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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:49 AM Aug 2012

Woman Becomes First Openly Gay General

Source: New York Times



WASHINGTON — An Army officer being promoted to brigadier general openly acknowledged her homosexuality on Friday by having her wife pin her star to her uniform, thus becoming the first openly gay officer of flag rank in the United States military.

The officer, Brig. Gen. Tammy S. Smith, 49, a 26-year veteran of the Army, was promoted in a ceremony at the women’s memorial at Arlington National Cemetery. The star was affixed by Tracey Hepner, who was a co-founder last year of the Military Partners and Families Coalition, which “provides support, resources, education and advocacy for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender military partners and their families,” according to its Web site.

The couple married in March 2011 in the District of Columbia. The military dropped its “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy for gay service members on Sept. 20, 2011, after a change in federal law.

The Army said that General Smith was not available for an interview on Sunday. However, she said in a statement that the Defense Department had made sexual orientation a private matter, but that “participating with family in traditional ceremonies such as the promotion is both common and expected of a leader.”

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/us/army-woman-is-first-openly-gay-officer-promoted-to-flag-rank.html

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Woman Becomes First Openly Gay General (Original Post) onehandle Aug 2012 OP
I have something in my eye Botany Aug 2012 #1
I have something dripping on my face goclark Aug 2012 #5
me too proud patriot Aug 2012 #25
Kinda dusty in here WilliamPitt Aug 2012 #41
I am a straight guy but that picture shows what can be possible if we stop the hate. Botany Aug 2012 #44
What a beautiful couple. Justice wanted Aug 2012 #2
Wow! This is very cool. cbayer Aug 2012 #3
NICE bigdarryl Aug 2012 #4
I'm really happy for her WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #6
It will take time Stargazer09 Aug 2012 #8
there are no females in my company WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #16
Wait a minute. tabasco Aug 2012 #24
it confuses me too WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #34
In a combat zone, isn't pregnancy an automatic ticket home? sarge43 Aug 2012 #35
we're not deployed WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #37
I see. Then I'm going with test case. sarge43 Aug 2012 #38
She cannot be an infantry officer and cannot tabasco Aug 2012 #47
i'm in a unit WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #49
A task force. What branch is the female officer? n/t tabasco Aug 2012 #50
When I was in the safety briefing generally went something like this Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #36
Gay or not, we need more women leaders in the military anyway SpankMe Aug 2012 #7
YES! Stargazer09 Aug 2012 #9
+1 Auggie Aug 2012 #11
This is so wonderful! Stargazer09 Aug 2012 #10
A few years ago she would have been kicked out sarge43 Aug 2012 #14
pretty damn awesome seanpencil Aug 2012 #12
Excellent! sarge43 Aug 2012 #13
"The military dropped its 'don’t ask, don’t tell' policy for gay service members..." rocktivity Aug 2012 #15
First gay general! Hooray! Aristus Aug 2012 #17
No not the first, but the first to be able to say so openly. sarge43 Aug 2012 #18
Ah! Gay generals. We finally have one we can celebrate openly! Aristus Aug 2012 #20
Frederick the Great sarge43 Aug 2012 #22
And Charles The Fabulous jberryhill Aug 2012 #26
He was an accomplished musician. longship Aug 2012 #28
Well . . . first *openly* gay general in *US* military history 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #48
Can you imagine? A lifetime of service and DADT could've ruined her life. joshcryer Aug 2012 #19
Great to read underpants Aug 2012 #21
First in the United States, it says. Okay, then. I was gonna bring up Alexander the Great. tclambert Aug 2012 #23
Excellent! Lint Head Aug 2012 #27
I was reading an article about this on a right-wing site Glaug-Eldare Aug 2012 #29
It doesn't matter what they think DissidentVoice Aug 2012 #53
Hooah ma'am! adicortez Aug 2012 #30
I have been to several promotion ceremonies, it is a great Heather MC Aug 2012 #31
This is amazing lunatica Aug 2012 #32
Congratulations! myrna minx Aug 2012 #33
It Really Isn't Fair YOHABLO Aug 2012 #39
Officers got nailed too. I processed a couple of discharges. sarge43 Aug 2012 #40
(popping a salute) DissidentVoice Aug 2012 #42
It's wonderful that this happened. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #43
Bravo fightthegoodfightnow Aug 2012 #45
Good for her! Redford Aug 2012 #46
Congratulations but one simple question “having her wife” poses a question, how does the Army jody Aug 2012 #51
technically she's neither WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #52

Botany

(70,501 posts)
1. I have something in my eye
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:54 AM
Aug 2012

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And General Smith will do a good job, life will go on, and slowly one more myth about
the threat by gays in the military will go down into the dustbin of history.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
44. I am a straight guy but that picture shows what can be possible if we stop the hate.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:17 PM
Aug 2012

Those two women are good Americans who love their country and
their being gay has nothing to do with that.

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
6. I'm really happy for her
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:22 AM
Aug 2012

It takes courage to do something like that, especially when I'm still getting safety briefs every weekend telling me not to "do dudes."

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
8. It will take time
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:38 AM
Aug 2012

The old stereotypes are still out there.

Those safety briefings must be pretty interesting. Are the females instructed to not "do dudes," too?

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
16. there are no females in my company
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:13 PM
Aug 2012

I'm in an infantry unit. Oddly enough, my CO is currently a woman (and pregnant).

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
34. it confuses me too
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:25 AM
Aug 2012

Our regular CO is in Afghanistan right now and our current one (the preggo female) is like a fill-in. I hardly ever see her around the company. In fact, since she assumed command a few months ago I've seen her maybe three times. For all intents and purposes our XO runs everything and he's a guy.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
35. In a combat zone, isn't pregnancy an automatic ticket home?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:09 AM
Aug 2012

The restriction on assignment to combat MOS is a glass ceiling for women officers, not so much enlisted. The Army is moving, slowly, toward opening them, so perhaps she's a test case. Still very risky especially considering the available OBGYN facilities probably aren't the best.

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
37. we're not deployed
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:34 AM
Aug 2012

only a handful of people from our company, including our CO, are over in Afghanistan. The rest of us are back here in garrison.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
38. I see. Then I'm going with test case.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:42 AM
Aug 2012

Saw a lot of that during the mid-seventies when many of career fields were finally opened up for women.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
47. She cannot be an infantry officer and cannot
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:30 PM
Aug 2012

be an infantry commander.

What type of unit are you in?

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
49. i'm in a unit
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:31 PM
Aug 2012

With infantry elements, but also elements of other things. We have a scout sniper platoon, a mortar platoon, a fister platoon, a commo platoon, and a supply platoon.

 

Trunk Monkey

(950 posts)
36. When I was in the safety briefing generally went something like this
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:10 AM
Aug 2012

(All Male artillery unit mind you)

If you're gonna drink don't drive, if you're gonna drive don't drink.

If you dip it , wrap it

Make sure you have the phone numbers of your NCO support chain in your pocket at all times. (the days before cell phones).

I imagine that haven't changed too much in the years since I got out

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
7. Gay or not, we need more women leaders in the military anyway
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:32 AM
Aug 2012

I deal with the military often in my job with a major aerospace contractor to the DOD. Things are almost always easier, smoother and nicer in terms of temperament, flexibility, ego, schedule, interpretation of contract - everything - when the program manager I'm dealing with is a lady Major or Colonel.

About half the uniformed men I deal with in leadership positions (officer ranks) are rigid, authoritarian, egotistical assholes.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
9. YES!
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:42 AM
Aug 2012

I completely agree. I'm a vet married to a retiree. The women I've worked with were nearly always the more compassionate and effective leaders. Of course, there were exceptions both ways.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
10. This is so wonderful!
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:45 AM
Aug 2012

I'm happy to see a new female general, and I'm glad that she was able to have her spouse with her. A few years ago, she wouldn't have been able to show off her family at any sort of public or military event.

Change takes time, but we are getting there!

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
14. A few years ago she would have been kicked out
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 01:29 PM
Aug 2012

and the service would have been short a good soldier. Bigotry: It hurts all of us.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
15. "The military dropped its 'don’t ask, don’t tell' policy for gay service members..."
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:53 PM
Aug 2012

And but for that, the military would have lost out on all her experience and knowledge, not to mention what we taxpayers have invested in her training!


rocktivity

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
17. First gay general! Hooray!
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:24 PM
Aug 2012

49 year-old general: also pretty cool.

Service members who even attain the exalted star rank usually do so in their 50's. She must be a real powerhouse.

Good luck to her. She's earned her star.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
18. No not the first, but the first to be able to say so openly.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:50 PM
Aug 2012

You're right about the powerhouse. Check the bling.

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
20. Ah! Gay generals. We finally have one we can celebrate openly!
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:35 PM
Aug 2012

About time.

England had Richard the Lionheart (who was actually French)
Classical Greece had Alexander the Great.

Now we have one of our own!

Hi, sarge!

(I was going to put T.E. Lawrence, but I realized he wasn't a general; gifted leader of soldiers, though...)

longship

(40,416 posts)
28. He was an accomplished musician.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:19 AM
Aug 2012

He employed one of J.S. Bach's sons (CPE = Carl Philipp Emanuel) as Capellmeister. Old Bach himself dedicated the Musical Offering to Frederick, the main theme of which was composed "on the spot" by Frederick upon J.S. Bach's visit in May, 1747.

It's a great story told in the introduction to Gödel, Escher, Bach by Douglas R. Hofstadter, the smartest book I've ever read.

But, the take-away here is that Frederick was no dummy. Where have we gone wrong these days when we have people like the Republicans put forth, and the public embraces them?

Sigh! Whatta ya gonna do?

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
19. Can you imagine? A lifetime of service and DADT could've ruined her life.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:44 PM
Aug 2012

Wow, that is incredible. I'm so glad for her.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
23. First in the United States, it says. Okay, then. I was gonna bring up Alexander the Great.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:04 PM
Aug 2012

And Marcus Licinius Crassus (the Roman who crushed the rebellion of Spartacus). Though you could argue they were both bi-sexual.

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
29. I was reading an article about this on a right-wing site
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:57 AM
Aug 2012

and the majority of the comments described what an outrage it is that a treacherous, lying, unreliable fagosexual was allowed to lead normal people. Seems like they're incredibly angry that she presumably answered "No" to the question of whether she was a homosexual when she joined.

1. I wonder what they think of that lying scum Audie Murphy, who falsified his identity documents to support a fraudulent age claim.

2. Since being homosexual is a personal choice, how do they know she didn't just decide to become gay in 1993?

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
53. It doesn't matter what they think
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:15 AM
Aug 2012

If they're in the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps or Coast Guard, what their opinion of General Smith may be is irrelevant.

I learned on my first night of Air Force basic training that you salute the RANK, not necessarily the person wearing it...and one of these kooks, if they're in the military, refusing to salute a Brigadier General because they don't approve of her sexual orientation, can be in big trouble indeed.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
31. I have been to several promotion ceremonies, it is a great
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 06:53 AM
Aug 2012

honour to pin the promotion stripe or star on a loved one. This is wonderful. Bravo Army!!!

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
39. It Really Isn't Fair
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:27 AM
Aug 2012

Think of all the recruits who more or less could of had a career in the service but were outed and then kicked out .. sometimes dishonorably. Why do these career officers who have been in hiding all these years get to reap the benefits that are denied to so many? This means she stood back and watched hundreds of other gay men and women be denied there right to serve while she stayed in hiding. And don't you know that because of her status, that many of the officers who knew, kept it very quiet and protected her. This doesn't happen with recruits. It's bullshit.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
40. Officers got nailed too. I processed a couple of discharges.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:42 AM
Aug 2012

Ask the ghost of TSgt Leonard Matlovich what happened if a gay/lesbian came out. It got ugly and accomplished nothing but another good serviceman kicked out. It took another forty years after he sacrificed himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matlovich

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
42. (popping a salute)
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:04 AM
Aug 2012

As a male, heterosexual former enlisted Airman, I never bought into the fiction that "homosexuality is incompatible with good order and discipline." There have always been homosexuals in the military, the vast majority of which did the same thing as heterosexual Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and Coasties: their job.

General Smith is just proof of what most people in the military have known all along.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
45. Bravo
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:24 PM
Aug 2012

Doesn't get much better than this.

She joins the ranks of Alexander the Great....but on her own terms and as a woman!

Congratulations!!!

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
51. Congratulations but one simple question “having her wife” poses a question, how does the Army
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:58 PM
Aug 2012

determine which is “wife” and which is “husband”?

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