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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:47 PM

As Eagle Scouts return medals, gay ban still firm

Source: AP-Excite

By DAVID CRARY

NEW YORK (AP) - For the physician in Illinois, the attorney in Kentucky, the arts editor in Oregon, their Eagle Scout medals were treasured reminders of youthful achievement. Yet each is parting with his medal out of dismay over the Boy Scouts' recently reaffirmed policy of excluding gays.

"I can no longer maintain any connection to an organization which actively promotes such a bigoted and misguided policy," Dr. Robert Wise of Chicago wrote to Scout headquarters in Texas. "To that end, I am interested in removing all evidence that I was ever a Scout."

Wise, 59, is among several dozen former Eagle Scouts who have taken such steps following the July 17 announcement that the Boy Scouts of America, after a confidential two-year review, were sticking with the divisive, long-standing policy of excluding openly gay youth and adults as members and leaders.

Another of the protesters is attorney Jackson Cooper, 32, a former senior patrol leader of Troop 342 in his hometown of Louisville, Ky. In an open letter, he said he was unsure if any of his fellow Scouts were gay.

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Reply As Eagle Scouts return medals, gay ban still firm (Original post)
Omaha Steve Aug 2012 OP
MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #1
goclark Aug 2012 #2
NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #3
SoapBox Aug 2012 #7
xchrom Aug 2012 #4
mwooldri Aug 2012 #5
MADem Aug 2012 #8
SoapBox Aug 2012 #6
yardwork Aug 2012 #9
sarcasmo Aug 2012 #10
drynberg Aug 2012 #11
naaman fletcher Aug 2012 #12
roody Aug 2012 #13
naaman fletcher Aug 2012 #17
roody Aug 2012 #18
mwooldri Aug 2012 #19
roody Aug 2012 #14
yellowcanine Aug 2012 #15
davepc Aug 2012 #16

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 03:03 PM

1. My nephew's scout troop is looking into

marching in the local gay pride parade, wearing rainbow armbands or whatnot.

Great idea.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 03:06 PM

2. Excellent!

Yea for them.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 04:00 PM

3. I remember my troop gave the finger to the National Council

and told us they didn't care if anyone was gay nor did they care if you believed in God or not. Didn't stay long enough to get Eagle Scout but I'd probably be doing the same thing anyway.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 05:25 PM

7. I dropped out when I got to the Eagle level...

I only remember that those guys were creepy and mean.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 04:24 PM

4. du rec. nt

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 04:25 PM

5. Here's an idea. Scout troops leave the American organization.

Last edited Sun Aug 5, 2012, 04:54 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

And join the UK organisation instead.

I've never been associated with the Scouts, but AFAIK Robert Baden Powell meant Scouting to be for everyone, regardless of creed, color, or class. The Scout Association (as it is known in the UK, and open to both boys and girls) is welcoming to all, regardless of creed, colour, ability, class, race, gender, and sexual identity.

Maybe if some Scout troops would leave the Boy Scouts of America and apply for membership of the Scout Association in the UK as an overseas member - that would be a solution? Or form a breakaway independent of the world movement - Baden-Powell Scouts of America perhaps?

I know it is really a temporary solution and I am sure the American organization will come around soon. But for some soon is not soon enough.

Edit. Baden-Powell Service Association of the USA does actually exist. For legal reasons they can't use "Scout" in their name but bpsa-us.org is their website. A Scouting organization that ironically came about as part of a schism much earlier on, and they *have* moved with the times to be inclusive to everyone. So Boy Scout troops who want to be inclusive, do so by disaffiliating with BSA and affiliating instead with BPSA.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:07 PM

8. That's not an idea...that's a GOOD idea!! nt

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 05:24 PM

6. ...just a bit more time

and they will be wearing white robes, pointed hats, burning crosses AND giving a nazi salute.

They're really turing into a hate group, THAT, has hidden perverts and child molesters.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:26 PM

9. Here's the reason:

From the link:

The leadership of the Scouts' most influential religious partners - notably the Mormons, Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists - appears to support the policy. And even liberal politicians seem reluctant to press the issue amid a tense national election campaign.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 07:52 PM

10. Bigotry, promoted by Jesus followers.

Because Jesus says so, let it be so.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 09:06 PM

11. WHAT I DID WHEN THE BS CAME OUT AGAINST GAYS

Every year I gave a share of my pay to the United Fund, but I wrote that the $$ be not given at all to the Boy Scouts because of their bigoted actions against gays. I encouraged those around me to do the same. De-Fund the Haters. It's a start...

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Response to drynberg (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:28 PM

12. Money is fungible, you didn't acheive anything/ nt

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:00 AM

13. It is a symbolic action

And moves us forward. I am going to do the same.

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Response to roody (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:07 PM

17. I prefer

to just not give to the United Way. What do they do besides take a cut of the action and pressure employers to pressure their employees to give?

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:56 PM

18. Good question.

I signed on for 50 per year over a decade ago. I think I'll look into it.

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Response to roody (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 8, 2012, 07:42 PM

19. When there was some United Way controversy a good few years ago...

... my employer cut direct links with them. As employees at gift giving time we can still choose United Way but as long as it is a registered charity that isn't religious and doesn't promote hate... they will allow us to direct our donations to where-ever we choose, United Way or not. Give direct where possible. Personally I'd do it anonymously but the darned stupid tax code gets in the way.

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Response to drynberg (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:01 AM

14. Great idea. Will do.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:30 AM

15. This is the same organization which failed to protect scouts from pedophiles.

http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Boy-Scout-files-reveal-continued-abuse-3764834.php

Instead of focusing on gays maybe they should pay more attention to the actual threats?

Like the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts have failed to protect children, all the while maintaining that we have to fear gay people.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:14 PM

16. I wish I knew where mine was so I could do the same.

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