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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:07 AM

Star Member Judi Lynn (77,675 posts)

Calif. professor's e-mail reveals shooting plot

Source: Associated Press

Calif. professor's e-mail reveals shooting plot
By Gillian Flaccus, Associated Press
Updated 3h 8m ago

SANTA ANA, Calif. – Rainer Reinscheid was into his second bottle of wine when he wrote a chilling e-mail titled, "a good plan," detailing violent revenge on the people he blamed for his teen son's suicide.

His son hanged himself after being disciplined at high school in March, sending the University of California, Irvine, professor into a downward spiral that authorities said led to setting fires and venting his anger in graphic e-mails describing plans for a mass murder, sexual assaults and his own death.

Reinscheid fantasized about buying a dozen machine guns, killing 200 University High School students, raping a school counselor and killing the assistant principal who disciplined his 14-year-old son, Claas Stubbe.

"I will make him cry and beg, but I will not give him a chance, just like he did to Claas," Reinscheid wrote. "I will make him die, slowly, surely. Next I will set fire to Uni High and try to burn down as much as I can, there should be nothing left that gives them a reason to continue their miserable school."


Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-02/california-professor-email-shooting-plot/56680754/1

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Reply Calif. professor's e-mail reveals shooting plot (Original post)
 Judi Lynn Aug 2012 OP
LineReply Well, it's a good thing he can buy as many assault weapons he wants at gun shows!!!!
valerief Aug 2012 #1
LineLineReply Sadly, yes.
 Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #3
LineLineReply actually, he can't
 gejohnston Aug 2012 #6
LineLineLineReply Thank you for your concern for assault weapons. nt
 valerief Aug 2012 #16
LineLineLineLineReply you are very welcome
 gejohnston Aug 2012 #24
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Thank you for your service. n/t
 SylviaD Aug 2012 #34
LineReply Dreams can come true in 'merica. nt
 onehandle Aug 2012 #2
LineLineReply Only the violent ones. nt
 valerief Aug 2012 #5
LineLineLineReply guess we could call it
 NJCher Aug 2012 #9
LineReply Sounds like he went off the deep end
 twizzler Aug 2012 #4
LineReply Psychotic breaks are very sad affairs
 slackmaster Aug 2012 #7
LineLineReply At Least He Can Get The Guns He Wants, Meantime.
 Paladin Aug 2012 #8
LineLineLineReply No he can't
 slackmaster Aug 2012 #12
LineLineLineLineReply what about when he gets out?
 samsingh Aug 2012 #23
LineLineLineLineLineReply legally?
 gejohnston Aug 2012 #25
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply he should be executed
 samsingh Aug 2012 #30
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply WTF is wrong with you? n/t
 PavePusher Aug 2012 #32
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply how many people did this monster kill?
 samsingh Aug 2012 #33
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply No one. n/t
 SylviaD Aug 2012 #35
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply You tell me. n/t
 PavePusher Aug 2012 #36
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply He killed zero people..
 MicaelS Aug 2012 #38
LineLineReply I don't see any indication in the news clip he had a psychotic break
 HereSince1628 Aug 2012 #26
LineReply Most people I know would fall asleep after drinking a bottle of wine...not spout mad revenge plots
 MADem Aug 2012 #10
LineLineReply I can write while under the influence of alcohol
 Tobin S. Aug 2012 #14
LineLineLineReply Well, a little might relax one--a lot might make crazyass garbage sound good....
 MADem Aug 2012 #15
LineLineReply I once knew an artist who could only paint after he was thoroughly sloshed.
 TalkingDog Aug 2012 #17
LineLineLineReply I can't imagine sloshing paint all over the place while sloshed!
 MADem Aug 2012 #19
LineLineLineNew Reply Maybe I should try that. My paintings would be a little looser.
 Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #37
LineLineLineLineNew Reply I've always had to consider whether it would be worth the hangovers
 TalkingDog Aug 2012 #40
LineLineReply Low blow with the name stuff.
 Codeine Aug 2012 #20
LineLineLineReply I am simply making an observation. I am not Hardy-har-har-ing about it OR urging others to make
 MADem Aug 2012 #21
LineLineReply What does his name have to do with anything?
 LeftyMom Aug 2012 #27
LineLineLineReply It has to do with worst stereotypes.
 MADem Aug 2012 #28
LineLineNew Reply One 750ml bottle
 Quantess Aug 2012 #41
LineLineLineNew Reply I'm a lightweight in my old age in terms of elbow-bending.
 MADem Aug 2012 #42
LineReply It's not a "plot", it is a fantasy. Poor coice of titles.
 McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #11
LineLineReply Agree. Hype to sell papers.
 TalkingDog Aug 2012 #18
LineReply I wonder if his personality affected his parenting
 JanMichael Aug 2012 #13
LineLineReply Heredity.
 hunter Aug 2012 #22
LineReply Any evidence that he was actually going to do it?
 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #29
LineLineReply Well, we at least know he was trying to burn shit down...
 Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #31
LineNew Reply They were saying yesterday that he probably won't be charged for the "plot"
 Xithras Aug 2012 #39

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:12 AM

Star Member valerief (35,681 posts)

1. Well, it's a good thing he can buy as many assault weapons he wants at gun shows!!!!

Last edited Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:13 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

do i need this?

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:14 AM

Star Member Jeff In Milwaukee (12,512 posts)

3. Sadly, yes.

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:07 PM

gejohnston (12,599 posts)

6. actually, he can't

since California doesn't allow "assault weapons". Can't go to another state without violating federal law, gun show or not. Since he is talking about machine guns, check out the National Firearms Act of 1934.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 12:50 AM

Star Member valerief (35,681 posts)

16. Thank you for your concern for assault weapons. nt

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:32 PM

gejohnston (12,599 posts)

24. you are very welcome

but I prefer old school wood and steel. Maybe its for the same reason I haven't worn any camo since I retired. Either way, I would like to think both sides share the same goal of keeping weapons out of the hands of crooks and nuts, the only real disagreement being on how to get there.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 05:02 PM

SylviaD (163 posts)

34. Thank you for your service. n/t

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:13 AM

Star Member onehandle (35,506 posts)

2. Dreams can come true in 'merica. nt

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:25 AM

Star Member valerief (35,681 posts)

5. Only the violent ones. nt

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:32 PM

Star Member NJCher (15,418 posts)

9. guess we could call it

The New American Dream.


Cher

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:19 AM

twizzler (206 posts)

4. Sounds like he went off the deep end

 

While I don't condone his actions, arson, I have empathy for his deep depression and I hope he gets the help he needs to come to terms with his son's suicide.

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:11 PM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

7. Psychotic breaks are very sad affairs

 

I hope the man gets the help he needs.

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:22 PM

Star Member Paladin (8,711 posts)

8. At Least He Can Get The Guns He Wants, Meantime.

Is this a great country, or what?

(Sarcasm alert, for those who need it.)

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:35 PM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

12. No he can't

 

He's being held in jail without bail, and will probably be charged with multiple felonies shortly.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:24 AM

Star Member samsingh (10,352 posts)

23. what about when he gets out?

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:34 PM

gejohnston (12,599 posts)

25. legally?

Nope, unless he is exonerated of any wrong doing, which is about as likely as ummmmmmm me giving Mitt a puppy.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:58 PM

Star Member samsingh (10,352 posts)

30. he should be executed

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:50 PM

PavePusher (15,374 posts)

32. WTF is wrong with you? n/t

 

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 04:38 PM

Star Member samsingh (10,352 posts)

33. how many people did this monster kill?

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 05:03 PM

SylviaD (163 posts)

35. No one. n/t

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:39 AM

PavePusher (15,374 posts)

36. You tell me. n/t

 

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:58 AM

MicaelS (4,386 posts)

38. He killed zero people..

He committed multiple acts of arson:

Five fires erupted between July 1 and July 19, and police caught Reinscheid as he tried to start a sixth one July 24, Irvine police Lt. Julia Engen said.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:15 PM

HereSince1628 (26,670 posts)

26. I don't see any indication in the news clip he had a psychotic break

Last edited Sat Aug 4, 2012, 06:51 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

In a psychotic break a person loses contact with reality.

Rather it seems as though reality dealt him an incredible hard knock and to deal with it he had vengeful ideation.

A disorder that has vengeful ideation resulting from 'unfair' hard knocks in life that hasn't made it into the DSM-V:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-traumatic_embitterment_disorder

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:45 PM

MADem (86,171 posts)

10. Most people I know would fall asleep after drinking a bottle of wine...not spout mad revenge plots

via e-mail, etc. while knocking down a 2nd!

And of course, the guy wouldn't have a name like "Joe Smith." He's got to have a "Mein-Kampf-ish" name that conjures up the worst "Raus, raus, SCHNELL!!!" stereotypes.

This guy has some issues.

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:25 PM

Star Member Tobin S. (5,573 posts)

14. I can write while under the influence of alcohol

Alcohol can actually be conducive to writing.

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:01 PM

MADem (86,171 posts)

15. Well, a little might relax one--a lot might make crazyass garbage sound good....

....at the time.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 01:05 AM

TalkingDog (7,635 posts)

17. I once knew an artist who could only paint after he was thoroughly sloshed.

Eventually he had to detox, then basically learn to paint all over again. But some people seem to have the capacity for all kinds of creativity whilst under the influence.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 04:33 AM

MADem (86,171 posts)

19. I can't imagine sloshing paint all over the place while sloshed!

I'm quite sure I'd make a mess!

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:41 AM

Star Member Auntie Bush (15,269 posts)

37. Maybe I should try that. My paintings would be a little looser.

I'd just try it once since I rarely drink. Better not have improved my paintings or.......

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 02:41 PM

TalkingDog (7,635 posts)

40. I've always had to consider whether it would be worth the hangovers

prolly not.

For looser paintings try taping your hand so that you you can only paint (make motions from) from your elbow or shoulder. They'll suck at first, but as long as you already know how to draw and have a good grasp of value and color, they will improve and be more loose.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:51 AM

Codeine (12,684 posts)

20. Low blow with the name stuff.

Having gone through childhood with a German name I quickly grew weary of Nazi jokes. Had this guy been Japanese I sincerely doubt you'd have made a Rape of Nanking joke, right?

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:01 AM

MADem (86,171 posts)

21. I am simply making an observation. I am not Hardy-har-har-ing about it OR urging others to make

jokes.

I spoke to the "worst stereotypes" that might accrue as a consequence of the guy's name.

I didn't say it was a laugh-riot.

Context is everything, ya know. You should try reading for it on occasion.

And don't demand that people ignore the obvious. That never works. Sunlight is always the best disinfectant.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:26 PM

LeftyMom (44,453 posts)

27. What does his name have to do with anything?

Half the German movie villains ever have my family's last name (and we're not even German, unless you go back 800 years) and last I checked none of us have hatched a murderous plot lately.

Whatever you were trying to imply about the ethnic origin of his name, it sounded crazy racist.

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:02 PM

MADem (86,171 posts)

28. It has to do with worst stereotypes.

I wasn't implying anything. I was making a direct observation. Do I actually need to provide dictionary definitions of the words "worst" and "stereotypes?"

Any racism is inherent in the existing stereotype, which I wasn't "endorsing."

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 06:56 PM

Quantess (23,997 posts)

41. One 750ml bottle

is a good amount for an unhinged writing spree.

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 08:36 PM

MADem (86,171 posts)

42. I'm a lightweight in my old age in terms of elbow-bending.

Two drinks is about my limit these days.
When I was younger I had a greater capacity. Now I have less inclination to over - imbibe or to stay awake after imbibing!

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:34 PM

McCamy Taylor (13,710 posts)

11. It's not a "plot", it is a fantasy. Poor coice of titles.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 02:06 AM

TalkingDog (7,635 posts)

18. Agree. Hype to sell papers.

n/t

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:51 PM

JanMichael (21,352 posts)

13. I wonder if his personality affected his parenting

skills, and contributed to his son's decision to kill himself. Extremely sad story all around.

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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:20 AM

Star Member hunter (16,167 posts)

22. Heredity.

Son probably inherited dad's mental illness.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:05 PM

4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)

29. Any evidence that he was actually going to do it?

 

Rather than simply being a drunk and angry idiot that probably should have kept his mouth shut?

If not then it isn't really a plot.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:09 AM

Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)

31. Well, we at least know he was trying to burn shit down...

I don't think a bombing or shooting spree is too much of a leap, given his mental state...

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:02 PM

Xithras (13,503 posts)

39. They were saying yesterday that he probably won't be charged for the "plot"

He'll face charges for the 6 arsons though, which may put him away for quite a while.

As for the plot, he had no weapons, didn't send them to anyone as a "threat", and was under the influence when it was written. There's no way to prove that he actually intended to do anything, and they can't prosecute you just for writing something, so there's no real case against him. If he'd been buying guns or preparing for the actual massacre things would be different, but right now they're just looking at the written musings of a depressed father who had just lost his son and was under the influence of prescribed drugs and alcohol. If they bring any charges against him for it, they will likely just be used for leverage in a potential future plea agreement.

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