Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:00 PM
Newsjock (9,869 posts)
Appeals Court OKs Warrantless Wiretapping
Source: Wired
The federal government may spy on Americans’ communications without warrants and without fear of being sued, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday in a decision reversing the first and only case that successfully challenged President George W. Bush’s once-secret Terrorist Surveillance Program. “This case effectively brings to an end the plaintiffs’ ongoing attempts to hold the executive branch responsible for intercepting telephone conversations without judicial authorization,” a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals wrote. The case concerned a lower court decision in which two American attorneys — who were working with the now-defunct al-Haramain Islamic Foundation — were awarded more than $20,000 each in damages and their lawyers $2.5 million in legal fees after a tortured legal battle where they proved they were spied on without warrants. They sued under domestic spying laws Congress adopted in the wake of President Richard M. Nixon’s Watergate scandal. The government appealed their victory, and the appeals court Tuesday dismissed the suit and the damages. Read more: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/08/appeals-court-oks-wiretapping/
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21 replies, 2557 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| Newsjock | Aug 2012 | OP | |
| 20score | Aug 2012 | #1 | |
| OnyxCollie | Aug 2012 | #2 | |
| loudsue | Aug 2012 | #3 | |
| KoKo | Aug 2012 | #4 | |
| loudsue | Aug 2012 | #8 | |
| KoKo | Aug 2012 | #21 | |
| stockholmer | Aug 2012 | #13 | |
| woo me with science | Aug 2012 | #18 | |
| truebrit71 | Aug 2012 | #15 | |
| kath | Aug 2012 | #5 | |
| dixiegrrrrl | Aug 2012 | #7 | |
| JoeyT | Aug 2012 | #10 | |
| JDPriestly | Aug 2012 | #9 | |
| 24601 | Aug 2012 | #19 | |
| JDPriestly | Aug 2012 | #20 | |
| malthaussen | Aug 2012 | #6 | |
| lunatica | Aug 2012 | #11 | |
| JustABozoOnThisBus | Aug 2012 | #12 | |
| truebrit71 | Aug 2012 | #14 | |
| Hydra | Aug 2012 | #16 | |
| woo me with science | Aug 2012 | #17 |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:07 PM
OnyxCollie (6,569 posts)
2. Senator Obama voted for retroactive immunity for telecoms.
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Estamos tan jodidos.
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:20 PM
loudsue (12,383 posts)
3. Now that's some shit. The 9th Circuit is one of the most liberal appeals courts in the country,
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and if they're doing this, we are totally screwed.
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Response to loudsue (Reply #3)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:56 PM
KoKo (69,522 posts)
4. Ahh...but what else is new...we've been screwed for Decades now....
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We shall have to see what Obama tells us he will do to rectify this in his Second Administration.
SURELY...He HEARS our CRIES! |
Response to KoKo (Reply #4)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:05 AM
loudsue (12,383 posts)
8. Hello friend!
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We have to get together for coffee one day when I'm down in the big city. I hope all is well with you!
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Response to loudsue (Reply #8)
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:17 PM
KoKo (69,522 posts)
21. I know...it's been since the Kerry/Edwards Rally...
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So much has gone beyond since then. I think of those days as the HOPE...for something better where we might have had chance to stop Bush.
But...it was not to be...and Edwards imploded after that along with his "Two America's Message." Still ...it's good to see Edwards Message Morph into 1% and OCCUPY. Even though Edwards was a dud with terrible personal problems......there's something still there out of the "message" that was created for him. We have to hope..... Good to see you. |
Response to KoKo (Reply #4)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:50 AM
stockholmer (3,751 posts)
13. "We shall have to see what Obama tells us he will do to rectify this in his Second Administration"
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Hope you can you can hold your breath for at least 8 years (Obama's 4 more, plus Jeb BushCo or another Re-Thug's first term).
The US Constitution is going down like the or perhaps I missed your |
Response to KoKo (Reply #4)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:29 PM
woo me with science (19,618 posts)
18. You mean the President
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Last edited Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:32 PM USA/ET - Edit history (3) *who sent his Justice Dept. to the Supreme Court to argue FOR warrantless GPS surveillance and strip searches for any arrestee?
*who has publicly defended and joked about TSA groping? *whose administration remained silent about a federally coordinated, nationwide, violent crackdown on OWS? *who signed his approval of indefinite detention? *who oversees "kill lists"/targeted assassination of US citizens? *under whose administration the NSA is building a massive spy center for warrantless access to the email and phone calls of all Americans? *who has approved or overseen proliferation of drones in American skies, grants for provision of military drones to police departments, and general militarization of our police forces? *who signed the internet-censoring ACTA and then tried to hide it from the American press by claiming "national security"? *who supported Joe Lieberman's CISPA-like cybercensorship bill even before the mild privacy-protecting measures touted by the press were added to it? *whose administration is quietly moving forward with plans for an internet ID? .......That President? I'm sure he'll get right on it. |
Response to loudsue (Reply #3)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:59 AM
truebrit71 (16,911 posts)
15. Yup, and how....
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...holy fuck!
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:01 PM
kath (7,803 posts)
5. That ol' Fourth Amendment sure was nice while it lasted...
Response to kath (Reply #5)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:38 PM
dixiegrrrrl (30,856 posts)
7. Do we have ANY parts of the Consittution left to us????
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This is nauseating, frightening, disgusting.
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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #7)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 05:45 AM
JoeyT (4,549 posts)
10. Well, you can still buy a gun.
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So the 2nd is still there.
The 3rd might still exist, but only on a technicality. You can't be forced to quarter troops in your home if we aren't at war, but it looks like we're going to be in a war for the next few decades, so I dunno how you'd check. |
Response to kath (Reply #5)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:19 AM
JDPriestly (37,760 posts)
9. People worry about the 2nd Amendment when they really should
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be worried about the 1st and 4th Amendments.
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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #9)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:33 PM
24601 (2,492 posts)
19. And about how they would ultimately be unable to defend the 1st & 4th without the 2nd.
Response to 24601 (Reply #19)
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 03:25 PM
JDPriestly (37,760 posts)
20. If you look at the videos of the assaults on the Occupiers, you will
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quickly realize that you cannot defend the 1st and 4th Amendments with 18th century, 19th century technologies like rifles or even 20th century technologies like AK 47s.
Whether or not the Second Amendment is inviolate is no longer the issue. We are way beyond it. Drones, electronic surveillance, mind control, these are the authoritarian weapons of the future. Guns are not that relevant. |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:31 PM
malthaussen (2,227 posts)
6. Yay, hooray. Let's all celebrate!
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 06:54 AM
lunatica (28,852 posts)
11. Sigh...
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Well at least we know it's official now. The Truth is always a good thing to know.
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 08:35 AM
JustABozoOnThisBus (9,918 posts)
12. Interesting financial split with the lawyers
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20 grand for the plaintiffs, 2.5 million for the lawyers? Way better than the usual 30-50% split.
Regardless of the financials, this is a big hit against the 4th amendment. One more slap after the "Patriot" act. |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:58 AM
truebrit71 (16,911 posts)
14. I don't understand how you can read the 4th amendment and square this argument to it...
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..I guess it really is "just a piece of goddamned paper" after all....
What a sad, sad day for America... |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 07:39 PM
Hydra (9,441 posts)
16. It's official!
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You were always watched before, but now it's "legal" despite it being "unconstitutional."
Let's see...torture, domestic spying, strip searches, "show me your papers," assassination all legal now. Did we miss anything that the "Reds" or the Nazis were doing? |
Response to Newsjock (Original post)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:07 PM
woo me with science (19,618 posts)
17. Had enough yet, America?
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Is it serious yet?
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