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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 04:55 AM

Star Member Judi Lynn (77,575 posts)

Mississippi governor: wedding ban on black couple was 'unfortunate'

Source: Associated Press

Mississippi governor: wedding ban on black couple was 'unfortunate'

Phil Bryant said the denial of a wedding for Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson by a church has tainted Mississippi's image

Associated Press in Philadelphia, Mississippi
guardian.co.uk, Friday 3 August 2012 03.56 EDT

Mississippi governor Phil Bryant has said it was "unfortunate" that a predominantly white church in the state wouldn't allow a black couple to get married in its sanctuary, adding that the state should encourage the union of any couple – as long as it is made up of a man and a woman.

Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson say they weren't allowed to marry in July at First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs, a small town south of Jackson.

The Rev Stan Weatherford, pastor of the church, married the Wilsons at a church nearby. The wedding was moved after some congregants at First Baptist told Weatherford they opposed allowing black people to marry in the church.

"As hard as we work to try to convince the rest of the world that Mississippi has changed – and, in fact, we have – to see an unfortunate situation like that occur is very disappointing," Bryant said on Thursday.


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/03/mississippi-governor-wedding-ban-unfortunate

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Reply Mississippi governor: wedding ban on black couple was 'unfortunate' (Original post)
 Judi Lynn Aug 2012 OP
LineReply It is sad that in this day and age this continues
 Sherman A1 Aug 2012 #1
LineReply His "apology" is also "unfortunate."
 Behind the Aegis Aug 2012 #2
LineLineReply Some prejudices are more equal than others.
 FiveGoodMen Aug 2012 #28
LineReply Ha, 'Mississippi has changed', he says
 Live and Learn Aug 2012 #3
LineLineReply Except actually MS hasn't changed
 Major Nikon Aug 2012 #20
LineLineLineNew Reply Unbelievable. That state is hopeless.
 smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #34
LineReply "Unfortunate" Yeah, the dumb bastards got caught at it..
 jerseyjack Aug 2012 #4
LineReply Farting in church is unfortunate. Bigotry like this is disgusting. nt
 msanthrope Aug 2012 #5
LineReply More importantly, it was racist.
 marble falls Aug 2012 #6
LineReply Racism and homophobia: separate but equal.
 sofa king Aug 2012 #7
LineReply Stubbing ones toe is unfortunate.
 JoeyT Aug 2012 #8
LineReply I believe the appropriate phrase here is 'Mississippi Goddamn'
 JHB Aug 2012 #9
LineLineNew Reply Off topic
 Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #42
LineReply 1897, 1922 in Crystal Springs
 stockholmer Aug 2012 #10
LineReply What the heck is wrong with those churchpeople?!
 knitter4democracy Aug 2012 #11
LineReply bunch of racist ass holes attend that 'church'--Jesus would be so proud of you
 WI_DEM Aug 2012 #12
LineLineReply Dante would be proud.
 Brigid Aug 2012 #18
LineReply Why is anyone shocked?
 ajk2821 Aug 2012 #13
LineReply Maybe you can't convince the world because Mississippi really hasn't changed at all.
 sinkingfeeling Aug 2012 #14
LineReply They can't convince us it's changed, probably becuase it hasn't really changed.
 CanonRay Aug 2012 #15
LineReply Translation...
 orwell Aug 2012 #16
LineReply Tainted Mississippi's image? Mississippi still has the Confederate Battle Flag in their state flag!
 johnlucas Aug 2012 #17
LineReply At my church, the opposite would have happened.
 Brigid Aug 2012 #19
LineReply Using a weak term like "unfortunate" means he's most likely in favor of it. (nt)
 Posteritatis Aug 2012 #21
LineLineReply Unfortunate is getting the wrong order...
 jinx1 Aug 2012 #22
LineLineLineReply At Chcik-fil-A, you can get your wrong order FROM a bunch of right wing bigots!
 KamaAina Aug 2012 #25
LineReply Ron Paul would approve as the property is owned by the church, like a lunch counter.
 freshwest Aug 2012 #23
LineLineReply Don't get your hopes up
 OriginalGeek Aug 2012 #32
LineLineLineReply What would be the purpose of singing it that way? Well, it could be sung to mock them, maybe.
 freshwest Aug 2012 #33
LineLineLineLineNew Reply The purpose was to reinforce their belief
 OriginalGeek Aug 2012 #35
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply They all sound terminably stupid. And another reason to avoid Facebook.
 freshwest Aug 2012 #37
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I am starting to realize that more and more every day
 OriginalGeek Aug 2012 #38
LineReply "Tainted" Mississippi's image? not to worry hon
 azurnoir Aug 2012 #24
LineReply The US is a FAR worse country than many of us ever realized.
 FiveGoodMen Aug 2012 #26
LineReply So much for family values.
 McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #27
LineReply lame / fail
 lunasun Aug 2012 #29
LineReply I've been to Mississippi
 eilen Aug 2012 #30
LineReply Don't worry Gov. your state's image is the same.
 TeamPooka Aug 2012 #31
LineNew Reply it's sad
 Third Doctor Aug 2012 #36
LineNew Reply Republican like Racism both start with R
 sarcasmo Aug 2012 #39
LineLineNew Reply And Reagan, Ryan, Rick (Scott) and Reverse... All evil.
 freshwest Aug 2012 #40
LineNew Reply and
 arely staircase Aug 2012 #41
LineNew Reply Unfortunate?
 sakabatou Aug 2012 #43

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:23 AM

Star Member Sherman A1 (11,539 posts)

1. It is sad that in this day and age this continues

I think the Gov should do more that simply issue a statement about it. If he wanted to step up to the plate, he could invite the couple to the Gov's Mansion for a small reception of some sort or something similar. You can't undo what the bigotry of that church has done, but you can try to make some amends.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:48 AM

Star Member Behind the Aegis (27,624 posts)

2. His "apology" is also "unfortunate."

He wags his finger at the church who engaged in bigotry, then he does the exact same fucking thing!

"...adding that the state should encourage the union of any couple – as long as it is made up of a man and a woman."



Stay classy, Gov. Bryant, you fucking bigoted POS!

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:39 PM

FiveGoodMen (13,235 posts)

28. Some prejudices are more equal than others.

Yeah, I had the same reaction that you did.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:06 AM

Star Member Live and Learn (1,465 posts)

3. Ha, 'Mississippi has changed', he says

but only in who they discriminate against. This decade the bigotry flavor is the LGBT community not blacks. Keep tuned for the new flavor next decade.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:35 AM

Star Member Major Nikon (9,672 posts)

20. Except actually MS hasn't changed

Q14 Do you think interracial marriage should be
legal or illegal?
Legal............................................................... 40%
Illegal .............................................................. 46%
Not sure .......................................................... 14%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MS_0407915.pdf

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:24 PM

Star Member smirkymonkey (11,666 posts)

34. Unbelievable. That state is hopeless.

Wouldn't it be great if we could deny them anymore federal aid until they step into the 21st century?

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:11 AM

Star Member jerseyjack (1,361 posts)

4. "Unfortunate" Yeah, the dumb bastards got caught at it..

 

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:15 AM

Star Member msanthrope (16,469 posts)

5. Farting in church is unfortunate. Bigotry like this is disgusting. nt

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:17 AM

marble falls (1,906 posts)

6. More importantly, it was racist.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:19 AM

sofa king (8,689 posts)

7. Racism and homophobia: separate but equal.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:27 AM

Star Member JoeyT (4,549 posts)

8. Stubbing ones toe is unfortunate.

Refusing to marry black people is being a bigoted dick.

I also love how he can't pretend he isn't a racist dick without being a homophobic dick in the process.

Oh Mississippi, what would Alabama do without you.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:30 AM

Star Member JHB (17,800 posts)

9. I believe the appropriate phrase here is 'Mississippi Goddamn'

Last edited Sun Aug 5, 2012, 12:20 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

The fact that he feels "unfortunate" is the harshest term he can safely use tells you the real story.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 03:52 AM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,425 posts)

42. Off topic

but that's one of my favorite Nina Simone songs.

For those of you who have never heard it:

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:23 AM

knitter4democracy (13,889 posts)

11. What the heck is wrong with those churchpeople?!

So, the pastor has no balls and can't stand up to the few bigots who came forward, and no one else in that church has put those bigots in their place and told them they're not in charge?! Just goes to show that some Baptists haven't left the 19th century yet.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:26 AM

Star Member WI_DEM (32,522 posts)

12. bunch of racist ass holes attend that 'church'--Jesus would be so proud of you

If there is a pearly gates my hope is that these racists who think they are holier than thou run toward St. Peter with open arms and St Peter puts his hand up to stop them--points to a sign NO RACIST SCUM ALLOWED and pulls a lever flinging them to hell so they can hang out with 'their kind' in the firey pits. (wow! pretty picturesque).

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:21 AM

Brigid (10,538 posts)

18. Dante would be proud.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:37 AM

ajk2821 (41 posts)

13. Why is anyone shocked?

There are plenty of people in America, mostly in the Deep South (I am from Fl and live in VA), who still have the same racist ideas that their grandparents and parents have. They are now feeling emboldened by the more overt racism of the GOP/Tea Party and are more willing to act on their ideas. I am sure it happens more than we know and will start happening even more.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:33 AM

Star Member sinkingfeeling (27,792 posts)

14. Maybe you can't convince the world because Mississippi really hasn't changed at all.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:55 AM

Star Member CanonRay (4,680 posts)

15. They can't convince us it's changed, probably becuase it hasn't really changed.

It was and is one of the most backward ass states in the nation. Apologies to Mississippi DU'ers, my comments are not a reflection on you, just where you happen to live.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:57 AM

orwell (5,711 posts)

16. Translation...

...we only hate "teh gay"...

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:06 AM

johnlucas (799 posts)

17. Tainted Mississippi's image? Mississippi still has the Confederate Battle Flag in their state flag!

This IS Mississippi! This IS their image! It's not tainted. It's the default.

They still sport the Confederate Battle Flag in their state flag.
The University of Mississippi has a sports team called the Ole Miss Rebels (not too long ago sporting a mascot named Colonel Reb, a Southern plantation owner).
The same old White supremacist order runs strongly in Mississippi just like it does throughout the South (I should know. I live there).

They still believe the South will rise again—which means correcting the 'wrongs' of the 1964 Civil Rights Act & the 1865 Civil War outcome.
The South has only been partially subdued thanks to Federal government override.
That old racist attitude did not die out & still runs very strongly in that region of the country.
And Mississippi's one of the most hardcore racist states.
John Lucas

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:35 AM

Brigid (10,538 posts)

19. At my church, the opposite would have happened.

Our pastor would be disciplined for *refusing* the Sacrament of Matrimony to any eligible couple -- of whatever race. He would be considered to be in violation of canon law.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:35 AM

Posteritatis (17,277 posts)

21. Using a weak term like "unfortunate" means he's most likely in favor of it. (nt)

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:39 AM

jinx1 (45 posts)

22. Unfortunate is getting the wrong order...

Unfortunate is getting the wrong order at a fast food place...not being denied basic rights by a bunch of right wing bigots. That borders on a civil rights violation and every state, Governor knows that!

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 02:36 PM

KamaAina (45,224 posts)

25. At Chcik-fil-A, you can get your wrong order FROM a bunch of right wing bigots!

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 12:32 PM

Star Member freshwest (31,396 posts)

23. Ron Paul would approve as the property is owned by the church, like a lunch counter.

Last edited Fri Aug 3, 2012, 12:33 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Racism didn't square with the chorus of the song the sweet old ladies taught us to sing in the children's classes:

'Jesus loves the little children,
All the children of the world,
Red and yellow, black and white,
They are precious in His sight,
Jesus loves the little children of the world.'

This song made me question adults in earshot as blacks moved into the neighborhood, since 'little pitchers have big ears,' we knew something was up with the elders, that were cloaked in euphemisms. That white church moved out to the suburbs with some of the 'white flight' of that era. My Dad met with people in neighborhood civics meetings and got the majority to stay in their homes despite the media manufactured fright. And they were pushing the 'white flight' heavily at the time.

Maybe someone should go to the church and see if the hearts that appear to be turned to stone there would benefit from a chorus of:

'Jesus loves the little children,
All the children of the world,
Red and yellow, black and white,
They are precious in His sight,
Jesus loves the little children of the world.'

Until they remember who they named themselves after..

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:05 PM

OriginalGeek (5,448 posts)

32. Don't get your hopes up

I've actually heard the lyric changed to "White and white and white and white..." in the church I grew up in.

I reckon they were trying to be funny but they meant it too. It is one of the (many) reasons I became an atheist.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:13 PM

Star Member freshwest (31,396 posts)

33. What would be the purpose of singing it that way? Well, it could be sung to mock them, maybe.

All this crappola going on mile after mile in the countryside. Look at all that land, all that natural bounty. For what purpose...

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:42 PM

OriginalGeek (5,448 posts)

35. The purpose was to reinforce their belief

that white Jesus only loves white folk. And the Independent, Fundamentalist baptists that I grew up with are some lilly white, black folk-hatin' pieces of shit.


I lost count of how many people from my youth I saw with pics of them at Chik-Fil-A on their facebooks... And taking their kids and grandkids to perpetuate the hate.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:07 PM

Star Member freshwest (31,396 posts)

37. They all sound terminably stupid. And another reason to avoid Facebook.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:36 PM

OriginalGeek (5,448 posts)

38. I am starting to realize that more and more every day

I blame my sub-standard education in Christian School for it taking me so long to realize how totally stupid they and facebook are. I keep wanting to give them a chance - to see if any of them became decent human beings...there's only a very few that even talk to me but I think that may be a blessing lol...

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 02:33 PM

Star Member azurnoir (26,604 posts)

24. "Tainted" Mississippi's image? not to worry hon

Last edited Fri Aug 3, 2012, 02:35 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

for a White church not allowing a Black couple to marry and the wording of your so called apology ( as long as it's between a man and a women) simply confirmed my image of Mississippi

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:32 PM

FiveGoodMen (13,235 posts)

26. The US is a FAR worse country than many of us ever realized.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:34 PM

McCamy Taylor (13,710 posts)

27. So much for family values.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:43 PM

lunasun (3,593 posts)

29. lame / fail

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 04:31 PM

eilen (4,294 posts)

30. I've been to Mississippi

and that was over 20 years ago. Things haven't changed there. It is no surprise since I think they rank around 49 or 50 in education... perhaps they are running neck to neck with Louisiana.

For those DUers in MS, I'm sorry. I don't wish to paint everyone with a broad brush but damn, I hope signs of intelligent life surface in the media soon. You guys are just too quiet or intimidated.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:36 PM

Star Member TeamPooka (3,286 posts)

31. Don't worry Gov. your state's image is the same.

nothing has changed.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:51 PM

Third Doctor (1,025 posts)

36. it's sad

Last edited Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:52 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

That after all this time so many people in that state can't look past their racist past. So many can't get over losing the civil war 147 years ago. I live next door and many have the same attitude here also.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:39 PM

Star Member sarcasmo (13,550 posts)

39. Republican like Racism both start with R

Oh wait, so does Romney.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:00 PM

Star Member freshwest (31,396 posts)

40. And Reagan, Ryan, Rick (Scott) and Reverse... All evil.

Last edited Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:01 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 08:54 PM

Star Member arely staircase (4,149 posts)

41. and

The governor fails on so many levels. From the wishy washy adjective to the "at least they ain't queer" sentiment.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 03:54 AM

sakabatou (29,071 posts)

43. Unfortunate?

Is that all you can say?

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