Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:30 AM
Omaha Steve (36,072 posts)
Penn State president orders Paterno statue removal
Source: AP-Excite
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) - Penn State University will remove the famed statue of Joe Paterno outside its football stadium, eliminating a key piece of the iconography surrounding the once-sainted football coach accused of burying child sex abuse allegations against a retired assistant. The university said Sundaythat it will take down the larger-than-life monument in the face of an investigative report by former FBI Director Louis Freeh that found the late coach, along with three top Penn State administrators, concealed the abuse claims against Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago in order to shield the university and its football program from negative publicity. Construction vehicles and police arrived shortly after dawn Sunday, barricading the street and sidewalks near the statue, erecting a chain-link fence then concealing the statue with a blue tarp. The bronze sculpture outside Beaver Stadium has been a rallying point for students and alumni outraged over Paterno's firing four days after Sandusky's Nov. 5 arrest - and grief-stricken over the Hall of Fame coach's Jan. 22 death at age 85. FULL story at link. Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20120722/DA05U4O00.html
The statue of former Penn State University head football coach Joe Paterno stands outside Beaver Stadium in State College, Pa., in this July 13, 2012 file photo. Police and construction workers have barricaded both sides of street and the sidewalks near the Joe Paterno statue at Penn State University Sunday July 22, 2012. A chain-link fence has been erected around the perimeter surrounding the statue.(AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar, File)
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| Omaha Steve | Jul 2012 | OP | |
| LynneSin | Jul 2012 | #1 | |
| Cooley Hurd | Jul 2012 | #2 | |
| 47of74 | Jul 2012 | #9 | |
| barbtries | Jul 2012 | #3 | |
| Joe Bacon | Jul 2012 | #19 | |
| Posteritatis | Jul 2012 | #36 | |
| Marrah_G | Jul 2012 | #4 | |
| Va Lefty | Jul 2012 | #5 | |
| Cooley Hurd | Jul 2012 | #6 | |
| Cooley Hurd | Jul 2012 | #13 | |
| Berlum | Jul 2012 | #15 | |
| BumRushDaShow | Jul 2012 | #12 | |
| Botany | Jul 2012 | #7 | |
| Cooley Hurd | Jul 2012 | #11 | |
| obamanut2012 | Jul 2012 | #26 | |
| Frank Cannon | Jul 2012 | #30 | |
| alcibiades_mystery | Jul 2012 | #8 | |
| Beowulf | Jul 2012 | #37 | |
| Tuesday Afternoon | Jul 2012 | #10 | |
| Cooley Hurd | Jul 2012 | #14 | |
| Berlum | Jul 2012 | #16 | |
| yellowcanine | Jul 2012 | #17 | |
| lunatica | Jul 2012 | #20 | |
| yellowcanine | Jul 2012 | #22 | |
| Iggy | Jul 2012 | #25 | |
| roguevalley | Jul 2012 | #39 | |
| RKP5637 | Jul 2012 | #29 | |
| yellowcanine | Jul 2012 | #24 | |
| Trillo | Jul 2012 | #18 | |
| dkhbrit | Jul 2012 | #21 | |
| Iggy | Jul 2012 | #23 | |
| obamanut2012 | Jul 2012 | #27 | |
| Iggy | Jul 2012 | #31 | |
| Atypical Liberal | Jul 2012 | #28 | |
| dynasaw | Jul 2012 | #32 | |
| may3rd | Jul 2012 | #33 | |
| MadrasT | Jul 2012 | #34 | |
| riderinthestorm | Jul 2012 | #35 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Jul 2012 | #38 | |
| zorro1 | Jul 2012 | #40 | |
| GReedDiamond | Jul 2012 | #41 | |
| boppers | Jul 2012 | #42 | |
| On the Road | Jul 2012 | #43 |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:45 AM
LynneSin (89,796 posts)
1. It's scary - some of the comments from those who support the pedophile enabler
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I read a comment where someone said they would chain themselves to the statue to prevent it's removal.
I know better than anyone what Joe Paterno has done for Penn State and their fans - I grew up in that area. But 50 years of great football can go easily down the drain when you let a child predator go free. To think Paterno's legacy could have been more than just a great football coach but a man who stopped a sick person from abusing anymore kids. Shame on him and shame on those people who feel the school should keep honoring him. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:47 AM
Cooley Hurd (21,013 posts)
2. Maybe they could get the US Army and a few Iraqis?
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #2)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:14 AM
47of74 (6,724 posts)
9. That would've been the way to do it
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:48 AM
barbtries (15,024 posts)
3. i'll be curious to see the reaction.
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it will tell whether the university has been learning. i'm nearly done reading the Freeh report and it is shocking how the insular nature of the culture led to such cavalier disregard for innocent victims, and such terrible judgement as well. if the people in the position to know had pursued the charges when they first arose, not only would so many victims be spared, but so would the university. because it would have done the right thing. sandusky's crimes would have been all his. now they hang on the heads of so many others and the university itself. it boggles my mind.
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Response to barbtries (Reply #3)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:52 AM
Joe Bacon (4,934 posts)
19. There will be a major backlash over this.
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:53 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I'm SHOCKED that they actually did this. I see the comments denouncing this are flowing like the dam is broke. I'm not surprised, since I was raised in Pennsylvania where football is the state religion and Paterno still is the Pope. No doubt in my mind that there will be a major backlash over this. Football is everything in that part of the country.
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Response to Joe Bacon (Reply #19)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:14 PM
Posteritatis (17,452 posts)
36. Yeah, about half the CBC article I read was people upset about the statue going
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Really hyperbolic claptrap too - "if you punish Joe Paterno you're going to kill our town" levels of silliness.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:50 AM
Marrah_G (22,703 posts)
4. I think they made the right choice
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:53 AM
Va Lefty (1,931 posts)
5. Live streaming link
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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #5)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:59 AM
Cooley Hurd (21,013 posts)
6. They're using a fork lift w/ a heavy yellow strap wrapped around what appears to be...
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:14 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) ...the neck of the statue (although the statue is covered in tarp - I think it's around its neck).
edit: Now the statue's at an angle - looks to be almost worked free from its base... edit: still struggling w/ it - looks like JoePa doesn't want to go easily.. |
Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #6)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:25 AM
Cooley Hurd (21,013 posts)
13. It's gone...
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The statue is now prone.
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #13)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:32 AM
Berlum (3,979 posts)
15. Castles made of sand, slip into the sea. Eventually.
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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #5)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:25 AM
BumRushDaShow (12,021 posts)
12. Thanks for posting the stream
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Watched them just haul it away out of the stream picture about 5 minutes ago. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:02 AM
Botany (36,162 posts)
7. Coach Paterno's failure to do anything when told of Jerry Sandusky's raping a little boy ....
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:23 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) .... in the team's showers allowed for many more children to become victims. Even
after some of Sandusky's actions were brought to light he took along young boys with him on bowl trips and the Penn State football staff and administration did nothing to stop him outside of telling him that he would never be head coach @ PSU. Penn State should shut down football for at least this season just out of respect for the victims and they statue should be melted down as scrap. |
Response to Botany (Reply #7)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:21 AM
Cooley Hurd (21,013 posts)
11. According to the breaking news blurb on CNN, it's to be put into storage.
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...which begs the question, are they planning on re-erecting it in the future???
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #11)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:40 AM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
26. I know -- it should be scrapped
Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #11)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:48 AM
Frank Cannon (6,207 posts)
30. They should store it in Sandusky's cell...
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So he'll have someone to talk to.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:10 AM
alcibiades_mystery (28,581 posts)
8. Statue goes, library stays
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"I now believe that, contrary to its original intention, Coach Paterno’s statue has become a source of division and an obstacle to healing in our University and beyond. For that reason, I have decided that it is in the best interest of our university and public safety to remove the statue and store it in a secure location. I believe that, were it to remain, the statue will be a recurring wound to the multitude of individuals across the nation and beyond who have been the victims of child abuse.
On the other hand, the Paterno Library symbolizes the substantial and lasting contributions to the academic life and educational excellence that the Paterno family has made to Penn State University. The library remains a tribute to Joe and Sue Paterno’s commitment to Penn State’s student body and academic success, and it highlights the positive impacts Coach Paterno had on the University. Thus I feel strongly that the library’s name should remain unchanged." ----SNIP---- From Erickson's statement: http://onwardstate.com/2012/07/22/rodney-erickson-issues-statement-regarding-statue-library/ |
Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #8)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:04 PM
Beowulf (190 posts)
37. The Paterno Library houses the University's collection of over 100,000 children's books
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There are rumors of discussions to locate the statue eventually in front of the library.
Tells you everything you need to know about the sincerity of this move. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:15 AM
Tuesday Afternoon (44,891 posts)
10. too little. too late.
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:28 AM
Cooley Hurd (21,013 posts)
14. The statue is gone - they just pulled it out of place...
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...and dragged it away. So ends the cult of JoePa.
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #14)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:33 AM
Berlum (3,979 posts)
16. The lone and level sands stretch far away
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #14)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:34 AM
yellowcanine (24,478 posts)
17. Yep it is gone but the stench remains.
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That may fade a bit with time but will always be there. Hopefully this will also be the beginning of the end of college coach dynasties. Power corrupts and that is what happened to Paterno. Coaches should be limited to two 5 year terms as are many university deans, department heads and presidents anymore.
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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #17)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:08 AM
lunatica (28,953 posts)
20. The highest paid person at UC Berkeley is the football coach
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:09 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) Higher than the Chancellor or any other official. The Athletic Department gets many times more alumni and corporate donations than any other department on campus. I learned that when I was taking a training session for how to accept and process donations to the University and to the department I work in.
I work in UC Berkeley in Administration. |
Response to lunatica (Reply #20)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:31 AM
yellowcanine (24,478 posts)
22. That is true in many universities. In addition to ending coaching dynasties I believe the NCAA
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should set coaching salary caps as well. They cap scholarships so why can't they cap coaching salaries?
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Response to lunatica (Reply #20)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:34 AM
Iggy (1,418 posts)
25. right.. see my post downstream
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college sports has attained wayyyy to high a position/priority in this whole mess
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Response to Iggy (Reply #25)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:20 PM
roguevalley (32,830 posts)
39. we need to stop pretending and make college ball minor league
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Pro ball divorced fromcollege.
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Response to lunatica (Reply #20)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:43 AM
RKP5637 (25,787 posts)
29. We have twisted priorities and hero worship in this country, well, as in many IMO. n/t
Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #14)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:33 AM
yellowcanine (24,478 posts)
24. "So ends the cult of JoePa." Not that easy unfortunately.
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:38 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) The cult will not be ended until the football program is shut down and restructured, imo. Starting with coaching term limits and having coaches strictly adhering to the same rules other faculty members adhere to in terms of reporting, outside contracts, etc.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:36 AM
Trillo (7,242 posts)
18. Less expensive to put an inexpensive sign up that says, Our Now Infamous Sex Offender.
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Soon, if someone in casual conversation asks the school folks what happened to Joe Paterno, those employees can say, "Who? Never heard of him." If it's a student asking the question, it can be followed with, "Now, let's move on to history lessons."
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:12 AM
dkhbrit (49 posts)
21. And still they protest
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Apparently according to some alumni, it's still just rumor and hearsay. How can they be so lblind to this. Shut them down.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:32 AM
Iggy (1,418 posts)
23. This is GOOD News
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I really didn't think Penn St would follow thru and do the right thing.
watch the enablers/sports is God crowd howl their lame protest now. this is totally the fault of JoePa and upper management at Penn St. they were callous, stupid enough to allow long range criminal activity to continue, ON the premises of a major state university. this is astonishingly immoral. now the NCAA must come in and suspend Penn Sts football program for at least three years to send a strong message to the remaining "sports is God" crowd. college sports has assumed a wayyy too prominent position at universities, with coaches getting lucrative multi million dollar contracts yes, this stinks for the football players.. sorry, sometimes life is rough.. and Penn st is not the only Big Ten team out there |
Response to Iggy (Reply #23)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:41 AM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
27. NCAA is making an announcement tomorrow about Penn State
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #27)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:00 AM
Iggy (1,418 posts)
31. Good, thanks for info
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the NCAA better be announcing at least a three year suspension.
anything less sends the wrong message to other large $$ college football programs. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:42 AM
Atypical Liberal (5,412 posts)
28. Good. Football should not trump enabling pedophiles.
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:02 AM
dynasaw (971 posts)
32. Next, Remove the President of Penn State
Response to dynasaw (Reply #32)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:42 AM
may3rd (593 posts)
33. The alumni intere$t$ will shrink for $ure...
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but that won't be talked about for another two years .
I wonder how high the tuition will spike in the fall of 2014 |
Response to dynasaw (Reply #32)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:56 AM
MadrasT (5,794 posts)
34. ????
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They already did that.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:59 AM
riderinthestorm (13,266 posts)
35. Good. Its the right thing to do. Shows the world that the university understands
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how wrong it is to continue to idolize Joe Paterno in light of the investigations.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:38 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
38. Overdue. n/t
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:15 PM
zorro1 (26 posts)
40. Man loses legacy...good!
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It really takes a lot for a legend to fall from sports fan graces. OJ Simpson is one, the other is Joe Paterno. Killing your ex in a fit of rage is wrong, very wrong; covering up the rape of young boys is horrendous. May his soul never know the peace of eternal rest, may his family carry the weight of the fathers sins forever. May they all die with shame and humiliation for the name Paterno now will forever be synonymous with child molestation cover up.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:30 PM
GReedDiamond (1,704 posts)
41. This would make for a great ebay item...
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...I wonder if Penn State has ebay/paypal accounts?
If I won it, after my bid of 666 USD, I'd put it out on my front lawn to keep all of y'all off my fuckin lawn. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:35 PM
boppers (16,588 posts)
42. And yet, their "sport" of groping remains.
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Let me know when that stops.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 04:12 AM
On the Road (20,361 posts)
43. Well, This is a Change
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I heard the original plans were not so much to remove it as turn it around so it would look the other way.,
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