UK (cough*US* cough) has no "stake" in Assange's arrest?

25. What 'embarrassment' are you talking about? What has changed because of Assange?

30. If you haven't been following Wikileaks, Bradley Manning, the release of video of war crimes

37. My question still stands. What consequences have the governments...

40. We don't know exactly. So my question still stands, why are the Brits taking this unprecedented

45. The UK isn't storming the embassy. The Ecuadorians misrepresented the UK stand.

48. They threatened to forcibly enter the Ecuadorean embassy and make arrests therein!

52. Should've done it to the Libyans in 1984, frankly

54. And yet, even then they did not. That just says a LOT to me... nt

56. Not really

69. And yet after participating in how many other military actions

8. ... "We need to reiterate that we consider the continued use of the diplomatic premises in this way

12. Hey, limeys! I've got your Vienna Convention right here!

23. I suspect that the UK has thoughtfully pointed out to Ecuador, not that

93. So they'd break off diplomatic relations with Ecuador over this one man?

98. The UK will not act in great haste here. It values its relations with the great nation of Ecuador,

60. ...

92. And that's supposed to subvert a treaty which they signed?

9. Thereby guaranteeing Assange will be granted asylum? nt

10. lies

16. Ditto.

18. Yeah, right. All those governments have suffered soooo much!

96. The unlawful financial blockade against Wikileaks,

11. ... CBS News correspondent Charlie D'Agata reports the British Foreign Office merely reminded

87. That goes both ways, Ecuador can invade the UK embassy in Quito too.

100. Perhaps you are not a fan of diplomacy: the UK has not attacked the Ecuadorian embassy

106. I'm sure that behi.d the scenes, the Ecuadoreans are quietly reminding the Brits...

107. Another enemy of diplomacy speaks up!

160. I don't think that recognizing a quid-pro-quo action could quite possibly happen necessarily makes o

123. The UK's "reminder" is unprecedented. Even in war the UK has never threatened another embassy

134. Yep. The 2 posters are quite active in defending the indefensible.

136. The truth.

155. The UK has certainly withdrawn diplomatic recognition from some countries

157. Please give me ONE example of the UK telling an embassy they were going to revoke

159. No law or custom can prevent the UK from informing Ecuador

161. So in other words, you got nothing. Noted. nt

13. I imagine the Ecuadorians are pretty pissed off about this threat.

15. They have made it a pissing contest, and they will regret it. nt

88. I'm betting in the long run it'll cost the limeys the Malvinas.

114. They will lose those one way or another anyway, someday.

103. I imagine the UK is displeased to see Ecuador harbor a fugitive in its embassy

24. Is this sarcasm? The UK (coughUS cough) has no "stake" in Assange's arrest?