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Mon Jul 30, 2012, 08:51 AM

Romney Praises Israel's Socialized Health Care System

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Romney Praises Israel's Socialized Health Care System




JERUSALEM — Presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney offered praise for the Israeli health care system today — a medical plan that has been socialized since its founding in 1948.
Romney, who championed the Massachusetts health care mandate, but is an opponent of the federal mandate passed by President Barack Obama, marveled at how little Israel spends on health care relative to the United States.

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? eight percent," Romney told donors at a fundraiser at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, speaking of a health care system that is compulsory for Israelis and funded by the government. "You spend eight percent of GDP on health care. You're a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18% of our GDP on health care. Ten percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is four percent — four percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of GDP. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to find and manage our health care costs."

Romney has explained that he opposes ObamaCare because what worked in Massachusetts may not work for other states. Highlighting the success of the Israeli system — in a country that enjoys one of the highest life expectancy rates in the world — could complicate matters for Romney at home.


Read more: http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-praises-israels-socialized-health-care-sys



Every Israeli citizen is entitled to health care services under the National Health Insurance Law.

Every resident has a right to register as a member of an HMO of his/her choice, free of any preconditions or limitations stemming from his/her age or the state of his/her health.

Every resident has a right to receive, via the HMO of which he or she is a member, all of the services included in the medical services basket, subject to medical discretion, and at a reasonable quality level, within a reasonable period of time and at a reasonable distance from his/her home.
Each member has a right to receive the health services while preserving the member’s dignity, privacy and medical confidentiality.

Every Israeli resident has the right to transfer from one HMO to another.

Each member has a right to select the service providers, such as doctors, caregivers, therapists, hospitals and institutes, from within a list of service providers who have entered into an agreement with the HMO to which the member belongs, and within the arrangements in place for the selection of the service providers, and which the HMO publishes from time to time.

Each member has a right to know which hospitals and institutes, and other service providers, are included in the agreement with the HMO, and what are the selection processes at the HMO.
Each member has a right to see and to receive a copy of the HMO regulations.

Each resident has a right to receive from the HMO complete information concerning the payment arrangements in place in the HMO for health services as well as the HMO’s plans offered for additional health services (CIP).

Each member has a right to complain with the Public Inquiries commissioner at the medical institute that treated the member, to the person in charge of investigating member complaints at the HMO of which s/he is a member, or to the complaints commissioner for the national health insurance law in the Ministry of Health.

Each member has a right to file suit at the district labor court.

Source:State of Israel Ministry of health


http://www.health.gov.il/English/Topics/RightsInsured/RightsUnderLaw/Pages/default.aspx

http://www.health.gov.il/English/Topics/RightsInsured/RightsUnderLaw/Pages/default.aspx

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Reply Romney Praises Israel's Socialized Health Care System (Original post)
Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 OP
enough Jul 2012 #1
Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #2
Lucy Goosey Jul 2012 #3
Kolesar Jul 2012 #11
truth2power Jul 2012 #12
Lucy Goosey Jul 2012 #13
Kolesar Jul 2012 #14
truth2power Jul 2012 #18
Kolesar Jul 2012 #19
truth2power Jul 2012 #25
booley Jul 2012 #27
Botany Jul 2012 #4
annabanana Jul 2012 #5
Kablooie Jul 2012 #6
bemildred Jul 2012 #7
Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #9
LynneSin Jul 2012 #8
primavera Jul 2012 #10
liberal N proud Jul 2012 #15
TomCADem Jul 2012 #16
Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #17
onehandle Jul 2012 #20
Enrique Jul 2012 #21
SoapBox Jul 2012 #22
randome Jul 2012 #23
radhika Jul 2012 #24
louis-t Jul 2012 #26
truth2power Jul 2012 #28
jaycube Jul 2012 #29
Kennah Jul 2012 #30

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 08:53 AM

1. Unbelievable. The guy really cannot think. (nt)

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Response to enough (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 08:56 AM

2. I wish we had what the Israelis have

its better than the third rate system the US has

AND THAT'S WHY IT SAVES MONEY BECAUSE ITS NON PROFIT.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 08:59 AM

3. I hope the Obama camp really runs with this one!

Most western countries both spend less on health care and cover more people than the US does. Now would be a good time for the Obama campaign to remind everyone that even Mitt thinks this is a good system, especially given what he did in Mass.

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Response to Lucy Goosey (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:36 AM

11. Mitt's second paragraph was pretty good, actually

Although, the issue is rather settled right now.
I see a need for Congress to act again and yet improve the ACA provisions; single payer should be added to the mix.

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Response to Lucy Goosey (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:37 AM

12. Obama camp run with this? If they're smart they wouldn't touch it, because

whatever the merits, or lack thereof, of ACA, it's still a privatised system, unlike the Israeli system, which is universal and (gasp!) SOCIALIZED.

If the Obama camp were to open that can of worms some people might start asking inconvenient questions, such as, "Whatever happened to the public option we were promised?"



edit: typos

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Response to truth2power (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:43 AM

13. That is a fair point

I was thinking the Dems could still hit Romney on the fact that he's praising a socialized universal system abroad while promising to repeal a not-socialized, not-universal system at home.

But I don't disagree with you about the ACA. Not at all.

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Response to truth2power (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:52 AM

14. You act like you don't remember what came down during the "health care debate"

There is a reason that the "public option" died.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 11:05 AM

18. Yes, but a reasonable discussion of such is not possible at this point in time because

criticism of Pres. Obama is not to be done.

I can only say that it's better to go down fighting than to die on your knees, or something like that. The exact wording escapes me at the moment.

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Response to truth2power (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 11:16 AM

19. Don't hurt yourself...eom

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:45 PM

25. I won't. Thanks for your concern.

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Response to truth2power (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:54 PM

27. I think we should run with it

Yeah. what about that public option?

Everyone here seems to agree that while the ACA was a big step, it's far from perfect.

So why not campaign on improving it and then put on conservatives on the spot because they want to go backwards?

For once start pushing the dialogue to the left.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:03 AM

4. The reason we are 18% and Israel, France, and England are @ 8% is because ....

.... we have a private for profit health care industry who sees that their
job is to make money not help people. We are the only industrialized
that does not have a single payer national health system.

And with that additional money the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical
companies make they can own Senators such as Max Baucus and Chuck
Grassley who make it their job to stop health care reform.

The affordable care act was a good 1st step but we need to do so much more.

BTW Fuck you Mitt Romney.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:16 AM

5. That TEARS it!.. The guy is just dumb dumb dumb,

Doesn't have the wit God gave a FIG!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:29 AM

6. Good god. He's a fawning toady to whoever he's with.

What a great leader for America.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:32 AM

7. Yep, that seems to be it, lickspittle sycophancy, whomever he wants stuff from today. nt

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:50 AM

9. If Mitt fondled any more

If Mitt fondled any more Israeli dicks he'd be a mohel

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:40 AM

8. That's because our tax dollars foot the bill of all those people who don't have health insurance

What a dumbass!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:27 AM

10. The Etch-a-sketch Mitwit strikes again

And he wonders why people have such a hard time nailing down what he stands for.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:52 AM

15. All you can do is shake your head and throw up your arms

The Republicans do nothing but bend to the wishes of the lobbyist and corporations.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:55 AM

16. Mr. No-Backbone, Say What They Want To Hear...

...Strikes again. I guess the goal is to get the Presidency at all costs so that he can give away the farm to all of his financial backers.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 11:03 AM

17. So excellent. Let him come back here and push for UCH then.

I have no problem with having that discussion. Bring it on, Willard. Talk your CEO talk about how the numbers for non-profit UCH make our for-profit insurance system look like a fools paradise. Throw out all of those "efficiency expert" thoughts about how much more streamlined it is than ours.

Ring up the pnhp.org and get some numbers from them, and run with it.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 12:38 PM

20. Amateur. nt

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 12:57 PM

21. here is a NY Times link

I actually could not believe he said this. It's just too perfect.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/us/politics/mitt-romney-courts-campaign-donors-in-israel.html?_r=1

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the G.D.P. in Israel? Eight percent,” he said. “You spend eight percent of G.D.P. on health care. You’re a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18 percent of our G.D.P. on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of G.D.P. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:18 PM

22. You've got to be kidding.

...Mittens, you ARE an idiot.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:42 PM

23. I can almost hear Obama's campaign committe now.

"He said...wait...what? He said...no...that doesn't...how do we...?"

The sheer depth of Romney's ignorance staggers the mind!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:44 PM

24. I hope media asks Mitt if he supports such a universal health system....

here in the USA.

Romney did say he'd REPEAL Obamacare and IMPROVE it. Maybe the Israeli model could be the improved one.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:52 PM

26. And, if questioned on it, he will say....

"What works in Israel might not work here...........heh heh heh."

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Response to louis-t (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 02:01 PM

28. Um, and follow-up question...

Why not?

Spell it out in detail. We'll wait.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:59 AM

29. Political agenda

 

what we called this the political stunt for the election campaign, surely he is getting some jews votes from the US with this statement.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:17 AM

30. Wrong! It ain't just Israel, Mittens! Whole fucking OECD, save one.

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