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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:39 PM

Star Member zazen (1,678 posts)

Vast international child-porn network uncovered

Source: Associated Press (via Raleigh News & Observer)

What they found on Arnett's computer was unlike anything some of the investigators had ever come across: long, graphic, online chats about his desire to abduct, kill and eat children. They said he had also made photos of a naked 2-year-old boy in a roasting pan inside his oven. The child and two other boys Arnett allegedly abused and photographed were later identified and found alive.

In July, authorities arrested four men they say had online discussions with Arnett about kidnapping and eating children. Those arrested included Ronald Brown, a children's puppeteer from Largo, Fla. (A YouTube video shows Brown during an appearance on a Christian TV kids show in the 1980s. In the video, he tells a child puppet that he did the right thing by refusing to look at "dirty pictures" some other youngsters tried to show him.)

In excerpts of an online chat between Arnett and Brown from 2011, the two men appear to be discussing their desire to cook a child for Easter.

"he would make a fine Easter feast," Arnett says. "yes, his thighs and butt cheeks would be fantastic for Easter," Brown responds.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/08/04/2244828/vast-international-child-porn.html#storylink=cpy

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/08/04/2244828/vast-international-child-porn.html


God help us. I'm at such a loss when I read horrific stories such as these.

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Reply Vast international child-porn network uncovered (Original post)
 zazen Aug 2012 OP
LineReply A dude from around here was popped in the same bust
 XemaSab Aug 2012 #1
LineReply Sick bastards. I am normally against the death penalty. I would make an exception in this case.
 MADem Aug 2012 #2
LineLineReply Not sick
 customerserviceguy Aug 2012 #4
LineLineLineReply Once a perv, always a perv.
 BlueToTheBone Aug 2012 #12
LineLineLineLineReply Thank you.
 chervilant Aug 2012 #25
LineLineLineLineLineReply Why wasn't he busted?
 Archae Aug 2012 #29
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply There are several reasons.
 chervilant Aug 2012 #35
LineLineLineLineLineReply I'm so sorry that is happening to you.
 BlueToTheBone Aug 2012 #36
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply I appreciate your post.
 chervilant Aug 2012 #38
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply May his death bring healing
 BlueToTheBone Aug 2012 #44
LineLineLineNew Reply What is "evil"?
 primavera Aug 2012 #49
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Evil is not genetic
 customerserviceguy Aug 2012 #50
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Evil is an emotional response to perceived stimuli.
 ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #51
LineLineNew Reply Because it is almost impossible
 BlueToTheBone Aug 2012 #45
LineReply The people who examine these photos and watch and listen to these videos over and over to find a
 Brickbat Aug 2012 #3
LineLineReply I feel for the investigators in this case.
 Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #9
LineReply Read the story at the first link. This is solid police work!
 Citizen Worker Aug 2012 #5
LineReply This message was self-deleted by its author
 cliffordu Aug 2012 #6
LineReply This part is disturbing
 azurnoir Aug 2012 #7
LineLineReply yeah, that bothered me too
 zazen Aug 2012 #13
LineLineReply Parents don't need to be licensed.
 MADem Aug 2012 #15
LineLineLineNew Reply I hate to say, but a lot of pregnancies are simply unplanned.
 Selatius Aug 2012 #47
LineLineReply Sickening
 SoapBox Aug 2012 #19
LineLineReply Hoo-wee, cannot imagine any mom sending a 2-yr-old to this guy for a whole weekend --
 Nay Aug 2012 #32
LineLineNew Reply That's more common than you think...
 Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #48
LineReply Any ets as to how many are Teabaggers?
 Archae Aug 2012 #8
LineLineReply I'm guessing politics aren't their thing.
 sadbear Aug 2012 #10
LineLineLineReply You are guessing wrong
 siligut Aug 2012 #18
LineReply This article made me cry
 lunatica Aug 2012 #11
LineLineReply I know--it can collapse your spirit
 zazen Aug 2012 #16
LineReply I hate that this leads me to mistrust men who work with children
 zazen Aug 2012 #14
LineLineReply I worked for TX Dept of Child Protective Services as a caseworker for just over five years
 LanternWaste Aug 2012 #40
LineLineLineReply y'all are doing the Lord's work
 zazen Aug 2012 #41
LineReply Florida. Florida. Florida.
 Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #17
LineLineReply These people were all over
 XemaSab Aug 2012 #22
LineReply Here's the FB to Ronald Brown, the children's puppeteer from Florida...
 Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #20
LineLineReply AGHH-Look at his July 9 "friending"!!
 zazen Aug 2012 #21
LineLineReply FB page taken down
 wordpix Aug 2012 #33
LineReply Public horse whippings are in order
 The Wizard Aug 2012 #23
LineReply it is just beyond disgusting
 cindyperry2010 Aug 2012 #24
LineReply I feel sick.
 PDJane Aug 2012 #26
LineReply Basically I consider myself a non violent person
 Bluzmann57 Aug 2012 #27
LineReply Brain Aberration
 elbloggoZY27 Aug 2012 #28
LineReply A genuine real life monster.
 NEOBuckeye Aug 2012 #30
LineReply Yow. Every couple of months a new kid porn network is busted.
 Kablooie Aug 2012 #31
LineLineReply I spoke with a woman who works with troubled
 BlueToTheBone Aug 2012 #37
LineReply what can you say but put in the worst cell in prison with no parole
 wordpix Aug 2012 #34
LineReply wtf................
 Marrah_G Aug 2012 #39
LineNew Reply it's truly mind boggling how twisted the human brain can become
 NoMoreWarNow Aug 2012 #42
LineNew Reply I have no words.
 Quantess Aug 2012 #43
LineNew Reply kicking for a reminder
 Whisp Aug 2012 #46

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:42 PM

Star Member XemaSab (57,416 posts)

1. A dude from around here was popped in the same bust

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:43 PM

MADem (86,120 posts)

2. Sick bastards. I am normally against the death penalty. I would make an exception in this case.

And I'd sleep just fine, too.

Beyond horrific.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:01 PM

customerserviceguy (14,715 posts)

4. Not sick

Evil. And I share your wish for the DP for these pervs, but the SCOTUS has said that unless they also kill, child rapists cannot be sentenced to a just death.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:26 PM

Star Member BlueToTheBone (2,358 posts)

12. Once a perv, always a perv.

There should never be a free day for any of those found to be child molesters.

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Response to BlueToTheBone (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:36 PM

Star Member chervilant (4,016 posts)

25. Thank you.

My abuser is still walking around free, and too many of my family members still make excuses for his behavior.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 06:20 PM

Archae (26,393 posts)

29. Why wasn't he busted?

Or was/is he a "pillar of the community?"

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:11 AM

Star Member chervilant (4,016 posts)

35. There are several reasons.

First, he was my brother-in-law (my sister did divorce him, because he was also a batterer). Second, everyone in the family called him "Ace," because they all thought he was all that and a bag of chips. Third, my father was an alcoholic, abusive man. Geez, I could go on, and on. Suffice it to say, he perped on me and my two sisters, and we're still dealing with the consequences.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:11 PM

Star Member BlueToTheBone (2,358 posts)

36. I'm so sorry that is happening to you.

It's amazing that people can't see beyond the facade. When I worked with foster kids, I foundthat you can not tell a pedophile by the way they look. Only when you get to know them can you see the little "tells" of their terrible sickness. He should be quarantined to protect the rest of society, you especially.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:34 PM

Star Member chervilant (4,016 posts)

38. I appreciate your post.

My abuser is near the end of his life on this planet. He must go to his grave with the knowledge that he perped on three little girls (that we know of). His children (my nieces and nephew) must make their peace with this sordid family history. My sisters (the other two survivors of his sickness) have continued to deny that the abuse affected them in any way. Meanwhile, they have serious trust, anger, intimacy and power issues that directly relate to the abuse.

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Wed Aug 8, 2012, 08:59 AM

Star Member BlueToTheBone (2,358 posts)

44. May his death bring healing

to you and your family.
Namaste

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Tue Aug 28, 2012, 11:49 AM

primavera (5,138 posts)

49. What is "evil"?

Is there an "evil" gene in some people's chromosomes? Or are we going to degenerate into religious superstition and claim that it's the work of Satan? No, there is no such thing as "evil"; these guys are sick - terribly, horrifically, heartbreakingly sick and, with our primitive understanding of mental illness, probably incurably so.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:07 AM

customerserviceguy (14,715 posts)

50. Evil is not genetic

But we know it when we see it. How come a lot of the "They're sick" types like yourself have trouble recognizing evil in a brutal criminal, yet have no trouble distinguishing it in a bankster?

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Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:59 AM

Star Member ZombieHorde (23,858 posts)

51. Evil is an emotional response to perceived stimuli.

Evil comes from the observer, not the thing being observed.

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Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:01 AM

Star Member BlueToTheBone (2,358 posts)

45. Because it is almost impossible

to rehabilitate a pedophile, I have to agree. Either that or life without parole.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:56 PM

Brickbat (14,423 posts)

3. The people who examine these photos and watch and listen to these videos over and over to find a

clue are heroes, straight up.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:23 PM

Star Member Spitfire of ATJ (7,392 posts)

9. I feel for the investigators in this case.

There was an episode of Miami Vice where Crocket had to get into the mind of a guy breaking into homes and he almost went insane.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/51373

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:02 PM

Citizen Worker (1,785 posts)

5. Read the story at the first link. This is solid police work!

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:11 PM

Star Member azurnoir (26,663 posts)

7. This part is disturbing

The mother of one of the boys said she initially did not believe the allegations against Arnett, a family friend for about 15 years. She said her son, now 7, and several nephews often spent weekends at Arnett's home four or five years ago.

"Well, when we first got the phone call, we thought there's no way. You guys got the wrong guy," she said. The Associated Press does not identify victims of sexual abuse or their families.

But then investigators showed her photos Arnett had allegedly taken of her son with a shirt and no pants.

"Regret? For sending my son with a sick-minded guy, that's the only regret I have. I had no idea," she said. "It's depressing."


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/08/04/2244828/vast-international-child-porn.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

so she did not find it strange somehow that this guy apparently wanted to spend weekends with a 2 year old that was not a relative?

and the most she can utter is that it's depressing?!!?! what about the damage done to her son?

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:27 PM

Star Member zazen (1,678 posts)

13. yeah, that bothered me too

I like to think she's in shock.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:33 PM

MADem (86,120 posts)

15. Parents don't need to be licensed.

Not that I think they should be, but a lot of people would do well to take a parenting class BEFORE they make the decision to have children. Maybe some of them would decide to eschew the opportunity.

That's an obtuse, or lazy, or irresponsible, or uncaring, parent. She shouldn't be depressed, she should be HORRIFIED, angry, enraged.

She sounds like she's bummed because she lost the free babysitter so she could go out bar-hopping, or something...

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Tue Aug 28, 2012, 11:38 AM

Selatius (20,440 posts)

47. I hate to say, but a lot of pregnancies are simply unplanned.

Whether or not people decide to change their habits after they have children is a whole different story altogether. Many don't.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:55 PM

SoapBox (5,825 posts)

19. Sickening

and the mother, like so many involved in the Catholic Perv Cult...how could a family friend/priest/football coach/etc. do such things?

Amazing.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:01 AM

Nay (5,722 posts)

32. Hoo-wee, cannot imagine any mom sending a 2-yr-old to this guy for a whole weekend --

as others here have said, didn't ANY bells start ringing in her head about why an adult male actively wanted her 2-yr-old boy for a whole weekend? It could ONLY be for ugly reasons, lady! Normal guys are out with women, playing football, going to the bars, surfing the net, etc. -- they aren't trolling for 2-yr-olds!!!!!!

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Tue Aug 28, 2012, 11:43 AM

Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)

48. That's more common than you think...

Because the most dangerous molesters are always kind, charming, generous and 100% trustworthy...The abuse doesn't start ten seconds after meeting the child, he slowly and methodically works his way into the parents and child's friendship...

Always in a bust like this, you can count on the standard "HIM? Arrested? How can that be? He was always so good with kids! I would have trusted him with my own!!" -from a neighbor

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:20 PM

Archae (26,393 posts)

8. Any ets as to how many are Teabaggers?

I'd say 99 -100%.

Oh and they're all "good Christians."

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:25 PM

sadbear (4,220 posts)

10. I'm guessing politics aren't their thing.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:48 PM

Star Member siligut (11,135 posts)

18. You are guessing wrong

Some people go into politics for the power just as some people abuse children for the power, this also applies to some people who are drawn to religion. There has been a good deal of frustration for people who want to help these children due to these powerful people.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:26 PM

lunatica (28,852 posts)

11. This article made me cry

Put every last one of them behind bars forever. Just throw away the key.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:36 PM

Star Member zazen (1,678 posts)

16. I know--it can collapse your spirit

And yet there are humans who risk life and limb to stop these monstrosities. That, and the survivors who _don't_ grow up to molest but come out of it helping other survivors, gives me hope.

But the story (and photos of) a "bound two-year-old boy" who was raped?

It's so hard not to want to hack these monsters to death with a dull axe. If I were the parent, they'd have to incarcerate me or drug me into oblivion. Those poor babies.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:32 PM

Star Member zazen (1,678 posts)

14. I hate that this leads me to mistrust men who work with children

I really dislike that I have this reaction. It's not fair to good men who seek careers that involve kids, but it's a truism that all child molesters try to get work that gives them exposure to this "supply." Most men who work with children aren't child molesters, but all child molesters find ways to work with children. So, maybe it's 0.001% of men, but I still find myself mentally reflecting on every guy I know in pediatrics, child therapy, elementary school, etc., and wondering if they're secretly the monster whom no one ever suspected.

Truly, I hate myself for doing this, but what parent wouldn't have this worry?

How do y'all handle this?

Women can molest too, but it tends to be pubescent guys or they're in the pedophilia network for the money. I just don't think it's anywhere near the percentage of pedophiles who are male.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:43 PM

LanternWaste (16,340 posts)

40. I worked for TX Dept of Child Protective Services as a caseworker for just over five years

"How do y'all handle this? "

I worked for TX Dept of Child Protective Services as a caseworker for just over five years. When my five-year review came up, I finally realized I'd either have to quit, or I would become an alcoholic. So I suppose that in the long run, I didn't deal with it, I just walked away from it, and have since repressed a lot of things I saw and memories I had.




"I hate that this leads me to mistrust men who work with children..."

Don't. When it comes to child abuse, both sexes seemed equally represented, but in the myriad of molestation cases I reviewed, there was only one instance of an adult female being involved-- all other cases were perpetrated by adult males.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 03:34 PM

Star Member zazen (1,678 posts)

41. y'all are doing the Lord's work

as we like to say.

It's appalling that the people who do this work are understaffed, underpaid, overworked, and rather organizationally powerless. This is some of the most difficult work around. I have a relative who's a family services social worker in Appalachia and the stories are bloodcurdling. This person also has to adopt every abandoned animal these drug abusing parents leave behind (the children get temporary homes). I've told her she needs to apply for non-profit status since she's at about 15 animals now. She even rescued someone's abandoned pet tarantula!

Thank you for sticking it out five years. I couldn't have stuck it out five hours.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:48 PM

Star Member Baitball Blogger (11,299 posts)

17. Florida. Florida. Florida.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:03 PM

Star Member XemaSab (57,416 posts)

22. These people were all over

including Northern California.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:57 PM

Drunken Irishman (24,587 posts)

20. Here's the FB to Ronald Brown, the children's puppeteer from Florida...

http://www.facebook.com/ronald.w.brown.39

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:01 PM

Star Member zazen (1,678 posts)

21. AGHH-Look at his July 9 "friending"!!

And he leaves it up for the world to see?

See, I'd become so obsessive with this. The little boy in the photo is clearly the son of the real new "FB friend," but why was he friending the Dad? To get to the little boy? It's a natural conclusion!

I feel like a voyeur but I want to comb through this monster's FB postings to see what I can glean that would help me predict this in others.

What a weird age in which we live.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:08 AM

wordpix (12,478 posts)

33. FB page taken down

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:18 PM

Star Member The Wizard (7,019 posts)

23. Public horse whippings are in order

and may the victims get as much help as necessary to make sense of the world in which they live.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:27 PM

cindyperry2010 (792 posts)

24. it is just beyond disgusting

the damage that happens when people do this

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:37 PM

Star Member PDJane (8,804 posts)

26. I feel sick.

The people who have to dig through the muck on the computers, noting every detail, so that these people can be brought to justice are saints. Nineteen weeks? What kind of person looks at a 19 week old baby and sees a sex object?

The kind of people who need that kind of control over another person, and who can convince themselves that they really 'love' children (and most of them do), are just beyond my ability to grant sympathy. Can't do it. Even when I know, intellectually, what drives a person, I can't do it.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:43 PM

Star Member Bluzmann57 (11,578 posts)

27. Basically I consider myself a non violent person

But in this case, I would be willing to put a gun to these things heads and pull the trigger. Note-I call them things because it's hard to believe a human would consider actually eating children. I want to beat these creatures to within an inch of their lives and then just throw them in with some piranhas or something. This is just a sick story. Very glad the police arrested them.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:33 PM

elbloggoZY27 (283 posts)

28. Brain Aberration

 

I recently have read some very interesting articles about the human brain and it's extreme complexity.

Surely I am a lay person in this area but find what in this case a very extreme case at best. What is actually going on in the Brains of these offenders is way past my knowledge.

Those men or women in some cases who commit these extreme acts or fantasies are surely not operating in what is normal to the vast majority of us.

Not to many years ago a Mother sexually attacked and killed her Daughters friend who came to visit.

I am surely admitting that these type of crimes are the most horrific, ugly and vile by any standard.

However, killing these perpetrators may rid our society of them permanently but to have Behavioral Scientists and Forensic Psychiatrists examine & study them may be more productive to understand what makes them tick.

At the present though finding them and locking them up if convicted at least protects our children to some degree.

In closing, way to many crimes against children are perpetrated every day here in the United States and around the world. These truly vile abominations must be stopped.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:22 AM

NEOBuckeye (2,353 posts)

30. A genuine real life monster.

Last edited Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:24 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

What a very sick man. The Boogeyman manifest.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:58 AM

Star Member Kablooie (8,859 posts)

31. Yow. Every couple of months a new kid porn network is busted.

How many of these things are there?
They are popping up like hydra heads.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:13 PM

Star Member BlueToTheBone (2,358 posts)

37. I spoke with a woman who works with troubled

kids and she tells me that older kids are getting young children involved with watching/looking at porn. I was stunned.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:09 AM

wordpix (12,478 posts)

34. what can you say but put in the worst cell in prison with no parole

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:38 PM

Star Member Marrah_G (22,446 posts)

39. wtf................

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 03:52 PM

NoMoreWarNow (892 posts)

42. it's truly mind boggling how twisted the human brain can become

I wish we knew more about what causes this and what we can do to prevent it.

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 05:52 PM

Quantess (23,978 posts)

43. I have no words.

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Mon Aug 27, 2012, 07:15 PM

Whisp (17,196 posts)

46. kicking for a reminder

how sick and vile and numerous these creatures of filth are.

anything even HINTING at child porn or abuse should not be acceptable.

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