Trump blows up at Germany over vast sums of money owed to NATO in series of tweets
Source: RawStory
TOM BOGGIONI
18 MAR 2017 AT 09:36 ET
As is his custom on Saturday mornings when he is vacationing at his Mar-a-Lago resort, President Donald Trump jumped on Twitter to complain about something this time taking shots at both the media and Germany.
Following a meeting and press conference with Chancellor Angela Merkel where Trump refused to shake hands with the German leader and she gave him a dismissive glance when he brought up surveillance of both of them Trump felt the need to set the record straight in typical Trump fashion on Twitter.
Despite what you have heard from the FAKE NEWS, I had a GREAT meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Trump began in his first tweet before getting to his latest complaint.
Nevertheless, Germany owes vast sums of money to NATO & the United States must be paid more for the powerful, and very expensive, defense it provides to Germany! he continued.
You can read the tweets below:
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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/trump-blows-up-at-germany-over-vast-sums-of-money-owed-to-nato-in-series-of-tweets/
Laurian
(2,593 posts)It's never going to stop!
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:02 AM - Edit history (1)
homo sapiens role on it) will come to an end in nuclear Armageddon triggered by a 140-character tweet.cilla4progress
(24,717 posts)Emphasis on perverse, given the many innocents that will go down with it.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)millions a statistic." ~Stalin
Nay
(12,051 posts)I'll take what I can get. I say that only because we are going off the cliff environmentally anyway, and I want my sweet relatives and friends not to suffer too long.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)a bunch of rich pricks are also biting the dust.
Nay
(12,051 posts)J_William_Ryan
(1,748 posts)the ignorance and stupidity of those who voted for him.
paleotn
(17,876 posts)...the rubes finally elected someone just as dumb as they are.
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 19, 2017, 03:10 PM - Edit history (1)
Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)First, the Irish PM seems to know more about American values than Trump, then the White House manages to insult two of our strongest allies - the U.K. And Germany, and then Rex tries to start World War III on the Korean Peninsula.
What this executive branch doesn't know about diplomacy is going to get us screwed by the EU if it doesn't accidentally start a war first.
cilla4progress
(24,717 posts)Where in Idaho? I'm in E. Washington. Rock red here.
Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)Coeur d Alene here.
cilla4progress
(24,717 posts)Do you have a community there? We have indivisible groups coming out the ying yang! 2000 in the women's march. Wenatchee.
Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)Indivisible group here - small but active. Also attendance at Democratic Party functions has really jumped. Let's keep it going!
cilla4progress
(24,717 posts)So beautiful there. 👍
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)or else what? What will you do? You lying POS? Let me guess. No more frankfurters on the grill at Mar-A-Lago? No more German beer on tap at the bar?
NBachers
(17,080 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)with sour cabbage and baby poop mustard.
madaboutharry
(40,184 posts)To believe that this man will ever be anyone other than what he has shown us is to engage in magical thinking.
Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)No new tricks.
machoneman
(3,996 posts)is seriously thinking of quitting as S.O.S. right about now?
I do..................
Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)Maybe...
JudyM
(29,187 posts)displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)Can't you just hear Donald Dumbass and Tweedle Tillerson discussing the SOS and presidency jobs? They thought this would be like their biz jobs: steal someone else's ideas and assign implementation to your minions.
Truly heavy sigh.
JudyM
(29,187 posts)OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)to us or the US. He is working for Exxon and its shareholders.
CincyDem
(6,335 posts)Rex has the job Rick Perry thought he got when asked to be Secretary of Energy.
Remember, Perry sheepishly admitted he through the job was to run around the world and lobby for energy companies.
Sorry Rick, that job went to Rex.
DK504
(3,847 posts)He's supposed to be seeing us out of wars, not threatening nuclear powers with bat shit dictators.
Rhiannon12866
(204,695 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Trump has shown exactly what he is, and he has not and will not be changed.
roscoeroscoe
(1,369 posts)And throws the US out, rebuilds their own military.
Win! Jeez what a maroon.
Qutzupalotl
(14,285 posts)Which is who Trump ultimately serves.
DK504
(3,847 posts)Merkel was horrified by that joke of a display that such a malignant tumor has parked his fat ass in the WH. His assault on every ally we have shows his ignorance will sabotage out relationships with allies for years to come. tRump's willingness to jump into bed with horrifying dictator could lead us into an actual shooting war. Or he could ally himself with someone like Assad and Putin.
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)It shouldn't take long to get to that point either, on the present course.
Germany could just say it's costing them too much to continue hosting US military bases.
Or they could hold a referendum on it - if he keeps his act going, a referendum to boot out US bases should pass.
The thing is, that would go a long way toward bringing down NATO. Merkel doesn't want to bring down NATO.
I wonder if the US pays rent or anything for the bases? Maybe those charges could be increased.
SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)I am sure Putin loved those tweets.
Javaman
(62,500 posts)Grandfather was kicked out of Germany because he went AWOL. The orange menace is that stupid and bizarrely vengeful like that.
turbinetree
(24,683 posts)on air force one and spending another 3 million for this weekend of golf, doing whatever you do down there, here is a snap shot of what NATO has done and you think they haven't spent enough----------------------FU
http://icasualties.org/oef/Nationality.aspx?hndQry=Germany
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52060.htm
sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)agreements.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)is our military a bunch of mercenaries?
I want this boorish bastard GONE along with the entire cabal of people not acting for the benefit of Americans!
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)sueh
(1,824 posts)Rhiannon12866
(204,695 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Not a day goes by without an incendiary statement.
I'm exhausted.
Rhiannon12866
(204,695 posts)We used to talk about Bush* & company using "distractions" when they did something objectionable. But everything that this one does is so OTT that it's hard to keep track because there's a new one every day! I went to the dentist on Thursday and spent less than 10 minutes in the waiting room. I checked out DU on my phone and in that time I must have seen and recced a dozen threads on the latest Trump scandals! How does he do it?! Is this some bizarre experiment to see how much we can take?? Everytime you think it can't be worse, he manages to top himself. I know we said similar things about Bush*, but this isn't even in the same universe...
Squinch
(50,904 posts)who is more powerful than he, and who runs circles around him in the way she wields her power, can he?
I imagine that a lot of his voters are exactly the same.
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)What if they asked us to close all our military bases there and to stop using their launching and other resources?
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)Merkel is sane and rational. She knows that a strong NATO alliance is the best deterrent to Russian threats, or any other threats on her eastern flank. Booting out the US hurts the US, true, but it potentially hurts Europe too, if it encourages Russian aggression.
dalton99a
(81,391 posts)Freethinker65
(9,998 posts)Ilsa
(61,690 posts)I wonder if he calls Chancellor Merkel at 2am to try to collect and make Germany pay for our military expansion?
Tanuki
(14,914 posts)so now he's diverting attention by claiming it's actually the Germans who "owe" something. His daughter/fantasy "date" Ivanka and her mother-in-law Seryl are also deeply on the hook to Deutsche Bank.
FakeNoose
(32,565 posts)I'm sure Uncle Vladdy hasn't.
cilla4progress
(24,717 posts)as trump is?
sarge43
(28,940 posts)Asshat.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Has to try to take her down a peg--but not to her face, of course!
jalan48
(13,840 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)Maybe he should stay president. He's been at this now for years. We finally know the pattern. He's vile, offensive, fantastically stupid, narcissist, liar, and more. Even if they're not turning against him, some republicans are beginning to tire of it and call him out, in their oh so snow-flaky republican way. Maybe I'm a tad more hopeful than I've been but I don't think he's going to accomplish much. He torpedos his own programs. Pence, on the other hand, is a politician. Granted, he's still vile, and his policies are offensive and insulting beyond belief, but he's a pol, and he might be able to get stuff done - the stuff 45 wants but can't do.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)for Republican policies.
Republicans have always wanted to get rid of "obamacare" and deport millions using the private 'for profit' detention camp Corporation system.
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)Jesus.
GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)mdbl
(4,973 posts)What an idiot.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Putin must be proud - best rubles he ever spent.
The end of this charade has to be drawing nearer.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)You should really use your experts for advice, learn to listen to them if you can. That's what Obama told you he always does.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)Russia spends about $ 50 billion.
Ergo, Europe does not need the US for defense.
And Germany does not owe the US shit.
(The US, BTW, spends about $ 1.2 TRILLION on (in)security)
The militarists, war mongers and merchants of death always
want more, and always use fear in the most cynical of ways -
like Trump, making shit up daily.
Veterans For Peace
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)In fact, in my high school history class, I (and most of us) fell for that argument prior to the first Arab-Israeli war that we saw coming in the newspaper. The history teacher brought in newspapers showing lists of how much military equipment the Arabs had -- loads of fighter planes and everything else, loads of soldiers, loads of money -- comparing against how much Israel had -- very little compared to the rich Arab countries on the other side. From that data, it looked like a slam-dunk for the Arabs. A few days later we saw that our expectations did not match what happened.
A lot more besides money goes into winning a military conflict.
Look at the Viet Nam war, for that matter.
The fact is that having the US in NATO makes Europe stronger against potential Russian aggression. In fact, just the presence of the US as part of the alliance has some deterrent effect.
Merkel is no dummy. She is tolerating il Trompé and his wally ideas because she knows Europe is more secure with the US staying in NATO.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)not just the Drumph, always demanding more of it for the military?
Do the US militarists EVER demand more money for Europe's education,
care of the elderly?
Answer: no, they do not. not ever.
Ever been to Europe? Ever seen the German Army in action?
I'm telling you, they are good - whup the US in the tank games
just about all the time . .
https://www.stripes.com/news/germany-wins-big-at-2016-strong-europe-tank-challenge-1.409391#.WM60__nyuM8
Exaggerating the Russian threat must be just about the second oldest profession.
Read Cockbern's "The Threat" published in 1985.
The militarists and war mongers make me gag (ever since I "served" in Vietnam)
Which is why I joined Veterans For Peace
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)AllaN01Bear
(17,958 posts)how much is this costing the tax payer every weekend he goes down to that resort.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Vinca
(50,236 posts)Mc Mike
(9,111 posts)He's getting the entire anti nazi anti Putin world to set aside their differences, so they can deal with the biggest problem facing everyone -- an unstable, super dangerous, and evil rogue state being run by dRumpf and the repugs.
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)briv1016
(1,570 posts)Even though this is apparently now "his custom on Saturday mornings," this is not normal.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts).99center
(1,237 posts)Trump runs off to tweet about the "vast sums of money" he thinks Germany owes us after a meeting with Merkel... Why didn't the coward bring it up in the joint news conference yesterday? No one in the WH has any answers regarding Trumps internet bullying, and Melania did say it would be her priority to crack down on internet trolls, it's time for the press to hold Melania accountable on the one issue she pretended to give a shit about.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Not sure Trump is going about it right though.
Long but worth reading:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Sure, it's true that other members are not fulfilling the 2% GDP goal. According to this article in the Economist, it looks like only Britain, Greece, Poland, and Estonia are meeting, or exceeding, that goal. And yes, calling on nations to meet their goals is a good thing, but the U.S. has no grounds to bitch to NATO about the vast sums we shovel into the military money pit. We aren't doing that to meet NATO goals.
More in post below:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1731913
pat_k
(9,313 posts)It is absurd to complain that our portion of the combined total defense budgets of NATO member nations is too high. We could meet our obligation and cut our portion by simply reducing our budget to the the 2% GDP goal.
I just don't get it.
From Politifact:
For 2016, NATOs total military budget is about $2 billion...
Each member contributes an agreed upon percentage of the shared budget. The United States leads the pack, paying 22 percent, as Samp said. This year, that comes to about $460 million. (Germany comes in second, paying about 15 percent.)
The total military spending goals for NATO members is 2% of GDP. For us, meeting that goal requires military budget of 320 billion. We spend almost twice that (and would spend more than twice that with DT's increase).
When he threatens to pull out of NATO, what does he mean? Does it mean we stop contributing $460 million (our 22% of the 2 billion NATO budget)? Or does it mean we'll suddenly say "we're going to start spending less than 2% of GDP on defense too"? Somehow, I don't think that's what he means. It would mean cutting our military spending in half. We are meeting (and far exceeding) spending goals "on our own." And DT is actually trying to increase, not decrease, that spending.
It is true that other members are not fulfilling the 2% GDP goal. According to this article in the Economist, it looks like only Britain, Greece, Poland, and Estonia are meeting, or exceeding, that goal. And yes, calling on nations to meet their goals is a good thing, but the U.S. has no grounds to bitch to NATO about the vast sums we shovel into the military money pit.
Denzil_DC
(7,219 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)I poked around, but am finding it difficult to find information that would provide a clear answer.
Many reports discuss percentage cuts in personnel, or in contracts, or in number of contractors in the workforce, but don't report on totals from which the various types of cuts were to be made. There also seems to be a distinction between dollars allocated to contracts awarded, and dollars allocated to service contractors in the civilian and military "workforces."
From the various bits and pieces, it looks to me like money allocated to projects awarded by contract and "workforce" contractors is probably something like 50% of the total budget.
Here are some sources I came across as a poked around. (More than you bargained for I'm sure, but I figured I'd include in case you were interested)
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Here's a report on the 2016 budget
http://dcmo.defense.gov/Portals/47/Documents/Publications/Annual%20Performance%20Plan/FY2016_Performance_Budget.pdf
Looks like about
180 billion for military personnel pay and benefits
70 billion civilian pay and benefits
$250 billion total in compensation
In the notes, construction costs and other things are included that don't really seem to qualify as "compensation," but, whatever. It's also unclear whether this includes civilian and military contractors.
Tables in Appendix A of the report break down the entire budget ($585 billion) by "component," but these tables provide little help in determining how much is allocated to projects awarded to contractors v. projects "insourced," or civilian/military contractors v. civilian employees/military service personnel
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2015 Report
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R44010.pdf
$283 billion in inflation-adjusted FY2017 dollars) than all other federal government agencies
combined. DODs contract obligations were equal to 7% of all mandatory and discretionary
federal spending. Services accounted for 44% of total DOD contract obligations, goods for 47%,
and research and development (R&D) for 9%. This distribution is in contrast to the rest of the
federal government, which obligated a larger portion of contracting dollars on services (53%),
than on goods (38%) and research and development (9%) combined.
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2013 report that contractors accounted for 22% of the Defense Department's workforce, but 50% of the workforce budget:
http://www.allgov.com/news/where-is-the-money-going/contractors-account-for-22-percent-of-defense-dept-workforce-but-50-percent-of-workforce-cost?news=850315
Unfortunately, the article does not attach a dollar amount to the "workforce budget," so it's not very helpful.
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Nice graph on contracting in federal government on page 8 of the following.
http://www.ncmahq.org/docs/default-source/default-document-library/pdfs/exec15---ncma-annual-review-of-government-contracting-2015-edition
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2015 report on contractors in the workforce:
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2015/10/08/pentagon-needs-to-cut-shadow-contractor-work-force
The Pentagon's most recent reports on the subject on service contractors have also been inconsistent. Figures for 2012 indicate that the Pentagon employed more than 670,000 service contractors at a cost of $129 billion that year. The tally for fiscal year 2014 is roughly 30,000 fewer contract employees at a cost of $131 billion. In other words, according to the Pentagon's latest estimates, as the number of contract employees went down significantly, the cost of hiring them actually increased.
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2011 report that "Over the past decade, federal spending on service contracts more than doubled in constant terms,
from $164 billion in 2000 to $343 billion in 2010"
https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/legacy_files/files/publication/110517_Berteau_DoDWorkforceCost_Web.pdf
on contractors and expand its use of federal civilians to provide services.....
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Gates abandoned the initiative about a year later according to this article:
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2010/09/01/gates-abandons-insourcing-initiative/
Denzil_DC
(7,219 posts)I feel kinda guilty that my one-liner prompted all that work, but it's impressive.
The point I was trying to make was that the money spent by the US's NATO partners doesn't just disappear - a proportion of it goes to US firms.
I don't have precise figures (too late in the day here), but I know for a fact that large amounts of UK defense expenditure (not least on our nuclear weapons program) go to US contractors. (The UK in turn does quite well out of selling defense materiel and services to the US, so what goes around comes around, to a certain extent.)
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Don't feel guilty. I've been trying to get a better handle on where defense dollars go for awhile. It's all well and good to say "we should cut defense," but without some sort of a handle on where the money is going (and where there may be some consensus on cutting), I feel a little like a Republican making a blanket call for "smaller government."
So, your question (which I misunderstood) prompted me to delve into something I'm already interested in. Your point -- that some portion of the defense expenditures of other NATO members benefits U.S. contractors -- is one I hadn't considered. It's a point that needs to be taken into account.
elias7
(3,991 posts)Reminds me of every a$$hole who actually gets pleasure in pissing people off.
RainCaster
(10,822 posts)Because those mean old Mexican people wouldn't pay for it like he said they would.