Wis. police say shootings at Sikh temple treated as domestic terrorism, FBI to investigate

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just another hopeless lost soul.

hail him as a hero.

Talk about your Domestic Terrorist Organizations...they are prime examples.

Myself, I'm reserving judgement until I hear what Rush has to say. ( Where the hell is that sarcasm thingie when you need it).

who is also promoting hatred. That said, I'm holding out judgment and sending much love and prayers to Oak Creek.

But the Aurora shootings were not?
But clinic bombings are not?
Police raids that result in innocent people getting killed are not?

Seriously, these fucks need to actually define what they mean by 'terrorism'.

This sick fuck targeted a religious gathering, not a random bunch of people like in Aurora.

The Aurora shooting -- More of a "thrill kill" since there didn't seem to be a political objective.

The Wisconsin shootings are an act of terrorism because the message is "get out or else".

I have $10 that says he thought he was mowing down muslims.

and saying it's a plot to pin it on them and take away their goddamn guns,....AGAIN....

That's ALL THEY CARE ABOUT.

If they have ANY fear at all that former is the case, then probably the LATTER is what needs to happen, or else they need to get their house in order over on their side. That party needs a Buckley-type again BIG-TIME (I know he could be an asshole, but at least he kept the crazier among them in check with the weapons of Public Ridicule and Scholarship.)

Even if this guy kept a diary of all the reasons he thought that Rush and Beck and all the others WANTED him to take this action, they will just say
"Well, WE'RE not responsible for the actions of a crazy person, we NEVER wanted anyone to go out and kill people. And if he THOUGHT that's what we wanted, well, that means he's CRAZY, because we never said anything of the sort (and if we did, non-crazy people know that we're just kidding around when we say stuff like that, it's for entertainment purposes.)

Can a person be charged with violation of the RICO statutes as a mechanism of CIVIL litigation or a Class Action lawsuit?

Imagine memos from the NRA going out to Right Wing Talkers being used to establish an organization under the law.

Therefore each member of that organization is guilty of a crime by even one member of that organization.

We'll find out soon enough.

From the New York Times:

The Sikh community around the country has seen an increase in bias attacks since Sept. 11, 2001, with its members often confused for Muslims. In fact, the Sikh religion does not have its roots in the Middle East but in Punjab, India. Many faithful often let their beards grow long and, in keeping with their faith, wear turbans.

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In the last year alone, Mr. Crowley said in the letter, two Sikh men in Sacramento were murdered, a Sikh temple in Michigan was vandalized and a Sikh man was beaten in New York.

My thoughts: We all know who is behind not just this mass shooting, but the other attacks on Sikhs based on the mistaken assumption by their idiot attackers that they are Muslim. The crazies are getting crazier all the time, they're being encited and pumped up by numerous statements and direct political ads generated by the political party that shall not be named. And they have total access to complete arsenals, compliments of the NRA and same-mentioned political party. It is only going to get worse.

Have you noticed that in some of the media and comments out there? These wingnuts think that Sikhs are Muslims, to they attack them. But I rarely see what SHOULD follow those statements in the media.. that's there are millions and millions of peaceful people who follow the Muslim faith, and do not deserve to be targeted either.

From my point of view, the entire "political party that shall not be named" is complicit or in fact a full partner in perpetrating racist-based attacks on Sikhs, Muslims, Jews and other ethnic groups. They wink, they smile, they say "hey, that's not what I meant", or "I was just kidding", but the message is clear.

they are SO obsessed with the Muslim thing. It comes into every convo we have.. she cannot resist saying that the President is a "secret Muslim." Of course he's not. But truly what if he was? Why would anyone have to keep their religion a secret? We have Muslim people in all areas of our community, in all kinds of jobs, etc. Did people think that Kareem Abdul Jabar was a terrorist? Of course not. I think the bigger conversation that needs to happen in the media, is why it seems understandable that people would attack others because they're Muslim.

The Monday talking point will be about this guy's race and Obama making every white male out as a domestic terrorist.


This entire thing has me so sad, close to tears,so just in case my guess is true, I may just do a media blackout until Randi Rhodes airs.

our culture of violence is getting uglier and uglier. with our history of vicious slavery, wild west native american eradication programs, lynchings, burnings, kkk terrorism, enforced racial segregation that engendered a very mean spirited culture that never quite went away, a gun culture second to none on this planet and people unhinged by the right wing twits mentioned above, I see things getting worse with the disenfranchised right wing individuals of america. Obama being elected at least has shown what the vicious, racist underbelly of america looks like. Sikh's are good people. I have personally met some. They are some vicious, brave warriors in their own right though, so I don't think it bodes well trying to intimidate them. The 'melting pot', yeah right

that criteria also?

Your support of the 1st Amendment is touching. Suppose be believed that his marching orders came from something said on MSNBC - you still for kicking them off the air? For the record, I'm for leaving the Constitution alone and concentrating instead on identifying those intent on violence.

someone on DU with brains and common sense.

always trying to turn attention to something completely unrelated. Right wing nuts are going bananas thinking Obama might get a second term. their boy romtwit REALLY doesn't give a damn about whats decent and right, he's just about giving himself and the rich more.. Your OP makes me wonder because the ft. hood shooting was a military matter. I'm for keeping hatemongers feet to the fire and shining light on their dirty, evil intentions. all those right wing radio and television hacks need their real intentions known so that they can be disenfrachised.

The airwaves are a finite resource. This nonsenese about how folks 'can' get alternative viewpoints elsewhere is irrelevent to the discussion because folks are NOT getting their viewpoints from elsewhere.

And that is as sound an argument anyone can make for the Fairness Doctrine - the premise behind doing away with it was then, and is now, FALSE.

acts of terror, one domestic and one international - but both linked to Al Qaeda.

It has not been conclusively proven that 911 was NOT some false flag operation. I still don't believe it was terrorists/ just ours, BUSH< CHENEY RUMSFELD AND ROVE.

wish people would not rely on Faux news.

But there is something that does need to be dealt with.

Has anyone heard Rachel Maddow call for people to be killed? Cenk? Alan Colmes?

The problem that, despite the fact I agree with you, is that many are calling for VIOLENCE against liberals. Not argument, killing.

Just curious what the standard is for mass killings now. Will the hospitals waive the fees for the injured? Will famous people go to the Sikh community there? Will we be getting the stories of the heros involved, and the life stories of those that were lost today?

The Sikh community there deserves every bit as much public outpouring of sympathy and love, as any community that has suffered through a mass tragedy like this. Curious to see how people respond, because they are different and not the Nancy Grace, made-for-Tv victims that the media capitalizes on.. and that is really sad.

you are so right

Timothy McVeigh was a member for a reason.

to be pointed out that NOT Muslim or Non Christian is a terrorist. AND an attack on non christian citizens like this event should be viewed as a domestic terrorist attack.


We have a culture of hate speech in this country from Radio personality to TV personality TO ACTUAL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REP--MIchelle Bachmann that needs to be addressed.


I will again state I am sorry for the families that had to go through that terrible event today.

The story I read a moment ago mentions that the police ascertained from tattoos on the killer's body that he was racist.

Right-wing lunacy strikes again. On Yahoo the crazies are all jumping up and down waving their arms, yelling nobody is going to take my guns from me. A significant portion of our population appears to have gone totally insane.

This is not just a metaphor, but a direct result of their policies, their economics, and their racism. The GOP MUST be held 100% accountable for this tragedy, and every figure in the party must be tied to this atrocity for the rest of their lives.