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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:53 AM Mar 2017

Trump blows up at Germany over vast sums of money owed to NATO in series of tweets

Source: RawStory



TOM BOGGIONI
18 MAR 2017 AT 09:36 ET

As is his custom on Saturday mornings when he is vacationing at his Mar-a-Lago resort, President Donald Trump jumped on Twitter to complain about something — this time taking shots at both the media and Germany.

Following a meeting and press conference with Chancellor Angela Merkel — where Trump refused to shake hands with the German leader and she gave him a dismissive glance when he brought up surveillance of both of them — Trump felt the need to set the record straight in typical Trump fashion on Twitter.

“Despite what you have heard from the FAKE NEWS, I had a GREAT meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel,” Trump began in his first tweet before getting to his latest complaint.

“Nevertheless, Germany owes vast sums of money to NATO & the United States must be paid more for the powerful, and very expensive, defense it provides to Germany!” he continued.

You can read the tweets below:







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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/trump-blows-up-at-germany-over-vast-sums-of-money-owed-to-nato-in-series-of-tweets/
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Trump blows up at Germany over vast sums of money owed to NATO in series of tweets (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2017 OP
Oh, brother.. Laurian Mar 2017 #1
I take a certain perverse satisfaction in the idea that the world (or KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #21
I hear you cilla4progress Mar 2017 #33
"The death of one person is a tragedy. the deaths of KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #34
Me, too. I kinda wanted the giant meteor (cuz if it was big enough, it'd be quicker), but Nay Mar 2017 #84
If I have to go, my passing will be made all the sweeter knowing that KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #85
Agreed! nt Nay Mar 2017 #86
Trump perfectly represents J_William_Ryan Mar 2017 #2
Exactly.... paleotn Mar 2017 #24
Dare I say it... dumber. Charles Bukowski Mar 2017 #79
Meanwhile we go 0/4 in diplomacy this week. Blue Idaho Mar 2017 #3
Very well said. cilla4progress Mar 2017 #35
Awesome! Blue Idaho Mar 2017 #42
So you feel me! cilla4progress Mar 2017 #44
I feel ya... Blue Idaho Mar 2017 #62
Yes! cilla4progress Mar 2017 #63
Meanwhile Putin and his useful idiots on the left and right are laughing their asses off Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #65
or else what? vlyons Mar 2017 #4
They're not frankfurters! They're freedomfurters! NBachers Mar 2017 #52
Trumpdogs Generic Other Mar 2017 #56
There will be no epiphanies, no life changing revelations... madaboutharry Mar 2017 #5
Old Dog Blue Idaho Mar 2017 #6
Wanna bet Tillerson.... machoneman Mar 2017 #7
Well, if he can stay awake long enough... Blue Idaho Mar 2017 #8
It's already exhausting him, and he has no solutions. Not the cushy job he's grown accustomed to. JudyM Mar 2017 #11
If a woman can do that job, it must be easy!!! displacedtexan Mar 2017 #48
Right. And twice. These boys are out of their league. JudyM Mar 2017 #55
Don't kid yourself. Tillerson has no allegiance OldHippieChick Mar 2017 #13
Bingo. CincyDem Mar 2017 #29
Or understanding of his role. DK504 Mar 2017 #31
He's always shown us what he is. When will we finally believe it? Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #19
Thank you. You have spoken the essential bottom line. kwassa Mar 2017 #73
Suppose Germany says, 'ok' roscoeroscoe Mar 2017 #9
That would be fine by Putin. Qutzupalotl Mar 2017 #27
Once again he humiliates the US. DK504 Mar 2017 #40
Germany throwing the US out? Yeah that was my thought too. ColemanMaskell Mar 2017 #77
Shitler simply cannot constrain his ignorant, jackass, pro-Putin impulses. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #10
Infantile tRumps slight at not shaking her hand, I believe goes back to when his grifting Javaman Mar 2017 #12
Hey sexual predator, while you were gallivanting down to Mar A Lago spending $203,000 a hour turbinetree Mar 2017 #14
Says the pig who has no idea of NATO financial/military sinkingfeeling Mar 2017 #15
Since When SCVDem Mar 2017 #16
what a hoot coming from a guy who routined screwed suppliers, vendors, contractors out of money beachbum bob Mar 2017 #17
Exactly right, beachbum bob! I wish I could recommend your post 1000 times! sueh Mar 2017 #60
He seems to have a natural talent for making everything worse. Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #18
How DOES he do it? Cracklin Charlie Mar 2017 #23
That's it exactly! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #83
She really gave him a lot of existential shrinkage, didn't she? He really can't handle a woman Squinch Mar 2017 #20
What exactly would happen if Germany paid what is owed and then asked the US military to leave? nikibatts Mar 2017 #22
nikibatts, the problem is it might start a slide toward the end of NATO, which Germany doesn't want ColemanMaskell Mar 2017 #78
He's on track to win another Putin's Employee of the Year award dalton99a Mar 2017 #25
can't they just keep him on the golf course and out of trouble for one day? Freethinker65 Mar 2017 #26
Another Harassing DEBT COLLECTOR! Ilsa Mar 2017 #28
Funny. Trump personally owes hundreds of millions to Deutsche Bank, Tanuki Mar 2017 #30
Don't forget the $$$ he owes the Russians FakeNoose Mar 2017 #59
Did Hitler or mussollini sack the national treasury cilla4progress Mar 2017 #32
Aw, poor widdle snow flake. A woman hurts his feelings. sarge43 Mar 2017 #36
Guess Trump didn't get to grab Angela Merkels' _______ N/T left-of-center2012 Mar 2017 #37
Just can't take a strong woman! ginnyinWI Mar 2017 #38
Looks like the net is tightening around Trump. More and more distraction. jalan48 Mar 2017 #39
You know matt819 Mar 2017 #41
no, Republicans did the same thing the entire campaign. They know he lies, Hes a great distraction Sunlei Mar 2017 #54
Is he freebasing meth every Friday night in Mar-A-Lago? bullwinkle428 Mar 2017 #43
The class just oozes. GeorgeGist Mar 2017 #45
Could he be any more incoherent? mdbl Mar 2017 #46
Disparaging Merkel, Germany and NATO in one tweet. yallerdawg Mar 2017 #47
Ask Obama Mr. Trump. Last 3 years ALL the NATO group worked on their plans, its done. Sunlei Mar 2017 #49
NATO (excluding the US) spends about $ 220 billion per year on the military . . FairWinds Mar 2017 #50
FairWinds, I'm not sure spending money equates directly to proportional military prowess . . . ColemanMaskell Mar 2017 #80
If money does not matter, then why is the US, FairWinds Mar 2017 #87
FairWinds, agreed money is a factor; it's just not the only factor; just sayin' ColemanMaskell Mar 2017 #88
i wish wed quit carrying the commander in tweets tweets AllaN01Bear Mar 2017 #51
+ gazillion! Cryptoad Mar 2017 #57
On the plus side, at least he didn't call Angela Merkel a pig. Vinca Mar 2017 #53
On a positive note, he's really functioning as a uniter. Mc Mike Mar 2017 #58
well spoken, Mc Mike ColemanMaskell Mar 2017 #81
Never forget that this is not normal. briv1016 Mar 2017 #61
I wonder if he has any idea why the usa has bases in Germany uppityperson Mar 2017 #64
lol Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #66
What a coward! .99center Mar 2017 #67
obama complained about this too hollowdweller Mar 2017 #68
We could cut our portion tomorrow by reducing to NATO member goal of 2% of GDP. pat_k Mar 2017 #70
NATO goal for member miliary spending is 2% of GDP. We spend 4%... but we do that "on our own" pat_k Mar 2017 #69
What proportion of that spending goes to US contractors? n/t Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #72
Good question pat_k Mar 2017 #74
Wow! Well done with the research. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #75
An important point. pat_k Mar 2017 #82
Trump is the king of Trolls elias7 Mar 2017 #71
SCROTUS is fund raising for his Big Beautiful Wall RainCaster Mar 2017 #76
 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
21. I take a certain perverse satisfaction in the idea that the world (or
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:31 AM
Mar 2017

Last edited Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:02 AM - Edit history (1)

homo sapiens role on it) will come to an end in nuclear Armageddon triggered by a 140-character tweet.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
84. Me, too. I kinda wanted the giant meteor (cuz if it was big enough, it'd be quicker), but
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 11:00 AM
Mar 2017

I'll take what I can get. I say that only because we are going off the cliff environmentally anyway, and I want my sweet relatives and friends not to suffer too long.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
85. If I have to go, my passing will be made all the sweeter knowing that
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 11:02 AM
Mar 2017

a bunch of rich pricks are also biting the dust.

Blue Idaho

(5,036 posts)
3. Meanwhile we go 0/4 in diplomacy this week.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:03 AM
Mar 2017

First, the Irish PM seems to know more about American values than Trump, then the White House manages to insult two of our strongest allies - the U.K. And Germany, and then Rex tries to start World War III on the Korean Peninsula.

What this executive branch doesn't know about diplomacy is going to get us screwed by the EU if it doesn't accidentally start a war first.

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
44. So you feel me!
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:40 AM
Mar 2017

Do you have a community there? We have indivisible groups coming out the ying yang! 2000 in the women's march. Wenatchee.

Blue Idaho

(5,036 posts)
62. I feel ya...
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 01:45 PM
Mar 2017

Indivisible group here - small but active. Also attendance at Democratic Party functions has really jumped. Let's keep it going!

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
4. or else what?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:03 AM
Mar 2017

or else what? What will you do? You lying POS? Let me guess. No more frankfurters on the grill at Mar-A-Lago? No more German beer on tap at the bar?

madaboutharry

(40,184 posts)
5. There will be no epiphanies, no life changing revelations...
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:03 AM
Mar 2017

To believe that this man will ever be anyone other than what he has shown us is to engage in magical thinking.

machoneman

(3,996 posts)
7. Wanna bet Tillerson....
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:09 AM
Mar 2017

is seriously thinking of quitting as S.O.S. right about now?

I do..................

JudyM

(29,187 posts)
11. It's already exhausting him, and he has no solutions. Not the cushy job he's grown accustomed to.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:14 AM
Mar 2017

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
48. If a woman can do that job, it must be easy!!!
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:01 PM
Mar 2017

Can't you just hear Donald Dumbass and Tweedle Tillerson discussing the SOS and presidency jobs? They thought this would be like their biz jobs: steal someone else's ideas and assign implementation to your minions.

Truly heavy sigh.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
13. Don't kid yourself. Tillerson has no allegiance
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:15 AM
Mar 2017

to us or the US. He is working for Exxon and its shareholders.

CincyDem

(6,335 posts)
29. Bingo.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:51 AM
Mar 2017


Rex has the job Rick Perry thought he got when asked to be Secretary of Energy.

Remember, Perry sheepishly admitted he through the job was to run around the world and lobby for energy companies.

Sorry Rick, that job went to Rex.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
31. Or understanding of his role.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:57 AM
Mar 2017

He's supposed to be seeing us out of wars, not threatening nuclear powers with bat shit dictators.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
73. Thank you. You have spoken the essential bottom line.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 07:54 PM
Mar 2017

Trump has shown exactly what he is, and he has not and will not be changed.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
40. Once again he humiliates the US.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:05 AM
Mar 2017

Merkel was horrified by that joke of a display that such a malignant tumor has parked his fat ass in the WH. His assault on every ally we have shows his ignorance will sabotage out relationships with allies for years to come. tRump's willingness to jump into bed with horrifying dictator could lead us into an actual shooting war. Or he could ally himself with someone like Assad and Putin.

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
77. Germany throwing the US out? Yeah that was my thought too.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:58 PM
Mar 2017

It shouldn't take long to get to that point either, on the present course.

Germany could just say it's costing them too much to continue hosting US military bases.

Or they could hold a referendum on it - if he keeps his act going, a referendum to boot out US bases should pass.

The thing is, that would go a long way toward bringing down NATO. Merkel doesn't want to bring down NATO.

I wonder if the US pays rent or anything for the bases? Maybe those charges could be increased.

SunSeeker

(51,508 posts)
10. Shitler simply cannot constrain his ignorant, jackass, pro-Putin impulses.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:14 AM
Mar 2017

I am sure Putin loved those tweets.

Javaman

(62,500 posts)
12. Infantile tRumps slight at not shaking her hand, I believe goes back to when his grifting
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:14 AM
Mar 2017

Grandfather was kicked out of Germany because he went AWOL. The orange menace is that stupid and bizarrely vengeful like that.

turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
14. Hey sexual predator, while you were gallivanting down to Mar A Lago spending $203,000 a hour
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:21 AM
Mar 2017

on air force one and spending another 3 million for this weekend of golf, doing whatever you do down there, here is a snap shot of what NATO has done and you think they haven't spent enough----------------------FU

http://icasualties.org/oef/Nationality.aspx?hndQry=Germany



http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52060.htm

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
16. Since When
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:27 AM
Mar 2017

is our military a bunch of mercenaries?

I want this boorish bastard GONE along with the entire cabal of people not acting for the benefit of Americans!

Rhiannon12866

(204,695 posts)
83. That's it exactly!
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:46 AM
Mar 2017

We used to talk about Bush* & company using "distractions" when they did something objectionable. But everything that this one does is so OTT that it's hard to keep track because there's a new one every day! I went to the dentist on Thursday and spent less than 10 minutes in the waiting room. I checked out DU on my phone and in that time I must have seen and recced a dozen threads on the latest Trump scandals! How does he do it?! Is this some bizarre experiment to see how much we can take?? Everytime you think it can't be worse, he manages to top himself. I know we said similar things about Bush*, but this isn't even in the same universe...

Squinch

(50,904 posts)
20. She really gave him a lot of existential shrinkage, didn't she? He really can't handle a woman
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:30 AM
Mar 2017

who is more powerful than he, and who runs circles around him in the way she wields her power, can he?

I imagine that a lot of his voters are exactly the same.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
22. What exactly would happen if Germany paid what is owed and then asked the US military to leave?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:32 AM
Mar 2017

What if they asked us to close all our military bases there and to stop using their launching and other resources?

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
78. nikibatts, the problem is it might start a slide toward the end of NATO, which Germany doesn't want
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:31 PM
Mar 2017

Merkel is sane and rational. She knows that a strong NATO alliance is the best deterrent to Russian threats, or any other threats on her eastern flank. Booting out the US hurts the US, true, but it potentially hurts Europe too, if it encourages Russian aggression.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
28. Another Harassing DEBT COLLECTOR!
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:50 AM
Mar 2017

I wonder if he calls Chancellor Merkel at 2am to try to collect and make Germany pay for our military expansion?

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
30. Funny. Trump personally owes hundreds of millions to Deutsche Bank,
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:56 AM
Mar 2017

so now he's diverting attention by claiming it's actually the Germans who "owe" something. His daughter/fantasy "date" Ivanka and her mother-in-law Seryl are also deeply on the hook to Deutsche Bank.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
41. You know
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:08 AM
Mar 2017

Maybe he should stay president. He's been at this now for years. We finally know the pattern. He's vile, offensive, fantastically stupid, narcissist, liar, and more. Even if they're not turning against him, some republicans are beginning to tire of it and call him out, in their oh so snow-flaky republican way. Maybe I'm a tad more hopeful than I've been but I don't think he's going to accomplish much. He torpedos his own programs. Pence, on the other hand, is a politician. Granted, he's still vile, and his policies are offensive and insulting beyond belief, but he's a pol, and he might be able to get stuff done - the stuff 45 wants but can't do.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
54. no, Republicans did the same thing the entire campaign. They know he lies, Hes a great distraction
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:13 PM
Mar 2017

for Republican policies.

Republicans have always wanted to get rid of "obamacare" and deport millions using the private 'for profit' detention camp Corporation system.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
47. Disparaging Merkel, Germany and NATO in one tweet.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:00 PM
Mar 2017

Putin must be proud - best rubles he ever spent.

The end of this charade has to be drawing nearer.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
49. Ask Obama Mr. Trump. Last 3 years ALL the NATO group worked on their plans, its done.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:03 PM
Mar 2017

You should really use your experts for advice, learn to listen to them if you can. That's what Obama told you he always does.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
50. NATO (excluding the US) spends about $ 220 billion per year on the military . .
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:04 PM
Mar 2017

Russia spends about $ 50 billion.

Ergo, Europe does not need the US for defense.

And Germany does not owe the US shit.

(The US, BTW, spends about $ 1.2 TRILLION on (in)security)

The militarists, war mongers and merchants of death always
want more, and always use fear in the most cynical of ways -
like Trump, making shit up daily.

Veterans For Peace

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
80. FairWinds, I'm not sure spending money equates directly to proportional military prowess . . .
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:54 PM
Mar 2017

In fact, in my high school history class, I (and most of us) fell for that argument prior to the first Arab-Israeli war that we saw coming in the newspaper. The history teacher brought in newspapers showing lists of how much military equipment the Arabs had -- loads of fighter planes and everything else, loads of soldiers, loads of money -- comparing against how much Israel had -- very little compared to the rich Arab countries on the other side. From that data, it looked like a slam-dunk for the Arabs. A few days later we saw that our expectations did not match what happened.

A lot more besides money goes into winning a military conflict.

Look at the Viet Nam war, for that matter.

The fact is that having the US in NATO makes Europe stronger against potential Russian aggression. In fact, just the presence of the US as part of the alliance has some deterrent effect.

Merkel is no dummy. She is tolerating il Trompé and his wally ideas because she knows Europe is more secure with the US staying in NATO.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
87. If money does not matter, then why is the US,
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:47 PM
Mar 2017

not just the Drumph, always demanding more of it for the military?

Do the US militarists EVER demand more money for Europe's education,
care of the elderly?

Answer: no, they do not. not ever.

Ever been to Europe? Ever seen the German Army in action?
I'm telling you, they are good - whup the US in the tank games
just about all the time . .

https://www.stripes.com/news/germany-wins-big-at-2016-strong-europe-tank-challenge-1.409391#.WM60__nyuM8

Exaggerating the Russian threat must be just about the second oldest profession.
Read Cockbern's "The Threat" published in 1985.

The militarists and war mongers make me gag (ever since I "served" in Vietnam)

Which is why I joined Veterans For Peace

AllaN01Bear

(17,958 posts)
51. i wish wed quit carrying the commander in tweets tweets
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:06 PM
Mar 2017

how much is this costing the tax payer every weekend he goes down to that resort.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
58. On a positive note, he's really functioning as a uniter.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:35 PM
Mar 2017

He's getting the entire anti nazi anti Putin world to set aside their differences, so they can deal with the biggest problem facing everyone -- an unstable, super dangerous, and evil rogue state being run by dRumpf and the repugs.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
61. Never forget that this is not normal.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 01:29 PM
Mar 2017

Even though this is apparently now "his custom on Saturday mornings," this is not normal.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
67. What a coward!
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:50 PM
Mar 2017

Trump runs off to tweet about the "vast sums of money" he thinks Germany owes us after a meeting with Merkel... Why didn't the coward bring it up in the joint news conference yesterday? No one in the WH has any answers regarding Trumps internet bullying, and Melania did say it would be her priority to crack down on internet trolls, it's time for the press to hold Melania accountable on the one issue she pretended to give a shit about.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
70. We could cut our portion tomorrow by reducing to NATO member goal of 2% of GDP.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:00 PM
Mar 2017

Sure, it's true that other members are not fulfilling the 2% GDP goal. According to this article in the Economist, it looks like only Britain, Greece, Poland, and Estonia are meeting, or exceeding, that goal. And yes, calling on nations to meet their goals is a good thing, but the U.S. has no grounds to bitch to NATO about the vast sums we shovel into the military money pit. We aren't doing that to meet NATO goals.

More in post below:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1731913



pat_k

(9,313 posts)
69. NATO goal for member miliary spending is 2% of GDP. We spend 4%... but we do that "on our own"
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:54 PM
Mar 2017

It is absurd to complain that our portion of the combined total defense budgets of NATO member nations is too high. We could meet our obligation and cut our portion by simply reducing our budget to the the 2% GDP goal.

I just don't get it.



From Politifact:

There is a difference between what nations contribute to NATO and what they spend on their own defense.

For 2016, NATO’s total military budget is about $2 billion...

Each member contributes an agreed upon percentage of the shared budget. The United States leads the pack, paying 22 percent, as Samp said. This year, that comes to about $460 million. (Germany comes in second, paying about 15 percent.)


The total military spending goals for NATO members is 2% of GDP. For us, meeting that goal requires military budget of 320 billion. We spend almost twice that (and would spend more than twice that with DT's increase).

When he threatens to pull out of NATO, what does he mean? Does it mean we stop contributing $460 million (our 22% of the 2 billion NATO budget)? Or does it mean we'll suddenly say "we're going to start spending less than 2% of GDP on defense too"? Somehow, I don't think that's what he means. It would mean cutting our military spending in half. We are meeting (and far exceeding) spending goals "on our own." And DT is actually trying to increase, not decrease, that spending.

It is true that other members are not fulfilling the 2% GDP goal. According to this article in the Economist, it looks like only Britain, Greece, Poland, and Estonia are meeting, or exceeding, that goal. And yes, calling on nations to meet their goals is a good thing, but the U.S. has no grounds to bitch to NATO about the vast sums we shovel into the military money pit.


pat_k

(9,313 posts)
74. Good question
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:49 PM
Mar 2017

I poked around, but am finding it difficult to find information that would provide a clear answer.

Many reports discuss percentage cuts in personnel, or in contracts, or in number of contractors in the workforce, but don't report on totals from which the various types of cuts were to be made. There also seems to be a distinction between dollars allocated to contracts awarded, and dollars allocated to service contractors in the civilian and military "workforces."

From the various bits and pieces, it looks to me like money allocated to projects awarded by contract and "workforce" contractors is probably something like 50% of the total budget.

Here are some sources I came across as a poked around. (More than you bargained for I'm sure, but I figured I'd include in case you were interested)

==============================================
Here's a report on the 2016 budget
http://dcmo.defense.gov/Portals/47/Documents/Publications/Annual%20Performance%20Plan/FY2016_Performance_Budget.pdf

Looks like about
180 billion for military personnel pay and benefits
70 billion civilian pay and benefits

$250 billion total in compensation

In the notes, construction costs and other things are included that don't really seem to qualify as "compensation," but, whatever. It's also unclear whether this includes civilian and military contractors.

Tables in Appendix A of the report break down the entire budget ($585 billion) by "component," but these tables provide little help in determining how much is allocated to projects awarded to contractors v. projects "insourced," or civilian/military contractors v. civilian employees/military service personnel

==============================================
2015 Report
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R44010.pdf

In FY2015, DOD obligated more money on federal contracts ($274 billion in current dollars, or
$283 billion in inflation-adjusted FY2017 dollars) than all other federal government agencies
combined. DOD’s contract obligations were equal to 7% of all mandatory and discretionary
federal spending. Services accounted for 44% of total DOD contract obligations, goods for 47%,
and research and development (R&D) for 9%. This distribution is in contrast to the rest of the
federal government, which obligated a larger portion of contracting dollars on services (53%),
than on goods (38%) and research and development (9%) combined.


==============================================
2013 report that contractors accounted for 22% of the Defense Department's workforce, but 50% of the workforce budget:

http://www.allgov.com/news/where-is-the-money-going/contractors-account-for-22-percent-of-defense-dept-workforce-but-50-percent-of-workforce-cost?news=850315

Unfortunately, the article does not attach a dollar amount to the "workforce budget," so it's not very helpful.

=============================================
Nice graph on contracting in federal government on page 8 of the following.

http://www.ncmahq.org/docs/default-source/default-document-library/pdfs/exec15---ncma-annual-review-of-government-contracting-2015-edition

==============================================
2015 report on contractors in the workforce:

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2015/10/08/pentagon-needs-to-cut-shadow-contractor-work-force

According to the Pentagon's most recent report to Congress, its service contractor work force stands at over 641,000 people, employed by 41 different components within the department. Private contractors perform a wide range of tasks for the Pentagon, from maintaining equipment to providing security at bases to gathering and analyzing intelligence.

The Pentagon's most recent reports on the subject on service contractors have also been inconsistent. Figures for 2012 indicate that the Pentagon employed more than 670,000 service contractors at a cost of $129 billion that year. The tally for fiscal year 2014 is roughly 30,000 fewer contract employees at a cost of $131 billion. In other words, according to the Pentagon's latest estimates, as the number of contract employees went down significantly, the cost of hiring them actually increased.

==============================================
2011 report that "Over the past decade, federal spending on service contracts more than doubled in constant terms,
from $164 billion in 2000 to $343 billion in 2010"

https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/legacy_files/files/publication/110517_Berteau_DoDWorkforceCost_Web.pdf

On April 6, 2009, Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates announced a plan to reduce DoD’s reliance
on contractors and expand its use of federal civilians to provide services.....

==============================================
Gates abandoned the initiative about a year later according to this article:

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2010/09/01/gates-abandons-insourcing-initiative/

Denzil_DC

(7,219 posts)
75. Wow! Well done with the research.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:51 PM
Mar 2017

I feel kinda guilty that my one-liner prompted all that work, but it's impressive.

The point I was trying to make was that the money spent by the US's NATO partners doesn't just disappear - a proportion of it goes to US firms.

I don't have precise figures (too late in the day here), but I know for a fact that large amounts of UK defense expenditure (not least on our nuclear weapons program) go to US contractors. (The UK in turn does quite well out of selling defense materiel and services to the US, so what goes around comes around, to a certain extent.)

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
82. An important point.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:08 AM
Mar 2017

Don't feel guilty. I've been trying to get a better handle on where defense dollars go for awhile. It's all well and good to say "we should cut defense," but without some sort of a handle on where the money is going (and where there may be some consensus on cutting), I feel a little like a Republican making a blanket call for "smaller government."

So, your question (which I misunderstood) prompted me to delve into something I'm already interested in. Your point -- that some portion of the defense expenditures of other NATO members benefits U.S. contractors -- is one I hadn't considered. It's a point that needs to be taken into account.

elias7

(3,991 posts)
71. Trump is the king of Trolls
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 05:34 PM
Mar 2017

Reminds me of every a$$hole who actually gets pleasure in pissing people off.

RainCaster

(10,822 posts)
76. SCROTUS is fund raising for his Big Beautiful Wall
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:56 PM
Mar 2017

Because those mean old Mexican people wouldn't pay for it like he said they would.

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