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Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:38 AM

Jon Kyl Berates Obama For Focus On Middle Class

Source: huffingtonpost

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama should stop talking about the middle class because it turns people against rich Americans, who should be embraced as the Michael Jordans of the U.S. economy, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said Monday.

Declaring that the use of the phrase "middle class" is "misguided and wrong and even dangerous," Kyl argued in a Senate floor speech that Obama is "spreading economic resentment weakens American values" and ignoring "the uniquely meritocratic basis of our society."

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Reply Jon Kyl Berates Obama For Focus On Middle Class (Original post)
Grassy Knoll Jul 2012 OP
Zoeisright Jul 2012 #1
Quantess Jul 2012 #74
sakabatou Jul 2012 #2
Populist_Prole Jul 2012 #3
BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #4
bluestateguy Jul 2012 #5
Phlem Jul 2012 #6
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RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #9
muntrv Jul 2012 #53
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Angry Dragon Jul 2012 #14
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lonestarnot Jul 2012 #15
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Ken Burch Jul 2012 #18
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vlyons Jul 2012 #19
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Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #21
tblue37 Jul 2012 #61
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neeksgeek Jul 2012 #25
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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:39 AM

1. Kyl is a toady little asshole.

Plus slimy.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:18 AM

74. I was just going to say...

Look at the photo in the article. It looks like 2 reptiles swimming ashore.
First the reptile head of Kyl, then the turtle close behind him.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:43 AM

2. Asshat

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:45 AM

3. Could be a blessing in disguise

They're getting so bold in their utter contempt for the middle/working class that stupid "god & guns" wedge issues will no longer be able to keep working stiffs voting for these swine.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:49 AM

4. That's pretty wild

Sounds like he would prefer they just be called "losers."

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:56 AM

5. We should seek not to avoid class warfare

But rather, how to WIN it.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:56 AM

6. How do we get this guy to keep talking about it?

These days they're doing our work for us.

-p

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Response to Phlem (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:21 AM

75. O needs to put out an ad with that quote coming out of Krazy Kyl's mouth

then replay over and over.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:00 AM

7. Ha, I thought maybe he was worried about leaving out the poor.

How wrong could I be? He is worried about the poor pitiful rich guys. What a joke.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:01 AM

8. It wouldn't hurt Kyle to pay a little attention to the lower classes.

Though it might be out of character for him.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:01 AM

9. Perhaps he'd like one of these other phrases instead.

With my suggestions for replacement phrases in bold.

common people, hoi polloi, laboring class, proletariat, rank and file, the masses, wage-earners, working class, working people, bourgeoisie, commonality, everyman, everywoman, vulgus

heh heh....vulgus.


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Response to RedStateLiberal (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:13 PM

53. Don't forget vassals.

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Response to muntrv (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:18 PM

54. Good one!

Obviously I was using a thesaurus and that one didn't come up.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:11 AM

10. Kneel before Zod!

New GOP bumper sticker.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:13 AM

11. "Dangerous" I'm sorry, what? Afraid that the peasants will revolt???

Unbelievable. And yet the fools will keep voting for them, even as they screw them further and further into poverty with that outdated idea that you can make in America if your try hard enough... except for the fact that a few hundred people now have all the money.

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:21 AM

76. yes, they are & should be!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:21 AM

12. It is not about meritocracy when there is not equal opportunity!

I would prefer we call estate taxes "equal opportunity levies."

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Response to David__77 (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:36 AM

17. Or Punitive Parasite Prevention.

Yours will sell better, of course.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:21 AM

13. DEATH TO THE MIDDLE CLASS! New GOP mantra. YES, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM, aren't they?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:30 AM

14. Kyl can not figure out why the President keeps talking about the middle class

because Kyl thought the republicans had destroyed the middle class

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:14 AM

24. They have destroyed most of it

but just didn't tell the new group that is just a step away from poverty that they are no longer middle class. Survey after survey shows that people think they are richer than they are or that they are so close to getting there.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:10 AM

15. That horsehead look'n motherfucker can't hit the road soon enough!

Richie rich ass licker!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:05 AM

16. Reality?

 

Could it be that the rich are becoming afraid ,very afraid?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:43 AM

18. "the Michael Jordans of the U.S. economy"?

We should see all rich people as hairless and retired?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:32 PM

48. When the "job creators" start performing like Michael Jordan, then they'll be no room to criticize!!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:23 AM

19. Too many martinis at lunch with his lobbyist friends

and yet more evidence that the Republican brand is totally bankrupt. I wonder how historians 100 yrs from now will characterize the political period. Hopefully as "death spiral of the GOP."

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:39 AM

20. "Kyl: Because the Kardashians are working harder than you are."

Pity this empty suit isn't running again. I'd have the slogan for the oppo ads.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:42 AM

21. Those clips should be used in an ad

And often, flooding every single district.

Kyl let the cat out of the bag. This is how they REALLY intend to govern.

C'mon Dems, it's time to take the gloves off.

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Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:02 PM

61. Precisely. The ads could be used to show up the attitude of

the Republican Party in general.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #61)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:46 PM

68. Even though Kyl isn't running, it could be powerful

Because he's still a "respected" Repub.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:59 AM

22. just keep digging that hole Kyl

the term 'middle class' refers to those of us who actually work for our salary and pay taxes. Meritocracy? Don't think I would list anyone in the GOP as having superior intellect or worthy of their position. A syndicate maybe.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:07 AM

23. Maybe he'd prefer two classes--the rich and the untouchables?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:35 AM

25. The Analogy Kyl Used is Invalid

"When Michael Jordan came, after he established how great he would be, he was given an enormous, almost unheard of salary. Did the other players say, 'That's not fair?' No, actually all the other players got big salary increases, too," Kyl said.

This argument doesn't hold water at all, not in an environment where companies pay CEOs record salaries while they lay employees off and then offer to hire them back at lower wages (Circuit City), try to freeze employee pay while making record profits (Caterpillar), or banking millions of dollars while not hiring due to "uncertainty" (pick a company).

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Response to neeksgeek (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:28 PM

58. That's hardly the worst part of the argument. The worst is life isn't a game, we aren't entertainers

trying to draw the biggest crowds. We are human beings that deserve to be treated with dignity. Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, not just the Michael Jordan's.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:35 AM

26. What A Jackass

Kyl is......this moron can't retire soon enough and head back to "Brewer Land"

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:07 AM

27. NFL revenue sharing is very successful

probably coming to the NBA as well.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:10 AM

28. Dear Senator Asshat

The middle class, or what used to be the middle class, is the single largest source of potential votes in the country. Smart politicians talk to the big crowds.

Yours in contempt,

hifiguy

P.S. How the fuck do crooked shitheels such as yourself manage to screw your pants on every morning?

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:57 PM

38. the middle class you could say are the workin poor

 

Amen

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:34 PM

64. Sadly, a lot of working class people will agree with him, because as Steinbeck said...

...Americans consider themselves to be temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:37 AM

29. Kyl channelling the fears of the 1%

And rightly so.
If the middle classes begin voting in their best interests instead of those of the monied classes, Kyl and his ilk are screwed.

No one likes hoarders during a crisis, whether money or food.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:39 AM

30. I guess the poor are well fucked then

Who talks about them now?

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Response to Ebadlun (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:41 AM

33. yes, the are

and the repugs such as this idiot really don't give a damn about the poor.....they can eat cake as far as the right wing nut jobs care

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:39 AM

31. Ah yes. Don't let anything get in the way of worshiping...........

the wealthy.

I don't think they're really scared, but I DO believe they're getting "concerned". Class warfare for 30+ years was the exclusive purview of the wealthy. So much so that I stopped calling it class war and started calling it class massacre. Since last Fall that's changed a little. I still don't think most working class people know what it's going to take to really take back the country, but it's a start. And this is on Huffington Post, one of the more RW of the Democratic leaning web sites. The comments tell the tale here. Universal condemnation of Kyl's remarks.

BTW, I personally want to send a big shout out to the Occupy movement. They've definitely changed the conversation around. Notice how few people are talking about the debt and austerity anymore?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:41 AM

32. "uniquely meritocratic basis" - what a load of bullshit. Got to put on

 

my hipwaders for that one.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:14 AM

72. +10000

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:04 PM

34. it is dangerous. to the gop.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:34 PM

35. As soon as GOP policies abolish the middle class

the Sen Kyl's of this world can sit back, relax, and take "credit" for a job well done. And no more pesky middle class references that might upset the "righteously meritorious".

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:52 PM

36. Kyl retires at 158,000 after only 18 years

 

it was reported on MSNBC senator Kyl will retire at 158,000 dollars per year for the rest of his life, 98% of the working poor and poor will pay that tab while he and the repucks preaching austerity?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:56 PM

37. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" Keep your eyes on the shiny "job creators"!

Don't try to figure out inconvenient truths!

How dare Obama try to expose ugly realities?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:07 PM

39. Has Kyl ever discussed

his sexual proclivities?

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #39)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:18 PM

67. why would Kyl's "sexual proclivities" be germaine to this conversation?

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Response to Raster (Reply #67)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:59 AM

70. Because in the Republican Party

he would be ostracized.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #70)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:53 PM

80. Not ostracized... simply asked by his fellow GOPers to keep quiet about it

Not ostracized... simply asked by his fellow GOPers to keep quiet about it as has been done in the past.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:08 PM

40. Sadly

it's membersof the middle and lower classes keeps this guy in office. The idiocy of it galls me everyday.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:13 PM

41. I remember, as a little kid during the Great Depression of the 30s', the

'common' people exhibited a strong dislike of the wealthy class for basically the same reasons. The tide turned.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:27 PM

42. Keep up your idol worship of the Atlas's Kyl, you'll see how that works out for you.

Shame on anyone who votes for this guy.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:31 PM

43. Maybe the Wall Street Journal's Latest Poll has something to do w/ Kyl's "outrage"

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:49 PM

44. And the rehugs are always the first to scream

class warfare. How should we start identifying the middle class john? Stagnant wage earners? the emerging poor? the new indigence?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:13 PM

45. Be nice to the psychopaths at the top of our economic pyramid schemes.

Because they are the Michael Jordan's of evil con-artist, the worst of all predators, and the number one financiers of both political parties.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:21 PM

46. John Kyl - government only exists for the rich

don't give the fucking serfs hope. They might get uppity!

(sarcasm intended)

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:52 PM

47. Damn, the Reagan-Smiley-Face mask really has fallen off

I hope more and more people see the ugliness behind it.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:01 PM

49. He doesn't even realize how dickish he sounds

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Response to catbyte (Reply #49)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:23 AM

77. none of the R-dicks ever do, Rmoney being a case in point

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:07 PM

50. Sorry, but it isn't Obama but rather the greedy rich who have made the rest

of America dislike them.

The greedy rich are rich, rich, richer than they have ever been while the middle class is losing ground. Hasn't Kyl seen the charts?

And then the greedy rich who make their fortunes in "free" international trade expect the middle class to take cuts in pay, have fewer choices as to jobs and STILL pay the taxes to keep our military going -- to protect the trade routes that the rich use to rob the rest of us.

No way. Kyl hasn't figured things out yet. He needs to take a deep breath and look at what is happening to the middle class in the country. It isn't business as usual for most of us.

We have good, middle-class friends who built up a business, employed lots of people and lost everything in the crash of 2008. They are just one example of prosperity lost, dreams lost, lives crushed by the greed of Wall Street.

Kyl is out of touch.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:10 PM

51. Funny...I thought

 

That America was founded on the notion of "no classes"

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Response to zzaapp (Reply #51)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:17 AM

73. no, that was the old America and Kyl's is the new: of, by & for the oligarchy

The same oligarchy the founding fathers fought against.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:11 PM

52. As a Detroit Pistons fan, I never embraced Michael Jordan.

I preferred Joe Dumars, so spare me the analogy, John Kyl.

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Response to muntrv (Reply #52)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:28 PM

57. I'm partial to Vinnie Johnson myself :)

I was there the night The Microwave lit up the court with 22 points point in the 4th quarter against the Celtics in Game 4 of the 1985 Eastern Conference Semi-Finals. Ah, The Pistons glory days!

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Taz, Nigel, and new baby brother Sammy, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"Dogs Aren’t Luggage--HISS!”

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:20 PM

55. Thank goodness this arrogant jerk is retiring.


I'll be donating to and voting for Rich Carmona this election!!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:22 PM

56. OK, if he stops talking about "Small Business" n/t

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:29 PM

59. This has got to be the only country on Earth where a politician could get away with

saying that. Also the only country where people would be stupid enough to elect someone who would say and believe that.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:36 PM

60. Ah, Jon, you beady-eyed asstrollop . . .

Jordan didn't pay the people coming to see his games; the people bought the merch, sold out the UC and made the people who signed Jordan's checks richer. Jordan was a product; a highly talented one, but still a product and one that was gained by luck of the draw (or an astronomically bad decision by Portland, whichever). The United Center would have still had a staff whether Jordan came to Chi-Town or not. The Bulls still would have had an organization whether Jordan came to town or not.

The CEOs only helped the other executives. Their wealth didn't trickle down to the masses. That was never their intent. There's no sense of noblesse oblige here. Their only intent was to get cheaper and cheaper highly-educated labor and pocket/bonus out the savings.

Trickle Down is a FARCE. Always has been, always will be. Jon Kyl sucks at governing, sucks at humanity and SUPER sucks at analogies.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:15 PM

62. Talk about a moron that is out of sink with the voter!

He cares less about what his constinuients think..I should know I used to live in AZ. Good thing he is retiring..

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:25 PM

63. Orwell wept.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:00 PM

65. This guy is an embarrassment to the Country.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:08 PM

66. That's a campaign commercial that makes itself:

Just play him saying that, cut to Obama saying, "Those are the people who want to replace me in this election. Any questions?"

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:36 AM

69. Twilight of the Elite...

is Chis Hedges great read on meritocracy and its failure. John Kyl may not have the IQ to read it though.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 09:58 AM

71. I'm always amused by guys like kyle, he knows who butters his bread.

and has zero shame in telling others at the cost of sounding like a complete halfwit.

becauseto him, politics is all about what is said, not what is remembered.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:20 AM

78. Waaahhhhhh!!!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:21 AM

79. BTW, dickwad, we don't live in a meritocracy. We live in a

plutocracy.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:46 PM

81. How unrepentently feudal.

How more elitist can this guy get? The goppers are are showing signs of panic.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:57 AM

82. Kyle's a typical

sheltered, self centered repuke asshole who probably hasn't had to work a day in his life!!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:00 AM

83. Um, don't we already have a candidate who's running on a platform of helping rich people?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:29 PM

84. We Just Need A Youtube Of Kyl Crying, "Leave The 1% Alone!"

Between Kyl and Romney saying that taxes on the rich amounts to hating success, this is getting pretty annoying.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:02 AM

85. Ah, another worthless repuke speaks...nt

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 02:45 AM

86. If those tight ass bastards would only PAY workers what they were worth ...

We wouldn't be in this fucking mess ....

The Middle Class is EVERYTHING ..... The Middle Class is the Job CREATORs and PERFORMERs ....

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