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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:46 PM Mar 2017

'You're in deep sh*t': Lawmaker alerts Trump if phones were 'tapped' a judge found 'probable cause..

Source: RawStory

Youre in deep sh*t: Lawmaker alerts Trump if phones were tapped a judge found probable cause of crime

TOM BOGGIONI
04 MAR 2017 AT 11:34 ET

A California Congressman took to Twitter on Saturday morning to warn President Donald Trump that if he is correct that his Trump Tower phones were tapped he is in deep sh*t.

Early Saturday morning, Trump set the political world ablaze by accusing former President Barack Obama of having [link:http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/trump-goes-on-twitter-rant-accusing-ex-president-obama-of-tapping-phones-at-trump-tower-prior-to-election/his phones tapped] prior to the 2016 election.

-snip-

Although Trump provided no information that he may have been monitored, Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) stated that the president may want to lawyer up.









Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/youre-in-deep-sht-lawmaker-alerts-trump-if-phones-were-tapped-a-judge-found-probable-cause-of-crime/
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'You're in deep sh*t': Lawmaker alerts Trump if phones were 'tapped' a judge found 'probable cause.. (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2017 OP
Let Donnie be Donnie....Proceed Mr. President... Moostache Mar 2017 #1
esp. nice that he has accused the Intell. community again. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #33
If If he tweeted about it aint classified anymore. Volaris Mar 2017 #56
The only mystery remaining is...... lastlib Mar 2017 #43
d) body bag (which I guess would also be on a stretcher.) Putin covers his tracks. briv1016 Mar 2017 #45
Maybe tied to a hand truck, wearing a hockey goalie's mask like Hannibal Lecter. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #51
Agree! To Our experts:STOP helping him escape. (He consumesTV) Give him rope,&let him hang himself! Alice11111 Mar 2017 #55
OK, uhmm, uh, Doreen Mar 2017 #2
This is some of the best news I've heard in many moons bucolic_frolic Mar 2017 #3
I saw that there was a fire there yesterday BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #9
Probably burning evidence. notdarkyet Mar 2017 #27
Different property titaniumsalute Mar 2017 #30
I know but it's still his BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #32
Maybe now we know why Obama has been smiling so much since leaving office. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #4
This needs to fly right to the top of the greatest page. inanna Mar 2017 #5
"president may want to lawyer up." - You mean Michael Cohen? BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #6
Let's hope there's a conference call with the Russians, Pence, McConnell & Ryan. CrispyQ Mar 2017 #7
Oh to dream! Plucketeer Mar 2017 #20
I suspect that McConnell and Ryan are too cautious to be ensnared. Pence, NCjack Mar 2017 #21
Deepshit Donnie C_U_L8R Mar 2017 #8
So once again citing no evidence but Infowars conspiracy theories, Trump blames Obama!? Sad Fred Sanders Mar 2017 #10
So working with the Russians to rig the elections was illegal? Botany Mar 2017 #11
Over in freerepublic land they are delighted. Kablooie Mar 2017 #12
The pictures in their 2naSalit Mar 2017 #13
I want to see the warrant and Trump's evidence of wiretapping Renew Deal Mar 2017 #14
You'll have to contact breitbart for that. Kablooie Mar 2017 #16
No warrant many have been needed or used if the tap was on the kremlin side of the calls. PSPS Mar 2017 #34
Isn't that thanks to the Patriot Act? Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #40
rachel was talking about that. mopinko Mar 2017 #58
Man, are they deluded ailsagirl Mar 2017 #17
I think the freeper lurkers are watching this thread. inanna Mar 2017 #36
Lieu is right and I'm glad he's saying it Renew Deal Mar 2017 #15
Absolutely... CincyDem Mar 2017 #26
Omar! funkybutt Mar 2017 #37
Here's a link to the Washington Post article mentioned in the tweet with macho *****. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2017 #18
As they say True Dough Mar 2017 #19
Obama is living rent-free in Trump's head. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2017 #22
and if it wasn't free, I'd gladly help pay the rent. nt joet67 Mar 2017 #23
I might contribute also. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2017 #24
Feet up on the coffee table, smoking cigars, throwing trash on the floor .. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #41
What the hell do you do in your house? briv1016 Mar 2017 #46
It's my take on a bit from Curb Your Enthusiasm. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #50
lmao Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #53
CNN: Without evidence, Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping him riversedge Mar 2017 #25
+1 dalton99a Mar 2017 #29
The Russian diplomat... Blanks Mar 2017 #28
Ted Lieu is one of the more courageous members of congress. nt oasis Mar 2017 #31
Actually, NSA can wiretap any foreign national. McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #35
LOCK. HIM. UP. Maynar Mar 2017 #38
Thank you, Ted Lieu! Hekate Mar 2017 #39
Good! I hope he is in deep shit and look forward to the fallout Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #42
Might want to lawyer up? That crooked scammer has always had a zillion lawyers around him, Mc Mike Mar 2017 #44
There is a third explanation. zentrum Mar 2017 #47
kick for visibility triron Mar 2017 #48
I hope they found some damning evidence IronLionZion Mar 2017 #49
This needs to be said more frequently!!! Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #52
This is an interesting explanation - link tweeted by Jon Favreau - moonscape Mar 2017 #54
Drumpf the 5-year-old is telling fibs again. Oneironaut Mar 2017 #57

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
1. Let Donnie be Donnie....Proceed Mr. President...
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:50 PM
Mar 2017

Don't help him in any way....even when pointing out that he is admitting guilt is not a good idea.

When you see a friend in a hole, help him to stop digging.
When you see an enemy of humanity in a hole, hand him another shovel!!!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
33. esp. nice that he has accused the Intell. community again.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 04:02 PM
Mar 2017

They are already not happy with his bullshit and lies about them.

If there IS a wiretap, it is classified, so how did he know about it, and why is he publicizing classified info?

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
56. If If he tweeted about it aint classified anymore.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 09:03 AM
Mar 2017

Making it legally subject to a FOIA request.
People are freaking out because if this is true, he's fucked 6 ways from Sunday (and he will take anyone complicit from the Republican Congressional Majorities down with him).

The old Chinese curse is 'may you live in interesting times'. But nobody ever said that didn't have to be fun to watch.

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
43. The only mystery remaining is......
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:38 PM
Mar 2017

...will he be hauled out of the White House a) in handcuffs, b) in a straitjacket, or c) on a stretcher?

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
7. Let's hope there's a conference call with the Russians, Pence, McConnell & Ryan.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 01:23 PM
Mar 2017

If a girl is going to dream, go big.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
20. Oh to dream!
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 02:51 PM
Mar 2017

Striped suits - leg irons shackled to one another. I'd frame a copy and hang it in a prominent spot!

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
21. I suspect that McConnell and Ryan are too cautious to be ensnared. Pence,
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 03:06 PM
Mar 2017

however, is Trump's tool, so he could be.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
11. So working with the Russians to rig the elections was illegal?
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 01:28 PM
Mar 2017

And now it turns out that Sessions intoduced Carter Page to Trump?

Just how deep and wide does this thing go?

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
12. Over in freerepublic land they are delighted.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 01:35 PM
Mar 2017

They are talking about Obama going to jail for tapping the phones.
This is the bigger than watergate moment they've been waiting for.
They Assume he did it illegally all on his own.

I guess FISA is considered to be a criminal organization.

2naSalit

(86,532 posts)
13. The pictures in their
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 02:05 PM
Mar 2017

peabrains include President Obama in a jumpsuit, ball cap and tool belt actually snipping into the "wires" like in a Mission Impossible episode!

mopinko

(70,077 posts)
58. rachel was talking about that.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 09:43 AM
Mar 2017

if a u.s. person for whom they dont have a warrant gets on the phone, they are supposed to hang up. so....

CincyDem

(6,351 posts)
26. Absolutely...
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 03:21 PM
Mar 2017


Think about this from the perspective of the FISA court judges. You're sitting there trying to decide if you're going to tap the phones of someone with a 50/50 chance of becoming the next POTUS.

I don't care who appointed you and how anonymous you are - that's not one where you give the prosecution the "benefit of the doubt".

Reminds me of the phrase, if you try to kill the king, you damn well better succeed.

These guys saw something in those filings that scared the chit of them. Only way FISA approved taps on TT.

IMHO.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
18. Here's a link to the Washington Post article mentioned in the tweet with macho *****.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 02:30 PM
Mar 2017
Trump, citing no evidence, accuses Obama of ‘Nixon/Watergate’ plot to wiretap Trump Tower

By Philip Rucker, Ellen Nakashima and Robert Costa March 4 at 12:56 PM

President Trump on Saturday angrily accused former president Barack Obama of orchestrating a “Nixon/Watergate” plot to tap the phones at his Trump Tower headquarters last fall in the run-up to the election.

Citing no evidence to support his explosive allegation, Trump said in a series of five tweets sent Saturday morning that Obama was “wire tapping” his New York offices before the election in a move he compared to McCarthyism. “Bad (or sick) guy!” he said of his predecessor, adding that the surveillance resulted in “nothing found.”

Trump offered no citations nor did he point to any credible news report to back up his accusation, but he may have been referring to commentary on Breitbart and conservative talk radio suggesting that Obama and his administration used “police state” tactics last fall to monitor the Trump team. The Breitbart story, published Friday, has been circulating among Trump's senior staff, according to a White House official who described it as a useful catalogue of the Obama administration's activities.

Kevin Lewis, a spokesman for Obama, said in a statement early Saturday afternoon: "A cardinal rule of the Obama Administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice. As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false." ... Officials at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice declined to comment.
....

Matt Zapotosky contributed to this report.

Philip Rucker is the White House Bureau Chief for The Washington Post. He previously has covered Congress, the Obama White House, and the 2012 and 2016 presidential campaigns. He joined The Post in 2005 as a local news reporter.
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Ellen Nakashima is a national security reporter for The Washington Post. She focuses on issues relating to intelligence, technology and civil liberties.
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Robert Costa is a national political reporter at The Washington Post.
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True Dough

(17,301 posts)
19. As they say
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 02:31 PM
Mar 2017

Obama is living rent-free in Trump's head. Barack can be out there windsurfing or kite-sailing with a smile on his face while Drumpf is battling paranoia.

Love it.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
41. Feet up on the coffee table, smoking cigars, throwing trash on the floor ..
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:06 PM
Mar 2017

... spray painting the walls, not flushing the toilet, waking around naked.

Just made himself feel right at home.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
25. CNN: Without evidence, Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping him
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 03:17 PM
Mar 2017



http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/04/politics/trump-obama-wiretap-tweet/index.html




Without evidence, Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping him


By Eugene Scott and Shimon Prokupecz, CNN

Updated 1:05 PM ET, Sat March 4, 2017


(CNN)BREAKING NEWS: A spokesperson for former President Barack Obama responded to President Donald Trump's stunning allegations on Saturday that the Obama administration wiretapped him, calling the unverified claim "simply false."



"A cardinal rule of the Obama administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice," Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement. "As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any US citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."




............

Asked about Trump's tweets on Saturday, a former senior US official with direct knowledge of investigations by the Justice Department under the Obama administration denied there was any such investigation of Trump or that his phones were tapped.



"This did not happen. It is false. Wrong," the former official said.



The official said clearly that Obama could not order this. It would have been taken to a judge by investigators, but investigators never did that, the former official said.......................................

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
28. The Russian diplomat...
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 03:29 PM
Mar 2017

Was not filmed coming in the front door of Trump tower when there were cameras all over the place, but there is proof that he was there.

They knew it would be improper for the ambassador to be there, so they snuck him in a back entrance.

It seems like Rachael said something along those lines last night.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
35. Actually, NSA can wiretap any foreign national.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 04:31 PM
Mar 2017

Meaning if a Russian called Trump, the NSA knows about it. But Trump probably does not know that. He is only POTUS.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
44. Might want to lawyer up? That crooked scammer has always had a zillion lawyers around him,
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:55 PM
Mar 2017

for the last 3 decades, at least.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
47. There is a third explanation.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 11:08 PM
Mar 2017

He's not lying. His is phones were tapped. It wasn't Obama, using FISA. It was the Russians, getting dirt on him.

This is most dangerous of all.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
54. This is an interesting explanation - link tweeted by Jon Favreau -
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:52 AM
Mar 2017
https://www.justsecurity.org/38347/tapping-trump/

Excerpt, re probable cause

"[...]Taking all these claims with the appropriate sodium chloride seasoning, what can we infer? First, contrary to what many on social media—and even a few reporters for reputable outlets—have asserted, the issuance of a FISA order does not imply that the FBI established probable cause to believe that any Trump associate was acting as an “agent of a foreign power” or engaged in criminal wrongdoing. That would be necessary only if the court had authorized direct electronic surveillance of a United States person, which (if we credit the BBC report) the FISC apparently declined to do. Assuming the initial applications were indeed for full-blown electronic surveillance orders, then the fact that the FBI supposedly did name the Trump associates at first would suggest they may have thought they had such evidence, but one would expect the FISC to apply particularly exacting scrutiny to an application naming persons associated with an ongoing presidential campaign. An application targeting only foreign corporate entities—especially entities openly controlled or directed by the Russian government—would require no such showing, even if the FBI’s ultimate interest were in communications concerning those U.S. persons. [...]"
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