Trump may bypass hardline conservatives on tax, White House says

[DonViejo]

Source: Reuters

Sun Mar 26, 2017 | 12:00pm EDT

By Lindsay Dunsmuir and Doina Chiacu | WASHINGTON

Fresh off a defeat on U.S. healthcare legislation, the White House warned rebellious conservative lawmakers that they should get behind President Donald Trump's agenda or he may opt to bypass them on future legislative fights, including tax reform.

Both Trump and White House chief of staff Reince Priebus scolded hardline conservatives who rejected legislation backed by the White House to overhaul Obamacare.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Priebus held out the possibility of working with moderate Democrats as well as Republicans to pass other aspects of Trump's agenda, such as his proposed budget, the revamp of the tax code and a renewed effort at healthcare reform.

"If we can come up with a bill that accomplishes the goals of the president with Republicans alone, we'll take and we'll move forward with it," Priebus said.


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-taxes-idUSKBN16X0MM

[underpants]

1. Um Dems, he's going to need to bend to you to get anything passed

Without the poo flingers on his side there is no majority. This may just be an opening offer but last week showed us that he and Ryan don't have control.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

2. The DEMS may be in the catbird seat.

Pelosi and Schumer should try to negotiate for Universal Healthcare.

[riversedge]

8. Schumer; and we'll certainly look at his proposals. But it's going to be guided on our values.".....

......Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer criticized Trump over his handling of the healthcare bill and said Republicans would face the same conservative revolt on other issues.
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"They're going to repeat the same mistake they made on Trumpcare with tax reform," Schumer told ABC.

He urged Trump to go a different path: reject the Freedom Caucus and work with Democrats.

"If he changes, he could have a different presidency," Schumer said. "He's going to have to tell them he can't work with them and we'll certainly look at his proposals. But it's going to be guided on our values."................................

[ananda]

11. Absolutely!

And no confirmation for GorSUCKS.

[LOL Lib]

3. That last sentence is grating.

"We'll take and move forward with it."

It is Repuke to the core.

[OldRedneck]

4. "We are going to win so much . . .

. . . you will be bored with winning!"

"On my first day in office, I will repeal and replace Obamacare."

"I know more about ISIS than the generals. I will destroy ISIS during my first 30 days in office."

"If I'm elected president, I'm accepting no salary."

“I will ask, to appoint a special prosecutor. We have to investigate Hillary Clinton, and we have to investigate the investigation.”

"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall."

"I have lots of prime, oceanfront property in Arizona that you can have cheap."

[ToxMarz]

7. A lot of the Repukes I know ARE getting bored

They REALLY don't like losing. But they are still able to blame it on "everyone" so it's not just them that is the problem. Solution as they see it? If doubling down didn't work, triple down on the stupid!

[bucolic_frolic]

5. It's beyond Gridlock, it's Gridlocked Blocks now

He has no authority because he has no legitimacy. He's bypassing Democrats completely.
Hardline conservatives won't compromise on anything that doesn't suit their agenda.

Politicians usually find a way, but right now I'm thinking there won't be much movement
in any of these components. The only thing they'll do is pass a budget that no one likes.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. "The only thing they'll do is pass a budget that no one likes."

and even that wouldn't make it through the Senate.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. With House & Senate & Prez, RepubliCONs still are clueless about how to govern effectively. . . nt

[uppityperson]

6. Do what I tell you or I won't play with you anymore?

[OldHippieChick]

9. So, let's see, threatening them last week worked out

so well, we're just going to double-down and do it some more.

[Rural_Progressive]

10. The real problem is the orange one has no experience

dealing with anything but lickspittles, toadies, and sycophants.

He comes from a lifetime of being able to say "YOU'RE FIRED" to anyone who disagrees with him, doesn't toe his line, and/or just irritates him for any reason. This does not in anyway prepare someone for working for compromise and consensus.

He's 70 years old, has multiple personality disorders, has never had to compromise on anything. This is a great big, old, dog who isn't going to learn any new tricks.

There is a better chance of him winning the 100 meter sprint at the next Olympics than his being effective even with our severely dysfunctional government. It's only going downhill from here.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. Yup. Trumps skill is not dealmaking with powerful counterparts. It is duping gullible victims.

David Frum tweet:? "Regular reminder that Donald Trump’s core competency is not dealmaking with powerful counter-parties. It is duping gullible victims."

[FakeNoose]

21. Yes but it's also the Tea Party

... making Trump's life miserable.

The Tea Party is just as hopeless & miserable so I hope they all have fun together in HELL.

Payback's a bitch, and we're almost there!

[WePurrsevere]

12. Dear moderate Democrats...

"working with moderate Democrats as well as Republicans to pass other aspects of Trump's agenda, such as his proposed budget, the revamp of the tax code and a renewed effort at healthcare reform"

The word you need to use for Trump and Republicans is... NO.
We've seen his budget... NO.
Last I heard his revamp of the tax code would give tax cuts to the 1% and harm middle class and poor. If this is true... NO.
If healthcare reform does ANYTHING but improve coverage and lower costs for those who need it the most... NO.

Trump does NOT have a mandate. Trump and his cabal are under investigation for possible treason. Trump does NOT have a majority of Americans on his side. We are now 100% the OPPOSITION party.

Unless he and other Republicans reverse the harmful BS they are doing/planning on doing... Just.say.NO. Then get out in public stating loudly and clearly WHY it's 'NO'.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. Yup. Trump was elected Minority President and that minority keeps getting smaller and smaller.

Now he is at war with his hard-core conservative base.

We predicted that something like that would happen because he is so stupid, but the specifics were unpredictable.

[WePurrsevere]

19. He truly overestimates the power he has but that's...

Not surprising after his sissy fit over his inauguration attendance totals vs Obama's or even the Women's March.

[cstanleytech]

20. Agreed.

I'm not opposed outright to tax cuts for the wealthy but they dont deserve it as "job creators" because thats a complete myth as cutting their taxes does not create anymore jobs or atleast nothing that pays better than a part time cashier at a McJob does and thats not enough to pay even basic bills let alone being able to set aside 30% for retirement.
No, if the wealthy want these tax cuts badly enough then they need to address the pay gap first between the average worker and the wealthy as the wealthy have seen more and more pay gains for themselves where as the average worker has seen their buying power and pay checks shrinking.

[ProfessorGAC]

35. And How Do We Pay For That?

I agree that the "job creator" thing is nonsense, but unlike you, i AM opposed outright to tax cuts for the wealthy. When the government can cut taxes on the middle class and lower middle class (and btw, i'm probably considered upper MC, or at least leaning that way from the middle) to close the real income gap over the last 20+ years, and we find a way to pay for that, (easier than huge tax cuts for people who don't actually recycle the money back into the economy) then we can begin(!) discussing tax cuts for the wealthy.

BTW: Where did you get that 30% set-aside number for retirement? That seems a preposterously high number for nearly anybody, except of course people who make 7 figures per year or more.

[Sgent]

24. Where we (and I speak as a relative moderate, especially at DU) may come to some agreement

is on corporate taxation.

Our corporate tax situation is completely bollucked -- you couldn't pick a worse tax policy if you tried it. Every other country in the world (well, except Estonia) has harmonized their corporate tax code to a large extent, we have not, and its killing us. Its killing our jobs, our infrastructure, our world competitiveness, and the investment in the US.

I don't support (although I would benefit from) significant tax cuts to individual taxation, although I might be in favor of getting rid of sub S taxation (which would probably be a net gain in revenue, but maybe not). But a complete rewrite of C corp taxation, even a revenue neutral one, is desperately needed.

Note when I say tax policy I don't mean tax rates, I mean how (in very general terms) corporate income taxes are calculated. Countries still have very different tax rates and there are still some outliers, but the major economies of Europe, Japan, and Asia ex China all agree on taxation of domestic profits.

[WePurrsevere]

31. Perhaps there might be some common ground between...

what Obama and Dems have wanted to do and what Trump and moderate Republicans want. I'm not a professional economist so while I'll be interested in seeing any proposals I'm more interested in how any proposals are analysed by a few of the better ones.

Perhaps part of a deal to lower Corp tax rates could a bit of give by corporations in the often wildly different CEOs pay to worker bee pay ratios. If workers make more, they spend more which helps the economy and eventually comes back around and helps the corporation the workers work for.

I'll have to do a bit of research soon and see if I can find info on how the U.S. Corp tax policy/rates compare to other countries that are doing well economically (as well as not).

[MarcA]

26. And we need to keep letting them know its NO.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. There are enough RW loons as a caucus in the House

to block anything that Drumpf keeps threatening to put forward that would bypass them. And none of it will get him Dem votes.

He will find continuing to use his Art of the Fail™ tactics will get him laughed at right in his face.

[benld74]

18. GOP can't work together let alone with DEMS

[cstanleytech]

22. Its not that they cant its that they choose not to. The Democrats are open to working with the

Repugnants but the Repugnants rather than try to work with the Democrats have rebuffed them and now the same thing is happening internally to the Repugnants and its made it so they are completely ineffective at governing.

[jmowreader]

23. Trump needs us but we don't need him

If he expects Democratic support, this is what we need.

1. The Trump Wall is dead. He can have a 100 percent increase in Border Patrol funding.

2. Merrick Garland goes on the Supreme Court.

3. Trump puts all his businesses in a blind trust with no Trump Family involvement.

4. Complete disclosure of all foreign ties with any Trump family member.

5. One vacation every six months and no more.

6. Additional spending paid for by tax increases.

7. The NEA, NEH, CPB, Amtrak, are off limits. The Affordable Care Act is to be strengthened.

8. No tax cuts for any reason.

9. The CFPB doubles in size.

10. Leave regulations alone. (The biggest producer of regulations is the FAA. Most of them are Notices to Airmen, Airworthiness Directives and Temporary Flight Restrictions. Under Trump's edict, every time he flies to Palm Beach a government agency has to kill two regulations.)

[MurrayDelph]

28. and to verify 3 & 4

Full and complete tax returns for the last ten years.

[jmowreader]

29. I'd rather see his second set of books

Be reasonable, Murray: if you were a tenth as dirty as Trump is, would you put your underhanded dealings in your tax returns?

[MurrayDelph]

30. Good point

I would still want to see the ones he reported to the IRS, if nothing else than we could stop his fake-auditing and move to full-fledged evasion.

[Grins]

32. THIRTY!

I want to go all the way back to when he was dealing with the Mafia in NYC and Atlantic City.

We have the Clinton's tax returns going back 40-years so NBD, amiright?

[0rganism]

25. if Democrats cave in and work with Trump on tax cuts...

... we can kiss any potential congressional gains in 2018 goodbye, and we can save ourselves the trouble of fielding a candidate in 2020

collaboration with Trump is poison, pure and simple, undermining all resistance and opposition.

[KingCharlemagne]

33. If Dems vote yet again to cut taxes any further on the wealthy, I will be leaving the

Dem Party for good and registering with one of the real Socialist parties out here in California (like Peace & Freedom).

I would hope all leftists are considering similar action.

[Girard442]

27. How can you negotiate anything with a delusional sociopath?

He'd agree to something one day and deny he'd ever heard of it the next.

[Grins]

34. He still doesn't understand how the government works.

"..or he may opt to bypass them on future legislative fights, including tax reform."

First, history has several examples where the executive overreached and Congress pushed back - hard. Even if some members may agree with the executive overreach, not just those Congressional radicals will resent the power grab and turn on him.

Second, if he thinks Democrats will work with Trump on tax reform he is delusional. There is only one - ADMITTED! - reason the R's wanted to rush repealing Obamacare and that was to come up with a source to fund TAX CUTS. That was not a health care bill that just went down in agony - that was a bill to cut taxes for those who don't need it.

"But my bottom line is this: This discussion has been far too much about artificial timelines, arbitrary deadlines, all to effect the baseline on tax reform." - Penn. Republican, Charlie Dent, in an interview on "Meet The Press," admitting the entire Obamacare repeal-and-replace was about tax cuts.